Abraham/Sarah = Brahma/Sarasvati

originally posted by: Rasalghul
a reply to: Raggedyman

I don't doubt it because Jews are known for borrowing from other faiths concepts.

Ok so you say

How do we know that this isnt a common story prior to Judaism and Zoroastrianism, a piece of history that both beliefs are using as a heritage
Truly they could be describing the exact same event from two different positions

Sure the Zostys havnt burrowed Jewish concepts

I am asking because I dont know, you sound like you are the expert

If you have a theory back it up

I am not denying you are onto something but so far its pretty baseless and shallow

Who cares about dates??
##Uhmm looks around, looks some more##
Oh thats right, I care about dates, is that good enough or shouldnt I

So far all i have read is that a Jesuit who you happen to believe is infallible has come up with a theory

about a man who never existed

Thanks, I will leave it there

a reply to: Rasalghul

My opinion is Abraham is the father of Hinduism. Brahman is Abraham's God. Hinduism is not a polythistic religion, which is something I believe Ghandi also understood. The lessor god's in Hinduism are anglels/spirits. Both the cow and soma represent the qualities of Christ.

I also believe Melchizedek, who may have also been Noha's son Shem, was the Author of the Zotarian texts. Which fits nicely with what you are saying.

Add - And I believe the Great Pyramid is the unfinished Tower of Babel mentioned in the OT. This would make Noah, who the bible calls a priest, the Author of the Egyptian Religion, where Hours is the Christ.

Which would make Egypt the oldest account of the Christ/Holy Spirit.

I've kind of seen that link in my reading of translations of ancient texts over the years. I just figured it could be true but would have never really mentioned it. Also the name Adam is similar to an ancient supposedly god named Atum/Ammon. Ra is added to the name later on to depict another god.

People in the ancient times supposedly called Jesus Ammon, hense the saying at the end of our prayers, Amen. Ammon was the god who looked after the poor and needy, that is why they labeled Jesus with that name.

a reply to: Isurrender73

Cool. I have heard of Shem being Melchizedeck too, it's what Jews believe. Thanks for contributing.

a reply to: rickymouse
Adamu is also a Sumerian adam. I think it's awesome you thought that on your own, I can't remember where I first discovered it.

a reply to: Raggedyman

You should direct your complaints to someone who cares what you think.

I didn't make this up and it's not crazy, it's fascinating to think Abraham is the father of 4 or 5 faiths not just 3.

I don't know what about that makes you angry.

a reply to: Raggedyman

The Jesuits who figured it out didn't get all angry, their christians, your a Christian, but they are not afraid to learn.

originally posted by: Rasalghul
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Some believe that on his way to Ur of the Chaldeans ( Holy Kauls) who had roots in India as well, he either taught or was Zarathustra/Zoroaster the Persian prophet. This was one influential man!!!

My hope is that I am not the only one aware of this, and that we can discuss this from a non dogmatic approach.

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Thoughts?

It's false religious rhetoric.It is a concept extrapolated from the scriptures to fit a religious agenda nothing more.Abraham did not have a religion nor did he start one.He had ZERO to do with Judaism or any other religion.Judaism,Christianity and Islam would not come into existence for hundred to thousands of years after Abraham.

Yahoshua made it very clear to the Jews (John 8) Abraham "may" have been their genetic patriarch but had ZERO to do with their religion of Judaism.This is all very easily discovered by just reading the scriptures no divine inspiration needed yet the religious (and their detractors) insist Abraham is the father of at least 3 religions when nothing could be further from the facts.Theory's like this are abysmal and meaningless tripe.Abraham was not a religious nutjob not was he the father of any of the nutjob religions.

originally posted by: rickymouse
People in the ancient times supposedly called Jesus Ammon, hense the saying at the end of our prayers, Amen. Ammon was the god who looked after the poor and needy, that is why they labeled Jesus with that name.

Can you post the sauce on that?

a reply to: Rex282

That is quite a claim based on the same amount of evidence both ways.

Youre as wrong or right as I am as a believer

a reply to: Rasalghul

Nothing about it makes me angry, you are welcome to your beliefs, you are entitled to an opinion and a view

What I can't understand is how you can make these claims out of the ether

Why can't I say the opposite to you and Zorastiasts stole the concepts of their beliefs from Judaism
Zorastiasts is just pimped up Judaism

All I asked for was a little more proof than a Jesuit said it was true

If you think about your statement and argument, you will see how silly it is. Effectively, believe me because a Jesuit said it

Now read slowly, I think there maybe some truth in some of what you said, though just saying a Jesuit is proof is just silly
I will treat the premise as silly if that's your evidence

originally posted by: Butterfinger
a reply to: Rex282

That is quite a claim based on the same amount of evidence both ways.

Youre as wrong or right as I am as a believer

You are wrong.It is not my claim at all.It is a fact.There is nothing in the scriptures of the Pentateuch about Abraham having a religion or starting a religion.All of the conjecture about the Judaism,Christianity and Islam being Abrahamic faiths are just that..conjecture with zero facts from the very text it is extrapolated from.

a reply to: RaggedymanI didn't make any claim out of ether. You can say whatever you want, your bias opinions are irrelevant to me.

The similarities are too much to be mere coincidence.

a reply to: RaggedymanI hope you do treat the premise as silly, then I won't have to hear your complaints.

Im not out to prove anything, especially to an indoctrinated Christian.

originally posted by: Rex282
It's false religious rhetoric.It is a concept extrapolated from the scriptures to fit a religious agenda nothing more.Abraham did not have a religion nor did he start one.He had ZERO to do with Judaism or any other religion.Judaism,Christianity and Islam would not come into existence for hundred to thousands of years after Abraham.

Yahoshua made it very clear to the Jews (John 8) Abraham "may" have been their genetic patriarch but had ZERO to do with their religion of Judaism.This is all very easily discovered by just reading the scriptures no divine inspiration needed yet the religious (and their detractors) insist Abraham is the father of at least 3 religions when nothing could be further from the facts.Theory's like this are abysmal and meaningless tripe.Abraham was not a religious nutjob not was he the father of any of the nutjob religions.

Im referring to your claim above that Abraham didnt start any religion.

So far the only texts mentioning Abraham as we refer to here, is in the OT/Pentateuch/quran. Without anything else mentioning the same man and situation that did NOT result in his massive family and servants going forward with a system of belief after he met God and broke bread with him(after 2 angels dispatched to Sodom and Gomorrah)

Your claim that he didn't is not found anywhere besides from the mouths of people who choose not to believe it.

Also, I'd like to request the translation you used to come to the conclusion that Jesus inferred that Abraham is not genetically related to the "Jews" at the time.

Sauce please

a reply to: Butterfinger

Let me be clear on my statement that Abe didnt start any religions.

Christianity and Islam of course he wasnt directly involved, but its his behavior that resulted in banishment of his first son and Hagar. Christianity is simply a result of nearly 2k years of a faith in a God that befriended Abe in order to reveal himself and begin a system of faith for humans to properly petition and praise for the best results!

He did however kick off a new way of life for himself and his extended family, focusing on a higher form.

a reply to: Butterfinger

And don't forget circumcision.

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Butterfinger

And don't forget circumcision.

How could I? Apparently I'm part Jew?

a reply to: Butterfinger

Religion = rituals and faith.

Abraham shared both ritual and faith with his people. Abraham's religion is the One Creator with the ritual of Circumcision.

Whether he started Hinduism is debatable, but I believe he did.

a reply to: Butterfinger

Im referring to your claim above that Abraham didnt start any religion.

Abram/Abraham didn't start a new religion. He followed an already established one.

Genesis 14
And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan.

15 And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus.

16 And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.

17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.

18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the MOST HIGH GOD.

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram OF THE MOST HIGH GOD, possessor of heaven and earth:

20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Abraham always worshiped The Most High God, and same God as the King of Salem, Melchizedek.