Under Sanders, income and jobs would soar, economist says

This is what I find disgusting.

Say a politician says he has a cure for cancer and will distribute it free, if he gets elected.

If he doesn't? Too bad. No one gets it. He would be vilified and hated.

But here we have a politician, who has the solution to millions of jobs and a great economy, but he won't push his plan?
Why?

Is it all lies? And if it isn't, then Washington is deliberately sacrificing the economy and punishing millions of people for the sake of a partisan election.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Not really. For the first two years, Obama had his congress and a veto proof majority. If those two years did not deliver big dividends, they his agenda wasn't going to. Obamacare hasn't delivered has it?

Why can't people just go look at other parts of the world and see how well Socialism has done there. Not well at all. But instead, people listen to a government funded "economist" on a government funded "news site" Socialism doesn't work. If you want to give up 50, 60, 70% of your income to the govt so that they can "give" you anything, go somewhere that already does that. Just remember that when govt is providing everything, that means they control everything. Your life is no longer yours. Apparently there are millions here that now want this. How far we have fallen, how stupid we have become.

a reply to: DBCowboy

The democrats still gots to project that they can still influence such things. Cheep sleazy vote getting for the dreamers. It was even cheep and sleazy that the republicans....."conservatives" talked about the virtues ect while american manufacturing was fleeing the country.......for cheep labor.... while blaming taxes and the liberals.

a reply to: BlubberyConspiracy

Venezuela is in turmoil for far more reasons than that.

Greece has a top heavy state apparatus with too little private market to support it. In other words, they are living the end stages of socialism. They are out of other people's money.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Why do you say he hasn't pushed these plans ever before?

a reply to: awhispersecho

Why can't people read and comprehend the huge differences between Socialism and Democratic Socialism?

a reply to: awhispersecho

If you have to give up 70% of your money to insure the function of government and the economy, then something is seriously broken within the system.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: DBCowboy

Why do you say he hasn't pushed these plans ever before?

Well, I guess if this was such a fool-proof plan, then it's obvious that DC doesn't want a good economy.

Just posting this pic right here. It doesn't take government spending in consideration. Just the tax laws. I got it from the Unbiased America page on Facebook.



NOTE: Methodology can be found here -taxfoundation.org...


SOURCES:
A Comparison of Presidential Tax Plans and Their Economic Effects

The following are all pdf files.

Sanders's Plan:
Clinton's Plan:
Carson's Plan:
Cruz's Plan:
Trump's Plan
Bush's Plan
Rubio's Plan:

a reply to: elitegamer23

After decades of political deceptions, people still think that these clowns running for presidential seat will deliver?

I guess history class is really failing in America classrooms.

I am waiting for one of the clowns to promise me a refund on all the taxes I have paid in my working life to the federal government.

Its not going to happen and neither all the campaign promises going around right now.

a reply to: ketsuko

The current situation in Venezuela is very complex with a long winding road of history of decades leading up to it. Saying look at Venezuela as an example of failed Socialism is extremely simplistic and not the least bit comparative. The only comparisons that can be made to what Bernie proposes are the Scandinavian countries. USSR doesn't compare, Nazi Germany is a hilariously absurd comparison, Cuba doesn't nor any South or Central American nations.

a reply to: Kali74


Crap my socialist/commi professors clear back in the 80s were pointing to Scandinavia...... thats all they had. Now that is the default and extremely simplistic look at things and classic socialist propaganda.

a reply to: Kali74

The Scandinavian countries actually have a more free market economy than we think.

mises.org...

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Metallicus

They are ALL only men with smoke and mirrors, except one of course, and she is Hilary!

Correction, one of them is a man with smoke, mirrors, and a space ferret living on his skull, which will attempt to enslave the world under the banner of its furry brethren.

As much as I like the idea of Trump...your' comment was AWESOME and funny!

a reply to: ketsuko

The outcome suggests otherwise. But it was not democrats who neutered the bill and prevented its original format from passing congress.

However, following the adoption of an individual mandate as a central component of the proposed reforms by Democrats, Republicans began to oppose the mandate and threatened to filibuster any bills that contained it.[57] Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell, who led the Republican congressional strategy in responding to the bill, calculated that Republicans should not support the bill, and worked to keep party discipline and prevent defections:[88]

It was absolutely critical that everybody be together because if the proponents of the bill were able to say it was bipartisan, it tended to convey to the public that this is O.K., they must have figured it out.[89]

Republican Senators, including those who had supported previous bills with a similar mandate, began to describe the mandate as "unconstitutional". Journalist Ezra Klein wrote in The New Yorker that "the end result was ... a policy that once enjoyed broad support within the Republican Party suddenly faced unified opposition."[60] Reporter Michael Cooper of The New York Times wrote that: "It can be difficult to remember now, given the ferocity with which many Republicans assail it as an attack on freedom, but the provision in President Obama's healthcare law requiring all Americans to buy health insurance has its roots in conservative thinking."[59][66]

I am sure I am not the only one who remembers reading and hearing about the debate and the frenzied propagandism that was flying about at the time, against the bill. It appears Wikipedia, from whom the above quoted passage comes, also recalls the situation correctly.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: TheBandit795

Exactly.

a reply to: Logarock

Sure... nothing is what we say it is, it's all lies and propaganda that we're either too stupid to realize we're doing it or we're evil bastards trying to trick you.

*Yawn*

a reply to: Kali74

Kali74...just a closing thought before I abandon this thread. Either you don't seem to understand or believe the facts of economics in the USA or you have chosen to ignore them. While there are businesses that aren't as fair as maybe they should be, they are following the law. Don't blame a person or business for what they do if they are legally allowed to do so. Change the law. For the record, big bad Walmart around here just gave everyone a raise. My wife (in security) went from $12 to $15 per hour which is nice pay for that type of job in this area of Pennsylvania. Where else can you get a 25% raise for just being there?

Businesses make this country great and contribute hugely to the economy, roads, etc. If you erased all the businesses...what would be left? My belief is that you don't want fair and that you simply hate big business based upon your statements and position. But sometimes you have to consider the damage you do by killing something off. By destroying businesses you may satisfy your distaste for them...but you also destroy the economy and make things worse.

Sanders understands this but still preaches his views. But these are only words and opinion. He would never actually execute them as President because he would end up hung from a tree and then drawn and quartered. The only ones who actually wish to destroy America are ISIS, Radical Muslims and a handful of other countries...mostly socialist/communist. If that is the crowd with which you wish to associate and if those are your goals also...go ahead and vote for Sanders. But don't try to argue that it is a good idea. The truth is obvious.

Peace.

Read the article. Didn't see and real breakdown of the financials, just an opinion piece about how an economist thinks Bernie Sanders would pull of some financial hail Mary miracle, which would outpace the Reagan-Clinton tag team growth, or the post FDR figures.

Did I miss something?