Bernie & Hillary Debate Tonight; Let's Do This!

a reply to: Annee

I am definitely not Libertarian - - for me their ideas are "once was".

I couldn't think of a better party to have now when corruption is rampant in DC. Why would you want to grow and give a corrupted govt more power and money?

1. Make corruption issue number 1 and the only issue that should be discussed.

2. shrink gov't .

3. fix corruption and conflict of interest.

4. rebuilt without the conflict of interest or the rampant corruption.

5. Go back to discussing the best party ideals once the corruption is gone including socialism.

a reply to: neo96

Yep you highlighted the stain the west (UK & US) has to bear.....

Funny that it didn't have anything to do with how each nation promotes themselves as the beacon of FREEDOM....

IT was and still is protecting and promoting "resource rapers"... and the quest to fill pockets...

The UK and US charade of promoting freedom and democracy... has a deep dark stain... and the folks are reaping the whirlwind not of the folks making.....

We are hated by those who represent us... we have a chance to change that... and I am happy to see the CHOSEN struggling...

This is really funny.

After the deal Obama made with Iran.

Both Clinton and Sanders are throwing Iran under the bus.

"Count me in as somebody who will not be listening to Henry Kissinger" - Bernie Sanders, Feb 12th 2016.

That's gold, and I agree, he was definitely one of the most destructive SoS the US has had.

a reply to: interupt42

I think discussing my personal politics in this thread would create thread drift.

Back to debate.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
"Count me in as somebody who will not be listening to Henry Kissinger" - Bernie Sanders, Feb 12th 2016.

That's gold, and I agree, he was definitely one of the most destructive SoS the US has had.

That guy is a demonic bloodline pawn.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

im sure bush coming into iraq and leveling an entire city, then not rebuilding it probably didnt help ME relations. a better approach would have been to remove Saddam ala Bin Laden, then worked with the government to rebuild the state.

its too complicated to seeing as Iraq was a regime and not a democracy. far from in in my opinion, still the answer was not blitzkrieg, then try to work with a regime, thats pretty naive. the problem with the middle east is that the default political system is theocracy, which for some reason almost always if not always leads do a dictatorship. good intentions, poorly executed by our so called commander in cheif at the time.

but i agree with you, the only question now that it's all screwed up is, how can we fix it?

Hey everyone Sanders says the US is a beacon for the oppressed etc!

Except if you happen to be rich. He doesn't want your kind here.

Unless your a billionaire Your kind is not welcome either.

Yeah Sanders there is some more hypocrisy.

a reply to: vjr1113

m sure bush coming into iraq and leveling an entire city, then not rebuilding it probably didnt help ME relations.

Yeppers it's 'all' Gw's fault.

originally posted by: Annee
I've never watched either of these two speak. So, they have a clean slate with me.

I am much preferring Clinton. For one thing she says "we will try", "it's something I want" instead of the old hard promise sell "I will do this when I'm president".

I'm aware politicians can promise anything. The reality is -- they are not singularly in charge.

Clinton sounds smarter to me.

But Clinton prefaces everything with "I", while Bernie uses "we". With Hillary it's always about her, Bernie wants to include everyone. Hillary always plays the gender card when convenient. She's just more shrewd and calculating, not smarter. Bernie is truly sincere in what he believes and says.

It's no suprise that Sanders hero is FDR.

FDR was more fascist than Hitler.

Rounded up the Japanese. Took all their possessions. Confiscated Americans gold and silver.

And created that epic failure called social security that is nothing more than a tax for government to raise money to blow.

a reply to: neo96

More ludicrousness.

No one has said it is "all Bush's fault"... Only you have said that!


2 things are guaranteed...
You can't whitewash Bush's involvement in destabilising the ME with a Strawman Argument and you can't paint a turd gold.

a reply to: neo96

i a democrat wanted saddam out, youre missing the point, Dubya should have done a better job at removing a dictator and reforming the govt. not just wrecking everything and hoping a regime would play ball.

the iraq war was in some way inevitable, the execution was horrible, it took the iraq about 12 years and two US presidents to finally get it together, it could have been done better.

Hillary trying to secure the AA vote.... Mandela then Obama...

as Bernie said... that was a low blow....

She didn't pull that in NH... but was quick to pull it when SC is next on the primary map...


She couldn't be more transparent in her calculation...

originally posted by: neo96
So Sanders wants to put 'boots' in the ground in Europe ?

Too funny.

Yeah he seems very fatigued and under the weather... and somehow she seems 20 years younger and has become an ensign on Star Trek.

I normally don't watch debates until its down to those chosen to represent their party in the election itself, these two debating like this many more times seems to be an excruciating endeavor as after seeing the two a couple times has been excruciating already from reiterations; hopefully, the upcoming ones will really start digging deeper harder questions neither may expect.

A 'Who loves Obama More?' contest?

Not sure why either one wants to associate themselve with Obama but Haha that was classic "One of us ran against Obama"

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

So 8 years of CLintons husband lobbing cruise missiles and American foreign policy had nothing to do with it.

Ludicrous is right.

HIllary is for everything!!!

lol

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Yeah he seems very fatigued and under the weather... and somehow she seems 20 years younger and has become an ensign on Star Trek.

I think Sanders is senile, and belongs in a nursing home.

His comment about his memory not being so good cinched it.