I learned something about Bernie Sanders that changed my mind

a reply to: N3k9Ni

Really great for our country that you are voting for someone solely on their ancestry. Smart.

a reply to: N3k9Ni

I have to say. The more I listen to his forecast and idealism, the more I like him.


Nicely put N3K!!! S&F

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: amicktd

I know someone with 200k in debt because of blood clots in their lungs, so I guess a lot. He was 19 years old, not covered under his parents plan and hadn't quite gotten insurance for himself yet.

Who forced him to go to the hospital?
He chose to go, he can pay however he sees fit.... why didn't he purchase insurance?
If he was taken there against his will, then he can sue someone.

We are getting to the point where making poor life decisions don't have any consequences. What a sad crew of people a society like that will breed.

Obviously you don't know the circumstances, blood clots in your lungs are a life or death situation. This was also before parents could hold you on their insurance until 24. He was working, but didn't have insurance due to just getting out of highschool and was currently in school working part-time.

a reply to: ExNihiloRed

I can't honestly say that I would support any of the candidates based on what they propose to do as President.

a reply to: amicktd

Obviously you don't know the circumstances, blood clots in your lungs are a life or death situation.

Everyone dies. It is keeping everyone alive that puts a strain on healthcare systems.

This was also before parents could hold you on their insurance until 24.

Sounds like someone didn't plan effectively.

He was working, but didn't have insurance due to just getting out of highschool and was currently in school working part-time.

Again, I don't understand how this is everyone else's problem.

a reply to: N3k9Ni

We all have our own reasons for voting for someone. Myself, I wouldn't vote for someone because of their ancestry (or anything on the list earlier in the thread), but your vote is yours and your reasons are your own. The fact that you're voting is a good thing, in my book.

originally posted by: butcherguy
Again, I don't understand how this is everyone else's problem.

Someone else's medical issues aren't my problem. Or yours. BUT, I have compassion for my fellow Earth-dwellers. And secondly, I want to live in a country where the people are happy and healthy. Where we all have access to the basic necessities of life, like food, shelter and healthcare. I don't want to live in a country where children are starving or sick people are left in the street to die. I'm weird that way...

There was a guy here who lived in the woods in a tent. He was a vet and didn't want to live in the VA hospital, so the neighbors around here took it upon themselves to help him get a wheelchair and leave him clothes and food, and sometimes money. His living situation wasn't our problem, but compassion is a miracle...

Now, it would be great if everyone in need had a group of neighbors like us, but there are so many more who need help and support. but people think, "It's not my problem". Since when are we a nation of people who only takes care of our own? This country is wealthy enough to make sure everyone is taken care of, but their priorities are misplaced, IMO.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

BUT, I have compassion for my fellow Earth-dwellers. And secondly, I want to live in a country where the people are happy and healthy. Where we all have access to the basic necessities of life, like food, shelter and healthcare. I don't want to live in a country where children are starving or sick people are left in the street to die. I'm weird that way...

Should everyone else have to pay for the costs of your wishes, as weird as they may or may not be?

And, by the way, there is nothing saying that I don't wish that everyone could live an eternal, pain free life either. I just don't believe that I should force you to be part of making it happen.

a reply to: butcherguy

"Everyone dies. It is keeping everyone alive that puts a strain on healthcare system"

This is baffling. What are nurses, doctors, physical therapists, medicine, hospitals for, the well? You would be surprised how many people already choose death as opposed to medical care. But, pain or disease that does not kill you, that is what medicine is for.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: N3k9Ni

We all have our own reasons for voting for someone. Myself, I wouldn't vote for someone because of their ancestry (or anything on the list earlier in the thread), but your vote is yours and your reasons are your own. The fact that you're voting is a good thing, in my book.

Thank you.

a reply to: N3k9Ni

Being Polish is something I can identify with. How many black people voted for Obama because he is black? How many women would vote for Clinton because she's a woman? I've decided to put my support behind Bernie Sanders because, like me, he is Polish.

That`s a pretty narrow minded thinking. Strife is often born from such thoughts.

a reply to: N3k9Ni

I'm Polish too (among other ethnicities), but that has absolutely nothing to do with my support for Sanders. I wouldn't vote for a guy who lived on the same street as me and shared a matching ethnic mix unless he was the candidate I believed was the best option.

a reply to: dogstar23

This ^^^

The reality is that it is totally fair for someone not to care what we think of their criteria, as long as they do not believe that they are right to use their faulty ones!

a reply to: Op3nM1nd3d

Strife is often born by voting along party lines so I see no real difference.

a reply to: dogstar23

I appreciate what you're saying and I wouldn't expect you to vote otherwise.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: amicktd

Obviously you don't know the circumstances, blood clots in your lungs are a life or death situation.

Everyone dies. It is keeping everyone alive that puts a strain on healthcare systems.

This was also before parents could hold you on their insurance until 24.

Sounds like someone didn't plan effectively.

He was working, but didn't have insurance due to just getting out of highschool and was currently in school working part-time.

Again, I don't understand how this is everyone else's problem.

Fair enough, I guess that's where you and I differ. I care about the my fellow man.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I didn't say that it was the right reason and I'm not expecting anyone else to vote that way. There's no right or wrong reason for a person to support a particular candidate.

a reply to: N3k9Ni

That simply is not true though!

Of course there are right ways and wrong ways to pick a candidate! Good grief!

Starting with the obvious, which would be rigorous research into their political beliefs, their voting history, how well that voting history meshes not only with their stated beliefs, but with your own political and moral compass, there are loads of things a person can do to establish who is the best candidate to represent their interests, and the interests of their nation!

Another thing that is wise to do, if any question remains after a decent bit of research, is to look at which lobbies are prowling at the gates of that candidates campaign office, which are in an elevator on the way to his or her office, and which never bothered to show up.

You observe their debate style, their capacity to communicate, the message itself, and you take an aggregate of all that data, and pick the person who ticks the most postive boxes for you. Coin tosses and superficiality are certainly not the way to go, that much is for damn sure, not if you want anything to change for what you perceive as the better.

I honestly do not understand how it can be that a nation whose people are constantly up in arms about the failings of government to do simple things, like maintain water supplies, provide healthcare, and police the streets in a sensible manner, not to mention other choice examples where government has failed, can possibly consider themselves fit to complain, if they vote according to anything but a sensible and rigorous process of elimination, based on rather obvious methodology and parameters pertaining thereto!

a reply to: N3k9Ni

Strife is often born by voting along party lines so I see no real difference.

This is exactly the point. Why behave in the same manner then? If you want to make a difference, then wake up and act accordingly. If you see Bernie as the most suitable candidate that is capable of turning things around, then by all means, go for it...but if you don`t and will only vote him because he is Polish and because others will vote in the same manner, now that`s insanity.

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: amicktd

Obviously you don't know the circumstances, blood clots in your lungs are a life or death situation.

Everyone dies. It is keeping everyone alive that puts a strain on healthcare systems.

This was also before parents could hold you on their insurance until 24.

Sounds like someone didn't plan effectively.

He was working, but didn't have insurance due to just getting out of highschool and was currently in school working part-time.

Again, I don't understand how this is everyone else's problem.

Fair enough, I guess that's where you and I differ. I care about the my fellow man.

I never said that I don't care about my fellow man.
I just don't believe that it is the government's job to force charity.

a reply to: MOMof3

This is baffling. What are nurses, doctors, physical therapists, medicine, hospitals for, the well?

It is obvious that you are not familiar with the Chinese medical philosophy.
Doctors are supposed to keep you from getting sick.... keep you healthy, in other words.

Citizens pride themselves on the life expectancy in their respective countries. But what is the difference in the end? If you live to age 85 vs 45..... are you better off somehow.
In the end, you are dust, and the length of your short life doesn't change that dust a bit.