When Bob Lazar Declared Gravity As a Wave

originally posted by: bluemooone2
a reply to: SkepticOverlord

While this is all true and all that jazz , I personally believe that an in depth linear tracing of his information and line of thought (not that he even thinks he's always right) would cause most rational minds to conclude that he is right on.

Other than being wrong about G waves and element 115?

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: Phage

The key word is "supposedly".

If anyone has any articles or information with definitive proof that debunks Lazar please share, I'm legitimately interested.

Yeah, his understanding of physics is shallow and unclear even for a decent undergraduate. If he had been this super physics genius working for Edward Teller, he would have described things very, very differently and been able to articulate to physicists what was going on in a way that others would recognize had some potential connection with known reality.

There are people posting around here who could confabulate a much better story.

Hell, I'll go for it.

(wavy visual fade effect)

Lob Bizzar: "We were looking to reverse engineer the visitor's propulsion system, but much of it didn't make much sense. In some ways it appeared to be rather low-technology, excluding the avionics & control systems which we believed to be optical computers of extraordinary and impenetrable design & sophistication. There was some high voltage vacuum equipment, magnets, high power EM transistors surrounding some hollow rings. The LANL people at first confused them with tokamaks and thought they had figured out fusion and this was the generator. It took some theoretical developments and experimental successes in the white world (sort of) until it clicked. Firstly, it was Bernard Haisch who proposed a theory of inertia, and hence gravity as a zero-point or back-reaction electromagnetic property. Haisch was deeply involved in the weird side of the Military-Industrial Complex but was a real odd-ball and genius, like a John Von Neumann who took '___'.

It was that Haisch's idea (he did much more work which has stayed classified, regular physicists think he's a crank but he he has some stuff behind his loony), plus the experimental production of Bose-Einstein condensates with lasers in vacuum which lead us to the key breakthrough. (Why is JILA in Colorado so well funded?) Inertia, and hence gravity, is, in effect a 'back-reaction' electromagnetic force from future 'time-reversed' waves from the distant parts of the universe. Sounds freaky but not so much, it's implied in path integral formulation of field theories that Feynman developed with Wheeler, they discarded the 'unphysical' terms, but maybe a bit too early. So, if you make just the right kind of Bose-Einstein condensate in bulk, that's like a giant quantum state which can coherently absorb all that 'back-reaction' EM waves which normally couple to the zero-point motion and make inertia and hence gravity. And that's what it is. Now the trick is to keep these really fragile Bose-Einstein condensate cooled and flying even though you're going through turbulence and all that. If you break vacuum or have it hit the walls it's like an engine flame-out or worse. That's why we need three, plus you can maneuver better that way.

Anyway, we never figured out the visitor's power source. We're still using turbines plus jet fuel, and a few of the big ones have a naval nuke on them. That's why they're so secret---imagine environmental impact report on a flying nuclear reactor with experimental propulsion? They'd sue the bejezzus out of us. "

a reply to: Phage

I think it comes down then to the `gravity B` thing that Lazar talks about. He does claim that it overlaps the 115 atom in a way that can be amplified. If that can be proven to be wrong somehow then I would throw everything else he has said out the window. There is too much about Bob's life that leads me to believe what he says. I would pay money to see you two debate for a few hours Phage.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

I stared your previous post because you were correct , although that does not

prove that Bob is wrong. This is one of the best topics since roswell to me. (cue the X-File music plz.)

a reply to: bluemooone2

If that can be proven to be wrong somehow then I would throw everything else he has said out the window

He has been proven wrong. Gravity is not a wave. But here's an idea. Instead of being proven wrong. Perhaps he could be proven right. Like Einstein has been. Time and time again.

a reply to: bananasam

Gravities A and B he says. Infact, the first missile test launch outside our ionosphere proved to be off considerably as the rocket found less gravity suddenly after punching through the ionosphere. This fact was kept from the world, but you can now read about it. That former Nazi murderer rocket scientist. David Adair met him...what was his name again? Warner von bron or something.
Anyway; without gravity 'repelling' the moon would have fallen to earth by now. I can tell you a few extremely insightful observations I've made in particle physics, including how to use E=Mc2 in another fashion without applying it to the x/y/z plane using 3 stupid electrons.
I have generally unified the fields using this formula with this new perspective. I just don't have the time to go into atomic physics details, but it does explain the parameters of their major interactions. I'll leave the details up to others, since my main objective for discovering such a theory was to solve anti-gravity, which I have used to reverse engineer the most recently used machine for moving 30 ton megalithic stones. This was at Coral Castle/ Rock Gate palace in Homestead Florida by Edward Leedskalnin. It took myself and friends visiting the place, 2 years to reverse engineer this machine, but it is done.

Point of Order dear Sirs, what Medium did said "wave" Propagate through? I never read a satisfactory answer as of yet.

yes it's true, there have been many "sci-fi" stories written that have come true, the list is just too long. The synchronicity is that both of the things Lazar "allegedly" guessed at have been proven in his lifetime.

Is it possible Science advanced faster than he though?

originally posted by: mrmrmikee
a reply to: bananasam

Gravities A and B he says. Infact, the first missile test launch outside our ionosphere proved to be off considerably as the rocket found less gravity suddenly after punching through the ionosphere. This fact was kept from the world, but you can now read about it. That former Nazi murderer rocket scientist. David Adair met him...what was his name again? Warner von bron or something.
Anyway; without gravity 'repelling' the moon would have fallen to earth by now. I can tell you a few extremely insightful observations I've made in particle physics, including how to use E=Mc2 in another fashion without applying it to the x/y/z plane using 3 stupid electrons.
I have generally unified the fields using this formula with this new perspective. I just don't have the time to go into atomic physics details, but it does explain the parameters of their major interactions. I'll leave the details up to others, since my main objective for discovering such a theory was to solve anti-gravity, which I have used to reverse engineer the most recently used machine for moving 30 ton megalithic stones. This was at Coral Castle/ Rock Gate palace in Homestead Florida by Edward Leedskalnin. It took myself and friends visiting the place, 2 years to reverse engineer this machine, but it is done.

And I guess the idea of being the most famous person in the science community/the world, billions of dollars and the untold good an anti grav machine could do for mankind...is so unappealing that you decided to keep it to yourself?

originally posted by: bluemooone2
a reply to: 3danimator2014

I stared your previous post because you were correct , although that does not

prove that Bob is wrong. This is one of the best topics since roswell to me. (cue the X-File music plz.)

It does prove him wrong. Certainly about those two subjects.

a reply to: thedigirati

Point of Order dear Sirs, what Medium did said "wave" Propagate through? I never read a satisfactory answer as of yet.

Through, what is commonly called, the space time continuum. Often shortened to spacetime, it includes gravity.

a reply to: Phage

yeah, that was the unsatisfactory answer I read. can you define/refine that a bit (your definition Phage) I just want to make certain I understand your meaning of spacetime. are you taking 3-d space, multi-string theory dimensions, segmented duration moments?

a reply to: thedigirati
I'm talking the Einsteinian model (which seems to work quite well).

Spacetime is a field which consists of three spatial dimensions and time (often referred to as the fourth dimension). It is a property of matter to distort spacetime and this distortion is what we experience as gravity. A gravity wave is a phenomenon whereby gravitational disturbances, such as might be produced by a collision of black holes, propagates through spacetime, distorting it in a wavelike manner.

Ripples in the totality of reality. The shape of space changes. The rate of time changes. A little, little, little, tiny, tiny bit.

a reply to: Phage

I would love that ! Knowing Bob slightly from his U-tube vids I believe that IF he had the ways and means (and a billion dollar black budget with unlimited resources) he would gladly be building something that would do just that! Ie proving himself right...... (just a thought of course).

I do not believe I have ever seen the Einsteinian model stated as clearly and so perfectly as in your post above and that deserves as many stars as ATS can supply IMO !

see the "time" part is what is difficult for me, how can a non-constant be in a constant, time is relative.


Lazar claimed gravity was a wave just like you are claiming time as a constant, not through lack of understanding but lack of nomenclature, like spacetime.

a reply to: thedigirati

see the "time" part is what is difficult for me, how can a non-constant be in a constant, time is relative.

Yes. Time is not a constant. It depends upon where you are. Just as your movement through space depends upon where you are. The only thing that is universally constant is the speed of light.

Lazar claimed gravity was a wave just like you are claiming time as a constant, not through lack of understanding but lack of nomenclature, like spacetime.

I did not say time is a constant nor would I, time is relative. Gravity does not demonstrate wavelike properties. It does, however, demonstrate properties predicted by Einstein's model.

originally posted by: thedigirati
Point of Order dear Sirs, what Medium did said "wave" Propagate through? I never read a satisfactory answer as of yet.

yes it's true, there have been many "sci-fi" stories written that have come true, the list is just too long. The synchronicity is that both of the things Lazar "allegedly" guessed at have been proven in his lifetime.

Is it possible Science advanced faster than he though?

Going back to my "prophecy" that was meant to be analogous to Lazar's comments when I (half-kiddingly) said that "Element 120 combined with a Higgs Field can be used to create antigravity propulsion", there's a decent chance that both element 120 and the Higgs Field may in fact be discovered in my lifetime.

originally posted by: thedigirati
see the "time" part is what is difficult for me, how can a non-constant be in a constant, time is relative.


Lazar claimed gravity was a wave just like you are claiming time as a constant, not through lack of understanding but lack of nomenclature, like spacetime.

Even if Lazar simply got the nomenclature wrong and meant "gravitational waves" instead of "gravity is a wave", the idea of gravitational waves predates Lazar's comments by 75 years. Even if he got the nomenclature right, it only means he may have read about "gravitational waves" somewhere, NOT that he worked for the government on a secret reverse-engineered alien propulsion system that uses it.

a reply to: Tuomptonite

The government hires janitors too.

Please pardon my ignorance, ATS physicists. I'm but a stupid carpenter, so all this technical talk is way over my head. I can build your dream house from the ground up with my bare hands and the tools in my truck. I cannot explain to you technical things like shear strength, live loads and energy calculations. Thats above my pay grade. I'm just the man who performs the physical work. I'm the man who physically gets things done. I'll leave the abstract calcs and tech stuff to the soft handed pencil pushers who stare at computers all day. Using ATS debunker logic, since I cannot properly explain every technical aspect of my job, im obviously not a carpenter and simply a fraud.
Has it ever occurred to you that Lazar may not have been hired at LANL for his physics expertise? Is it outside the realm of possibility that he was there to think outside the box and be somebody who gets things done, rather than be a know it all nerd? Perhaps his role was more along the lines of a carpenter or artist. Someone who uses imagination and creativity instead of strictly by-the-book science? Not saying lazar is legit necessarily but to disregard him because of getting some tech facts incorrect is narrow minded, in my book. I don't understand why some folks here are so quick to discredit him. I suppose it might be fun to put your intelligence on display and let everyone know how smart you are. Or perhaps there are other motivations. Things that make you go hmm...

a reply to: Tuomptonite

Not saying lazar is legit necessarily but to disregard him because of getting some tech facts incorrect is narrow minded, in my book.

The nature of gravity is not really a "tech fact" when claims such as his are made.

The thing is, this thread is a claim that the measurement of gravity waves somehow validates Lazar's claims. It doesn't.

a reply to: Leonidas
Does the government go to great lengths to deny they employed janitors?