Terrorist Sympathizer Obama Has DHS Delete Terrorist's Records!

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You imply that Barack Obama, personally, knows and approves of the individual actions of every department, every agent, every day within the entire Executive Branch. Ironic is not the word I would choose to describe such a belief or statement: absurd is far more descriptive.

You're offering an unsubstantiated claim by an unnamed "Border Agent" ... at least Haney had a name.

You told us you were going to offer proof that Barack Obama directly ordered DHS to eradicate Mr. Haney's data, etc.

The above doesn't even come close to offering evidence in the matter at hand, although, you desperately wish to glom together anything you claim under "whistle-blower" status.

You've alluded to issues with the immigration situation in this country, and I would agree with you that there is much that needs addressing on that front. However, immigration, illegal or otherwise, does not address Mr. Haney's baseless assertions about DHS or CBP or NTC-P standards of investigation regarding terrorism or terrorists.

This is nothing more than a lot of red herring and muddy water here, Electric. Very disappointing and not at all what you promised.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: stevieray

Magnitude and reach of islamic terrorism can't be compared to anyone else's today. Add in the official, embedded goals of sharia, caliphate, jihad, taqqiyah........makes it worse.

Inquisition, Crusades, Salem Witch Trials, some schmucks in Africa or Westboro.....not very timely or good excuses for the jihad.

I think there is confusion between causation and correlation.

Having closely followed the rise of Islamic Extremists over the past twenty years I think one thing becomes clear..

Islam does not create terrorists...Dictators, oppression, poverty, hopelessness, violence and bombs do.

If Islam did not exist, but rather that region of the world believed in the Spaghetti Monster, we would be combating Spaghettic Extremists right now.

lol, yes, terrorists are mostly being created by the dictators of islam (AKA ayatollahs, imams, mufti), poverty of islam (rampant illiteracy that the leaders love to maintain), the oppression of islamic secret police and various thugs, the violence of sunni vs shia vs sufi vs Christian vs kurd, etc.

Christians, Jews, Hindi, Sikh, Buddhists, Mormons....don't have one-millionth the violence of islam.

Their holy books are imbued with the directive of conquest, killing, subjugation, and tactical lying. Most other holy books decry these things.

Yeah, there's a problem with islam.

a reply to: stevieray



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originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: stevieray

Magnitude and reach of islamic terrorism can't be compared to anyone else's today. Add in the official, embedded goals of sharia, caliphate, jihad, taqqiyah........makes it worse.

Inquisition, Crusades, Salem Witch Trials, some schmucks in Africa or Westboro.....not very timely or good excuses for the jihad.

I think there is confusion between causation and correlation.

Having closely followed the rise of Islamic Extremists over the past twenty years I think one thing becomes clear..

Islam does not create terrorists...Dictators, oppression, poverty, hopelessness, violence and bombs do.

If Islam did not exist, but rather that region of the world believed in the Spaghetti Monster, we would be combating Spaghettic Extremists right now.

lol, yes, terrorists are mostly being created by the dictators of islam (AKA ayatollahs, imams, mufti), poverty of islam (rampant illiteracy that the leaders love to maintain), the oppression of islamic secret police and various thugs, the violence of sunni vs shia vs sufi vs Christian vs kurd, etc.

Again....All of those things have occurred under Christianity as well..

Religion had always been a tool of oppression..

The divine right of kings or divine right is a political and religious doctrine of royal and political legitimacy. It asserts that a monarch is subject to no earthly authority, deriving the right to rule directly from the will of God. The king is thus not subject to the will of his people, the aristocracy, or any other estate of the realm, including (in the view of some, especially in Protestant countries or during the reign of Henry VIII of England) the Catholic Church. It is often expressed in the phrase "by the Grace of God," attached to the titles of a reigning monarch.

en.wikipedia.org...

The reason that "Divine Right of Kings" doesn't still exist today in England is not because the bible changed...it is because society, politics and economics changed in the West.

The Middle East has been locked in the middle ages because of the curse of OIL....which meant those governments never had to evolve along with the West to survive...Free money beneath their feet...and Western Govs. propping up dictators.

It retarded what would have otherwise been the advancement and growth that the West evolved with.

Religion is just the BS that Dictators use to keep power..Devine right of King George et al...if 100 years ago the UK had the oil that the Middle East did, there would still be Kings ruling it and population of the UK would be a mix of oppression and rebellion and backwoods tribalism....and religion would be the banner everyone flew.

As mentioned several times.....we're discussing what's happening today, the people being killed and subjugated today....

The Catholic Church has richly embraced their mistakes and tried to atone. Pope Francis has jumped all in on "boy do we ever suck, please forgive us, but only after pummeling us for a while".

The muslims just keep doubling down on the violence, death, jihad, caliphate, sharia, taqqiyah.....

a reply to: stevieray

Well sure if you just ignore all the condemning of the actions of the radicals many leaders in Islam have put out it is easy to say that.

All religions suck, they all promote the same # but just use different words to do it. Oe they decide that they can pick and choose stuff out of the old book and say the other stuff doesn't matter any more.

Oh and the pope hasn't really done much about his priests. Probably the one thing I don't like about him.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: stevieray

Well sure if you just ignore all the condemning of the actions of the radicals many leaders in Islam have put out it is easy to say that.

All religions suck, they all promote the same # but just use different words to do it. Oe they decide that they can pick and choose stuff out of the old book and say the other stuff doesn't matter any more.

Oh and the pope hasn't really done much about his priests. Probably the one thing I don't like about him.

Somewhere several guys named Mohammed are chuckling that you're very impressed that somebody "said something" about terrorism, as they coordinate yet another attack.

a reply to: stevieray

I'm not very impressed, the point was that you are seemingly willing to ignore what one faith is doing because a world leader of it is speaking out against it, he hasn't done much about it, just spoke out against it.

originally posted by: stevieray


Their holy books are imbued with the directive of conquest, killing, subjugation, and tactical lying. Most other holy books decry these things.

'Violence more common' in Bible than Quran, text analysis reveals

"The project was inspired by the ongoing public debate around whether or not terrorism connected with Islamic fundamentalism reflects something inherently and distinctly violent about Islam compared to other major religions."...By categorising words into eight emotions - Joy, Anticipation, Anger, Disgust, Sadness, Surprise, Fear/Anxiety and Trust - the analysis found the Bible scored higher for anger and much lower for trust than the Quran.

Further analysis found the Old Testament was more violent than the New Testament, and more than twice as violent as the Quran..."I must also reemphasize that this analysis is superficial and the findings are by no means intended to be conclusive. Ours is a 30,000-ft, cursory view of three texts: the Quran and the Old and New Testaments, respectively."

You may be right, but you may well be wrong...

Also:

It’s impossible to escape violence in any book from that era. Indian scriptures and Greek mythology are no different.

Source

Yet each time one flips through a Quran (or more likely finds a quote posted on their friend’s page) to display the violence sanctioned in that book, recall our own theological foundations. America stands on equally shaky ground. Forget the texts and investigate our history and terrorism makes constant appearances.

Both the bible and the Koran are violent books:

A good argument could be made that either book is the most violent and cruel book ever written. The award would go to one or the other, for neither has any close competitors. It is frightening to think that more than half of the world's population believes in one or the other.

Source

In response to the OP, of course Obama is a terrorist sympathiser. The U.S.A. is a terrorist state. Terror is one of its main currencies!

a reply to: Indigo5

Just to point out the difference here, is in the texts themselves as well. Christians believe in the new covenant, which means no theocracy - God's Kingdom is in heaven and not of this earth. Under the new covenant, Christ is the mediator of the covenant, and it is His interpretation of law/life that is taught and accepted by Christians and not any other interpretation. www.gotquestions.org...


To be called a Christian, you emulate Jesus. Jesus taught separation of church and state.

He allowed himself to be executed rather than fight government officials. John 18:1-12

His disciples followed His lead in action (only 1 was not killed):

Andrew - crucified
Bartholomew - beaten then crucified
James, son of Alphaeus - stoned to death
James, son of Zebedee - beheaded
John - exiled for his faith; died of old age
Judas (not Iscariot) - stoned to death
Matthew - speared to death
Peter - crucifed upside down
Philip - crucified
Simon - crucified
Thomas - speared to death
Matthias - stoned to death

About taxes Jesus taught:
Then Jesus said to them, "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him."

About judging non-christians the bible says:
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside.

These sentiments are repeated over and over and over in the bible. There is no question of the teachings of Jesus and His followers.

However, the Quran stands diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jesus, utterly opposite of the life of Jesus. (You can watch the video I posted prior to the post to which I am replying for an indepth explanation from an ex-Muslim)

So, while humans are human and not all who call themselves Christians follow the teachings of Christ, that is the failing on the human being and not the religion.

“There were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.” (2 Peter 2:1)

Notice the words “among you.” Peter is writing to the church and says, “There will be false prophets among you.” He is talking about people inside the church and not outside.


Whereas, the failing of Islam is in the religion itself, rather than its followers. It's funny, how many ex-Muslims have little difficulty with a non-pc attitude toward their former religion.

Why I Stump for Trump, by Ali Sina (an ex-Muslim)

Now, in regards to the question I say that if I were to become the supreme leader of the free world I will build a big beautiful wall between Muslim countries and non-Muslim countries and will make Muslims pay for it. Unlike Trumps wall mine will have no doors and no windows and will be as tall as the stratosphere so no plane can fly over it. I have been calling for the secession of all ties with Muslims for years.

When you stop Islamic expansion Muslims turn to each other and will start killing one another. This is not such a bad thing after all considering the alternative which is killing us. Eventually the survivors will come to their senses and will leave Islam. If we keep them at bay at least we will be saved. Leave Muslims alone. Build the wall and don’t peep inside. Let them do what they do best. i.e., killing each other.

I support Trump’s proposal wholeheartedly even if it may prevent me to travel to USA. The point is not to ban Muslims, because it would not be practical in the long run, but to raise an important and ignored issue that there is a problem with Islam and we need to address it. We have been ignoring this problem for 1400 years and Islam has kept growing. The very first people who had to address this problem were the Meccans. They didn’t and as the result the world is paying the price. Time has come to get to the bottom of this problem and nothing more than a crisis will do it.

The key in Trump’s speech is “until we find out what the hell is going on.” Well you and I know what the hell is going on but the world does not. It is up to us to explain it to others. The problem is not people, but the ideology, the religion that inspire these people. The problem is the Quran and the belief in a psychopath mass murderer.

Once the problem is understood the solution will become very easy. All we have to do is show Muslims that Islam is a lie. Nobody wants to believe in a lie. We left Islam, not because we are smarter. We just had the chance to learn the truth. If others are given the same chance most of them will leave Islam too and the rest will be so demoralized that they give up their insanity.

Just something to consider. Peace.

Well, I don't feel so bad or "off topic" for my extensive vetting of Mr. Haney now.

Does anyone have any evidence that Barack Obama (mentioned in the title) personally ordered any one at DHS, CBP or NTC-P to shut down the investigations that Mr. Haney was doing?

That's the assertion in the OP. I'm saying that there is ZERO evidence to support it.

ETA: A few pages back I linked a video featuring Mr. Haney called "False Prophets" ... it is quite common among certain pro-Israel, apocalyptic Christian extremist sects (like the one that Haney is a longtime member and supporter of) to use these quotes from the Bible and claim that they refer (prophetically, ironically) to Prophet Mohammed.

That will give you a chuckle if it doesn't make you cry.

a reply to: Gryphon66



Since when does Obama admit to anything like this.

Nobody close enough won't talk either (yet).

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

Since when does Obama admit to anything like this.

Nobody close enough won't talk either (yet).

Thanks for your opinion Xuench!

We're looking for evidence here.

a reply to: Gryphon66

No, so far no one has taped Obama giving such orders. It is based on people's word, although in this case if I am correct isn't there more than one person saying similar things?

But no tapes yet of Obama saying anything.




ETA: I am not one of those apocalyptic Christians, just a regular one. That type is who is behind Cruz, not Trump I believe.

a reply to: Kitana

If more than one person claims to be an eyewitness to the supposed orders to scrub information on terrorists from the files of NTC-P, CBP or NTC-P, please present it to us in the conversation here. That would be an interesting development.

So, no tapes, no proclamations, no policy statements, no electronic communications, ... no evidence of anything that supports Agent Haney's tale?

Tell me, does it make any sense to you that if Mr. Haney has informed every member of his chain of DHS command up to and including the Inspector General (apparently, back in 2013) took information to Congress in 2013 (unsubstantiated) and sent a letter to Congress in December 2015 and did the rounds of the right-wing media shows, had Representative Gohmert mention his name twice along with paraphrased accusations on the House floor (Gohmert by the way hosted an episode of "Hannity" with his good friend Haney at the end of December) ... and yet, this Republican Congress, that has investigated every claim of malfeasance on tehe part of the President and his Administration repeatedly, exhaustively, has done NOTHING with that information?

Doesn't that boggle the mind more than a little? If there were any basis to the claims?


Tangent:
You're not one of those apocalyptic Christians? Okay. Do you believe that the phrasing in the Bible "false prophets" refers to Muhammed, or aspects of Islam?

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Now, maybe it is just me...but...why would the President of the United States try "wiping away" the country's intelligence on terrorists? T

Because he doesn't want the American public to know who is really responsible for terrorism around the globe.

Our arab allies Saudi Arabia, and our 'new' one Iran.

Can't have the truth coming out for when he gives money, and arms to them.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Now, maybe it is just me...but...why would the President of the United States try "wiping away" the country's intelligence on terrorists? T

Because he doesn't want the American public to know who is really responsible for terrorism around the globe.

Our arab allies Saudi Arabia, and our 'new' one Iran.

Can't have the truth coming out for when he gives money, and arms to them.

No one is surprised that is your opinion Neo. Do you have evidence, specifically regarding Mr. Philip Haney's claims?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Did ya miss the 19 hijackers were SAUDI ?

Did ya miss Obama, and Kerry arming the 'rebels' in Syria ?

There is a plethora of FACTS to back up that opinion. Not about to spoon people because they refuse to look at the TRUTH on their own.

But hey.

Make excuses for Obama.

After all we have to close Gitmo and let them back on the street.

We have to trade terrorists for DESERTERS.

WE have to make all besties with the muslim brotherhood in Egypt.

a reply to: neo96

What does the nationality of the "9/11/ hijackers" have to do with Philip Haney's very specific claims?

What does the Adminstration's policies in Syria (which I did not support) have to do with Philip Haney's very specific claims?

These dont' even rise to the level of facts and have nothing to do with our discussion here.

I haven't made any excuses for Obama; I haven't mentioned him except to ask for the connection made by the OP and the right-wing media circus over Mr. Haney's totally unsubstantiated and illogical claims.

Closing Gitmo has nothing to do with this .

You're just tossing in every red herring you can conceive of.

Here's the direct question: Do you have any information that substantiates the claim that Barack Obama shut down Mr. Haney's investigations?