So rich going to have to accept less or have it taken from them?

a reply to: Indigent

Poor people always complaining on how hard they work and how the lazy one percenters got rich by being corrupt.

So a person working 60 or 70 hours a week should be happy they aren't able to pay their bills? And you don't become one percent without being corrupt that's common knowledge.

Get real people, hard work and big risk still gets you big rewards some times, working for a paycheck 40 hours a week will get you the same paycheck every week

You should work as a snake oil salesman. Not everyone wants to be wealthy they just want to be able to provide for their families and a 40 hour job should pay for that.

originally posted by: Indigent
a reply to: buster2010

You seem to know very little about Communism.

wanna come to live in Venezuela with me?

Just because you live there doesn't mean you know everything about it. The op is talking about socialism and you cry he talking about communism that just shows your lack of knowledge on the subject.

a reply to: buster2010

Not everyone wants to be wealthy they just want to be able to provide for their families and a 40 hour job should pay for that.

The trouble begins with how an individual defines 'wealthy'. A lot of people have a sliding scale which changes with regard to how much money they are making at a given point in their life.

a reply to: buster2010

you don't become one percent without being corrupt that's common knowledge.

Nice propaganda. Elon musk and larry page are the devil i know.

You should work as a snake oil salesman.

And you wont have an trouble in the politburo.

a reply to: buster2010

Just because i have experience first hand does not mean i got a better interpretation than a rich white boy that like to argue socialism?

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Indigent

Poor people always complaining on how hard they work and how the lazy one percenters got rich by being corrupt.

And you don't become one percent without being corrupt that's common knowledge.

Get real people, hard work and big risk still gets you big rewards some times, working for a paycheck 40 hours a week will get you the same paycheck every week

So you admit even Bernie is corrupt?

I really wonder how many of you have really being denied a loan to start a business, or at least actually tried to start a business.

stagnant wages/falling wages are the real issue and these have to do with trade agreements.

us citizens got the bad end of a deal a couple times on trade agreements. a plant leaves and all the jobs that plant supported leave.
Low paying service and retail jobs were never going to replace what was lost.

After 2007 the whole financial system has been in a place it's never been and we still have not seen the end result.

Also quick question how much is fair?
top 1% pay pay 45% of federal income tax
bottom 60% pay 2% of federal income tax

a reply to: buster2010

And you don't become one percent without being corrupt that's common knowledge.

Not true, inheritance is another viable method.

So what happens when we tax (or take) the wealth of the people labeled as rich? What happens when that one-time cash infusion is spent (pissed away)? Who will decide what income or wealth level is too much? Do we start at a billion dollars? As other posters have stated, that will barely put a dent in any deficits nor go anywhere towards the desired equalization.

It's the old give a man a fish vs. teach a man to fish ideology. Taking wealth from the rich is like giving a person a fish. Now paying for job training or school I would fully support, and is teaching a person to fish.

a reply to: peter_kandra

People know how to fish, the problem is they aren't being paid enough for the fishing they do.

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: Xeven

I'm making it just fine and I'm far from wealthy. Maybe people need to learn how to A. Save
B. Do not go into debt C. Quit spending their income on worthless material de·tri·tus.

Still not enough? Get a second job, boost education level, move to a more lucrative area for your craft...

Or, just live off the system, your call.....

Well put RL.

The only caveat is people who suffer from generational poverty (AKA they are born into it, don't have the same opportunities, etc.)

AND, at the SAME time, we don't want to be giving handouts to everyone because that will make them dependent on the system and act just as deadweight.

There needs to be stricter requirements for receiving these types of services, BUT, the government also needs to do a better job at efficiently & effectively delivering those services. There's way too much waste in the process right now.

It's a tough balance to figure out.. I don't have the answers but I do think the current system has everything stacked against those who are in the "generational poverty" category, my heart aches for these people it really does

a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Have you thought about re-locating or returning to college for a better more lucrative craft?

Let's double the bottom 90%s pay!
That will give them twice as much money and will end poverty.
How's that for a solution?

originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: Indigent

Call it what you will...it is happening. Turbo tax tells me I am in top 10%. I have worked hard all my life but I see, I see what is happening to my fellow Americans that are working hard and it cannot stand weather I like it or not.

Perhaps you've heard the saying: work smarter, not harder.

originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: Indigent

Call it what you will...it is happening. Turbo tax tells me I am in top 10%. I have worked hard all my life but I see, I see what is happening to my fellow Americans that are working hard and it cannot stand weather I like it or not.

I'm not sure all Americans share your concerns on the needs of others, try talking about healthcare that works perfectly fine in most countries and they will scream that what they earn is their money, not to be shared with others. That's on ATS and I'm assuming the '1%' don't post on here too often so am guessing it's as much a middle working class view.

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: Open_Minded Skeptic

Have you thought about re-locating or returning to college for a better more lucrative craft?

Of course he has – who hasn't? – but demanding things instead of going to get them is easier.

a reply to: buster2010

Sorry for calling you white that was uncalled for

originally posted by: stosh64

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: Indigent

Poor people always complaining on how hard they work and how the lazy one percenters got rich by being corrupt.

And you don't become one percent without being corrupt that's common knowledge.

Get real people, hard work and big risk still gets you big rewards some times, working for a paycheck 40 hours a week will get you the same paycheck every week

So you admit even Bernie is corrupt?

Anybody that thinks Bernie is part of the one percent is an idiot.

You're forcing too much on this...

If a person is personally making $20,000.00 a year is taxing 20-30% in taxes, why can't someone making 1,000,000.00 a year or more also be paying in at the same tax rate?

Are they special? This isn't some "Communist wealth re-distribution", it's fairness.

I'm talking personal income, not business income. That's separate and needs to be taxed separately.