I am a conservative, but anything is better than a socialist

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We have to keep Sanders out of office. He will destroy what is left of our fragile economy. I understand people like his ideology, but it is nothing but rainbows and smoke that has no place in the real world.

a reply to: russ212

I disagree.

Like it or not, the future of this planet will be a universal system of one world government socialism.

It doesn't mean that you can't have your 50 acre ranch, but it will mean that those with nothing (including brain cells) still get to have basic housing, healthcare, food and higher education.

But rainbows and smoke ARE part of this world.

a reply to: russ212

Well not really. Jobs are going to continue to be more scarce as things become even more automated and advanced robotics move into service. Not sure what the conservative plan is for that. I agree to a point about many aspects of socialism and tend to lean libertarain. But the status quo corporatists have been plenty destructive. I think since Nixon the political structure has been very unfavorable to a free market.

Sanders at least isn't a paid schill. He also has close to zero chance of passing any socialist legislation through Congress so no need to worry. What he could do is bring awareness to the fact that elections should not be privately funded. Billionaires are not inherently bad people but their vote shouldn't count for more. So I'm his 4 years if he can bring about any change in campaign finance or at least talk enough about it to make more people aware he will have done a lot for democracy.

a reply to: russ212

I don't think Sanders as the man is dangerous, but his ideology is.

If given a foothold, it would show that Americans prefer socialism over the abused, corrupt system we have now.

And even though the current system has many flaws, it is still a far better system than socialism.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

I appreciate what you are aying, however, his programs would create new and increase the abuse of the free rider systems that are already destroying our nation.

Thanks for your comment.

Capitalism is all about profits and the U.S is all about Capitalism. What does that tell you? Why is the Dow or the FTSE one of the first things thrust upon us of a morn?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: russ212

I don't think Sanders as the man is dangerous, but his ideology is.

If given a foothold, it would show that Americans prefer socialism over the abused, corrupt system we have now.

And even though the current system has many flaws, it is still a far better system than socialism.

I disagree. It has no emperical evidence to prove that. The system is very broken.

If you believe in democracy and people want socialism so be it. It's your job to convince people there is a better way. You can't stop the masses from wanting what they want.

It's been a slow death and its mostly the conservatives fault for running away from classical liberalism. The few people who believes in actual conservative principles were laughed out of the party.

originally posted by: russ212
a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

I appreciate what you are aying, however, his programs would create new and increase the abuse of the free rider systems that are already destroying our nation.

Thanks for your comment.

I think we need to start looking at this differently.

Instead of thinking of it as people abusing a system and living off of assistance, we should see it for what it really means, survival.

Survival in a world where a lot of us have not woken up yet to the facts that we are not only outsourcing our jobs to lower paid workers, but we are also outsourcing our jobs to robots.

This leaves the main "job" for the masses as working in the Service Industry.

Once the robots replace the Service Industry jobs, and they will soon, then what?

Massive overpopulation in world where no one can be hired to work for less than what a robot can do it for more efficiently.

The world within 50 years will be a much different place with very different life goals.

Who knows? Maybe generations will grow up to make art and think about philosophy and design.

Let's get Bernt!

a reply to: luthier

I agree in that people will initially want socialism because they believe they'll be getting something for nothing.

But I don't think they'll be as enthusiastic when the time comes to pay the tab.

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein

originally posted by: russ212
a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

I appreciate what you are aying, however, his programs would create new and increase the abuse of the free rider systems that are already destroying our nation.

Thanks for your comment.

I think we need to start looking at this differently.

Instead of thinking of it as people abusing a system and living off of assistance, we should see it for what it really means, survival.

Survival in a world where a lot of us have not woken up yet to the facts that we are not only outsourcing our jobs to lower paid workers, but we are also outsourcing our jobs to robots.

This leaves the main "job" for the masses as working in the Service Industry.

Once the robots replace the Service Industry jobs, and they will soon, then what?

Massive overpopulation in world where no one can be hired to work for less than what a robot can do it for more efficiently.

The world within 50 years will be a much different place with very different life goals.

Who knows? Maybe generations will grow up to make art and think about philosophy and design.

Let's get Bernt!

We should have and be pushing for advanced aerospace and space industry jobs. Where are the politicians who see what's going on? Bernie is fine and all bit he certainly only preaches a small part of the directional leadership we need. We need a guy like Musk who has some vision to speak to the public more often.

a reply to: russ212

Let me guess, you voted for Regan and benefited from his "trickle down economics"

a reply to: DBCowboy

We have been printing money off for bail outs and fake interest rates for almost two decades. It's all a scam at this point.

Of coarse it may be too late when you can't drink soda or are told what to do in envasive manners but it seems even conservatives now a days want to control people with moral legislation.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: DBCowboy

We have been printing money off for bail outs and fake interest rates for almost two decades. It's all a scam at this point.

If coarse it may be too late when you can't drink soda or are told what to do in envasive manners but it seems even conservatives now a days want to control people with moral legislation.

Isn't that socialism?

Legislating being "my brothers keeper"?

a reply to: russ212

Your source is from September of last year and here's How Bernie Pays for his Programs

His plans will strengthen the economy and provide millions of jobs... No rainbows and smoke. All solid and analyzed.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Yeah that's what I am saying. They are all socialists of one kind or another. The Bloomberg nannies that want to control portions and such and the conservatives with moral legislation or war on drugs stuff. There is no candidate that isn't interfering in the market. Sanders has some strong anti establishment history. I can respect that more than any one left running. If I knew the Donald was just using the media and wasn't a jack a.. I would include him.


Personally I want an independent centrist who can bring people back together to at least debate in a non fallacious way and have meaningful dialogue but hey when pigs fly.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: russ212

Your source is from September of last year and here's How Bernie Pays for his Programs

His plans will strengthen the economy and provide millions of jobs... No rainbows and smoke. All solid and analyzed.

It's proven alright, proven wrong.

Bernie Sanders’s fiction-filled campaign

if ya'll like socialism, then go live in one of the other countries around with the world that already has it. I'm already struggling to pay for the crap the current pos in office has rammed down our thoats. ya'll can push for it all you want but i don't want anything to do with it.

a reply to: greencmp

Hardly.

How much intervention in the economy was done by conservatives? Did a conservative take us off the gold standard? How about all the moral legislation? Neither party values the core American ideals. I can point to plenty of conservatives who intervene in the market, provide cooperate wellfare, want to tell people how to act, and intervene in international conflicts.

Let's not think just because some one actually lays out his plans rather than stabs you in the back when they get in office the effects on the free market and individual liberty are any different.

a reply to: roaland

If people want to vote for socialism that is their democratic right. Deal with it. I am having to. It just is how it is.

PS how did Bush do with his bailouts, the Iraq war, patriot act etc. It's all of em. The sooner we come back together and change things the better.