Was Jesus the Antichrist?

originally posted by: Maigret
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Hah-ha! Your sarcasm becomes you.

Thank you Maigret; and thank yourself as you are the inspiration for such shenanigans.

a reply to: Ophiuchus 13
Rasalghul has been awarded a 'tilde' accolade.

a reply to: windword

Was that Zachariah Sitchin?

Sorry I couldn't help myself- No but you are correct- Actually all the abrahamic religions are of the Elohim or fallen ones- Fortunately the Holy Spirit can disclose the truth if you want it and humbly ask

originally posted by: superluminal11
a reply to: windword

Was that Zachariah Sitchin? Sorry I couldn't help myself- No but you are correct- Actually all the abrahamic religions are of the Elohim or fallen ones- Fortunately the Holy Spirit can disclose the truth if you want it and humbly ask

Can someone definitively explain what the "Holy Spirit" is (there is that which is part of the RCC triad (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)? Is there another definition from another belief system anyone would share?

a reply to: vethumanbeing


There is one God, YHWH the Father of Yeshua, who is composed of Spirit
, just as human beings are composed of flesh. God uses Earth as His footstool, so you can get an idea from this of the 'size' of God, if I can put it that way. No man can hold any more than just a minute part of this Spirit indwelling within him/her, which is when it is described in the Bible as the Holy Spirit of God.
This portion of the Father does not 'break off' or lose contact with the whole Spirit, just as the atmosphere around us does not lose any part of the whole with each of our breaths.

originally posted by: Maigret
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Maigret: There is one God, YHWH the Father of Yeshua, who is composed of Spirit
, just as human beings are composed of flesh. God uses Earth as His footstool, so you can get an idea from this of the 'size' of God, if I can put it that way. No man can hold any more than just a minute part of this Spirit indwelling within him/her, which is when it is described in the Bible as the Holy Spirit of God.
This portion of the Father does not 'break off' or lose contact with the whole Spirit, just as the atmosphere around us does not lose any part of the whole with each of our breaths.

Some would say YHWH is a demi-god pretending to be the Absolute Oneness. Now this is interesting; how can YHWH claim to be the Absolute as no one has met IT (I think its a radiation problem/and would burn you to smithereens). Jesus was 9 dimensional being (supposedly) and could hold all of these frequencies without exploding/imploding; able to hold more than a minute part of all dimensional spirit form; which describes this being as special or in the very least ODD yet never claimed himself to be God? What is the 'Father' figure you are referring to? There is this. The human is a potential individualized aspect of the Absolute (whatever that is that controls this Universe). It is allowed to gain "personality" and in doing so becomes more individualized. Its a good thing. How do I explain this to my Mother (Ex-Pat RCC) that still questions the Holy Spirit Phenom?

a reply to: vethumanbeing


That which you describe as 'the ABSOLUTE' would seem to be the one I call our Creator or God Almighty. I have met Him, although I've never 'seen' Him; which maybe saved me from the 'radiation' problem and also most probably because He is not visible to the human eye, which is very limited in its vision anyhow.

However many dimensions there are to the Son of God, it is not surprising that he does not claim to be the Father, simply because he is His Son. Nothing odd in that! Obviously he would have more 'dimensions' than other men, simply because he is the only begotten Son/Word of the Creator, and is not of ordinary men, as the rest of us are.

You could try explaining to your Mother that it is the Holy Spirit of the Creator, who is composed fully of Spirit, Who led her away from false religion and is trying to lead her to the truth of Himself. In this reality, this would seem like a very bad thing - to leave your church - but in the spiritual realm, it means being led on / to the right path and although her mind might battle with the idea, her spirit knows. So she should trust in Him!

originally posted by: Maigret
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Maigret: That which you describe as 'the ABSOLUTE' would seem to be the one I call our Creator or God Almighty. I have met Him, although I've never 'seen' Him; which maybe saved me from the 'radiation' problem and also most probably because He is not visible to the human eye, which is very limited in its vision anyhow.

I would call the Absolute a binary information succubus (maybe a man slut) that is not physical (we are getting closer everyday in understanding this entity and its intellegence).

Maigret: However many dimensions there are to the Son of God, it is not surprising that he does not claim to be the Father, simply because he is His Son. Nothing odd in that! Obviously he would have morer 'dimensions' than other men, simply because he is the only begotten Son/Word of the Creator, and is not of ordinary men, as the rest of us are.

Dimensions that have a grasp of a God aspect? They do; but cannot approach it (no one as I know can breach the radiation field (instant obliteration). I am not aware of (that which exists) in the higher dimensions a so called "Son of God" that would mimic the same Jesus personality as was a singular event inserted on earth.

Maigret: You could try explaining to your Mother that it is the Holy Spirit of the Creator, who is composed fully of Spirit, Who led her away from false religion and is trying to lead her to the truth of Himself. In this reality, this would seem like a very bad thing - to leave your church - but in the spiritual realm, it means being led on / to the right path and although her mind might battle with the idea, her spirit knows. So she should trust in Him!

Thank you for that; she is stubborn. This makes total sense (looking at it from her suspicious perspective); I may even convince her there is a grand plan that a creator put into place and she is the progenitor/example of that being WORKING IT.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: superluminal11
a reply to: windword

Was that Zachariah Sitchin? Sorry I couldn't help myself- No but you are correct- Actually all the abrahamic religions are of the Elohim or fallen ones- Fortunately the Holy Spirit can disclose the truth if you want it and humbly ask

Can someone definitively explain what the "Holy Spirit" is (there is that which is part of the RCC triad (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)? Is there another definition from another belief system anyone would share?

I think it's a term made to describe communication between God and Man. A kind of transitional being who can cross into our plains and do all kinds of things. The Greek Hermetic scientists called this state of awareness or illumination, to be in direct contact with the God of the cosmos— as Nous. In Saulian Christendom this state has been anthropomorphed into a being, a ghost, that cannot be blamed, that is perfect in all ways possible.

Saulus was the right bastard. Not only did he manage to make all Christians separate from Judaism by abolishing kosher practice and circumcision, he also made them the laughing stock by having them worship death and human sacrifices, ghosts, heroes, forefathers, idols and everything Judaism would teach you not to. That Christians don't realise this isn't even funny, for if I'd carried any of Sauli sheep whom he lead to the slaughters, had I carried one and only one, anyone, my mantel would be stained and bloody afterwards. Saulus is the False Prophet and the foundation of the Church. The Pope is Saulus reborn. Time to quit building your shameful tower, Christians. If you want to come to Heaven while still alive, become an astronaut or book a plane fare, or borrow a children's book on astronomy. The Earth below our feet is infact in heaven. The Kingdom of God is the awareness of Truth and developing science. You can't learn how to build a plane in Sauli letters. But with a mindset like John and Jesus, you could get anywhere and make anything happen and be a master of miracles. It's called Science, Truth. Reality. The Kingdom of God is Reality and knowing the whereabouts of the Sun and the Moon and seek the sciences, build a borderless Kingdom of Truth.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim
"Noah"; I do not have a problem with this assessment of Paul at all. Within 100 AD years destroyed the potential (IDEA) Christianity could have for future generations to improve upon. He stole/robbed the idea put it in a box and labeled it "this is mine, these are the rules SET and you are not allowed to change them"; power and influence at its best. I rather dislike Paul. Holy Spirit as a communication alternative is reasonable. I would imagine this is the method used to describe how prayers are communicated? Holy spirit is not ones own individualized higher being?

So it would seem that this thread only continues the same thought pattern that would be so pleasing to "the" incoming (anti)christ.

Yahweh as an (evil) son of God and not true God El would make Jesus, or Yeshua, be following Satan, thus being so-called antichrist.

And then there is the false prophet of revelation who lied to us about who is Christ or promoted the antichrist by apparently calling himself God.

So when the (true) antichrist would come and call himself God or Christ to the Jews, will Jews follow him? Sure. Because what did Jesus give to Jews? He caused their scattering around the world, and they lost their land. Then the dark ages and many religious wars followed seemingly thanks to Jesus, right?

But what doesn't fit into this pattern of thinking is that if Jesus was, by his name, as praising Yahweh and not El, and then if antichrist's name would be Immanuel, he would be praising El and not Yahweh (for the moment ignoring the probability that El and Yahweh in parallel to Immanuel and Jesus are titles and names referring to the same two and not four beings). Which God do Jews believe in? Yahweh. But it is only if you equate Yahweh with El (as Jews also do) would you connect Immanuel in Isaiah to being the Messiah for Jews. And maybe the antichrist who would like to be Christ would prove that he is their true Savior by going the older and more cherished (the bull is El?) Immanuel route rather than the Yahweh route that Jesus/Yeshua followed and hence became known as the antichrist?

It seems we, as all religious and political leaders, are collaborating toward something we don't exactly want. But then it is inevitable that we will have antichrist ruling over us, creating peace between Jews and Muslims and building his Third Temple right next to the Dome of the Rock. And if, with the help of technological and scientific enlightening progress, he brings us peace after the dark age and all the wars seemingly caused by Jesus, most of the people of Earth would call him Christ, right? And then we will start removing the memory of the so-called antichrist (JeSHU in Talmud) and destroying the books with his name (Jesus) and his symbol (the cross) and labeling his followers as haters (who go against the "love" of "true" christ), and by installing a world economy with biometric microchips (as they are doing right now for Syrian refugees) to track everyone through the global center, the international city that is Jerusalem, we would be forced to comply, since our commercial ability will depend on whether we obey the "God" who shews himself so in his Temple. And Pope Francis is his prophet.

But it will only be for 7 years. We don't have to abandon our faith. We can simply lie and be shrewd as serpents as Jesus taught us in Matt. 10:16! We don't have to suffer, you know. We also don't need to physically fight and show our hate, only spiritually we must remain pure if we want to stay in faith in true Christ and live forever ever after the great judgment. I am ready to be judged, hehe!

a reply to: awareness10

It's not hell. First, it's Nonexistence. You know, the one called by different names but remains the same: Kant's Noumenon, Buddha's Nirvana, Marx's Communism, and Hitler's Aryanization.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Rasalghul
I said Isaiah was talking about his own time in the first instance (prophecies can have more than one layer of meaning).
The fact that Isaiah was talking about his own time is obvious from the context. Instead of just taking the one verse in isolation, read with care the whole of Isaiah ch7. The thread which I linked will help you understand what is happening.

Then while Matthew is telling the story of Jesus, he recognises similarities in a number of Old Testament passages, including this one, and therefore quotes them as prophecies.

The only problem with that idea is that there was a world leader, a king, with that exact name...and was half Jewish and did come from Egypt. It is one thing for one group to be wrong but not multiple. People just do not wish to recognize now that history itself and its meaning has been corrupted. Politics, first, then healthcare, and now food and farming...it is said that history is written by the victors.

He might have been ...

if you believe in Christ.

originally posted by: MetatronTheAeon
"The fact that Isaiah was talking about his own time is obvious from the context. Instead of just taking the one verse in isolation, read with care the whole of Isaiah ch7."
The only problem with that idea is that there was a world leader, a king, with that exact name...and was half Jewish and did come from Egypt.

Given that the "exact name" in question is "Immanuel", I'm not sure what your're talking about. I'm familiar with large chunks of history, but I don't remember a world leader "from Egypt" with that name. Perhaps you can specify a date.

In any case, I don't see how you've rebutted my idea that the way to understand Isaiah's meaning is to read what he says.
The comment was spoken to his own king Ahaz, to encourage the king in the crisis he was facing. In other words, he was talking about his own time.

Are you Rasalghul again? I've just checked your other posts, and something about your style looks familiar.

I see Judas Iscariot as a clearer pick for Antichrist:

Ju Das CHariots, I flipped forward into H, s thrown to the end of the word. Ju Das, I scari 0 t/Christ.

As if a Freemasonic clue, Judas Iscariot took the bread. He was given the bread, that he took it instigated him to betray Christ to the Romans.

Christ has been compared to the Lamb of God, in reference to Lamb's Bread.

Christ was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, which may mean secure silver. Master Mason, Third Degree, extended from security to full on auditing. The zero the degree marker.

If he was first to the bread, that pride is forward momentum. It would be acceptable not to take the bread, if a disciple didn't desire any.