Bernie & Hillary Debate Tonight; Let's Do This!

originally posted by: JacKatMtn
Both sides of the aisle are complicit with the size of our FED govt....

To argue one will make it bigger, falls into the trap that has already been set...

It's not left right.... it's what's right and wrong... and what's wrong is the fact that the folks have fallen for the trap....

Let's elect someone who is NOT part of the political elite....

We have a very good chance this time, I hope we don't fail again...

Sanders has been in the political elite for decades as a Senator.

a reply to: vjr1113

So tell me where is the 'freedom' when a person's existences depends on getting a monthly governemnt stipend ?

That isn't freedom.

Coal miners are exclusively white?

Did she just make white people the "victim"?

I would like a candidate to come out and just say screw it, lets audit every facet of government and cut out the fat. Let's streamline this system and cut out the waste.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: neo96

thats necessary government, if you disagree, you are in the minority. all of those programs would create jobs, no question about it.

No they don't, and they are not 'necessary'.

Those programs are created to enslave their voters.

You just said healthcare, infrastructure & education are not necessary...


You are the epitome of ludicrous, Neo.

Healthcare is a corporate product,

Infrastructure are LOCAL and state issues.

Education people want it they can pay for on their own like what millions of Americans for the last two centuries have done before.

Sanders is Clinton are the epitome of LUDICROUS.

a reply to: neo96

if you dont want to pay taxes leave. i heard Afghanistan is nice. thats Bundy logic, i dont want to pay taxes that help society as a whole, then leave.

Why do these two keep talking like their party hasn't been in power for the past seven years?

So tell me Sander is lying ?

Because in 2016 the modern generation is the highest paid ever.

Has more benefits.

Has bigger homes.

Has more 'THINGS' than ANY previous generation of this nation?

Sanders and CLinton just love to snip about what people supposed 'don't' have, and IGNORE what they do have.

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: neo96

if you dont want to pay taxes leave. i heard Afghanistan is nice. thats Bundy logic, i dont want to pay taxes that help society as a whole, then leave.

Well that was 'mature'.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Why do these two keep talking like their party hasn't been in power for the past seven years?

Their party only controlled 1/3rd of the power base in Washington.

OMG now Clinton trying to get the coal country's support.... first I heard of this... from her...

Must be some Dem primaries soon in that area....

Bernie is so focused on education, that he missed the point of the question...

It's not black or white or asian or hispanic or any other folks in the country issue.....

It's an American issue, the folks who make this country run, not those in the political elite who speak words printed for them by those who are elite....

Classic disconnect.... Mission Accomplished fail, Hope & Change fail.... TOo big to fail fail, cash for clunkers fail.... plenty more examples of what's wrong with our country....

Sad to say that the majority of our nation's fails come from those who are supposed to be running it...

rassin frassin.... [ end rant]

originally posted by: introvert
Everyone pay attention.

Recognize how she is more aligned in her ideas with the Right Wing than a true Progressive/Socialist agenda.

People forget/never knew about her past volunteering for Reagans campaign & being a self designated "New Republican". She disgusts me.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Why do these two keep talking like their party hasn't been in power for the past seven years?

Trying to have it both ways.

The current administration, and the last eight years has been AWESOME.

Sanders, and CLinton are standing there telling us ALL how bad it has been.

That's hypocrisy neither one will admit.

a reply to: neo96

healthcare shouldnt be corporate products, or infrastructure or education. there is no reason they cant be federal, unless you dont think these things are important. if these programs become federal, they would be enforced at the federal level like money or taxes, so youll know those programs would get fixed, because as it is, the infrastructure is crap, states cant pay for them, education is crap the states cant pay for colleges, same for healthcare. we want these programs to be federal programs.

Bernie is right.

That program would have allowed employers to exploit immigrant labor unfairly.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: neo96

if you dont want to pay taxes leave. i heard Afghanistan is nice. thats Bundy logic, i dont want to pay taxes that help society as a whole, then leave.

Well that was 'mature'.

about as mature as saying education is coming to enslave us?

a reply to: vjr1113

The purpose of the US government is NOT providing corporate products to the masses.

That is not nor has it ever been it's function.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: neo96

thats necessary government, if you disagree, you are in the minority. all of those programs would create jobs, no question about it.

No they don't, and they are not 'necessary'.

Those programs are created to enslave their voters.

You just said healthcare, infrastructure & education are not necessary...


You are the epitome of ludicrous, Neo.

Healthcare is a corporate product,

Infrastructure are LOCAL and state issues.

Education people want it they can pay for on their own like what millions of Americans for the last two centuries have done before.

Sanders is Clinton are the epitome of LUDICROUS.

Healthcare is a Right if you want a healthy, fit and well lived Nation.
Fact.

Infrastructure is a local issue, but it's also a National issue or Right Wingers wouldn't complain about Obama's varying Jobs creation statistics. Would they?

Education is another Right if you want an intelligent Nation's generations that will one day make the economy thrive and in turn educate the following generation.


If you don't want these things to be Nationalised why is it your side is the one that chants "U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A"..?

If you don't want these things Nationalised why does your side Lord the founders of the UNITED STATES..?

Why does your side call America the Greatest Nation ever if they ant it all localised...?

States Rights are important, don't get me wrong.
But...
Your side needs to think about that, in my opinion.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: vjr1113

The purpose of the US government is NOT providing corporate products to the masses.

That is not nor has it ever been it's function.

"corporate products"
i dont agree with your definitions

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: introvert
Bernie knocked-it out of the park on abortion.

Republicans are all-for big government when it comes to their agenda.

Yep.

The GOP loves the socialist Military Industrial Complex. Big gov't with patriot act and Homeland Security, Big gov't for squashing state rights when it comes to GMO label, .........

And the LEFT loves the WELFARE Industrial Complex.

We already got their bullet points tonite.

Free college,

Trillion in Infrastructure.

And that 'universal' healthcare.

True but so has the GOP , When was the last time that the Republicans significantly shrunk gov't or decreased taxes at a significant impact even when they had full control? The GOP has harsh words when it comes to those things but when it comes to action they are passive.

They have done the exact opposite and have grown govt and debt just like the Democrats .

The DNC and the GOP are the problem in this country because they both work for the Oligopolies and not the people.