Ancient Civilizations and Current Concieved Notions of those Civilizations

This topic is directed toward two or three specific people, namely Byrd, Marduk and my friend Harte.

Anyone of course can respond, but as always, respect for views of others should be maintained, since we all wish to learn.

I have observed a distinct outlook offered in a great many topics and discussions that demonstrates denial of anything but Human had something to do with some of our Ancient Discoveries and the remains of what is to be found today.

It is suggested by some, that despite having conceptual difficulties in understanding how 6000 years ago, man was able to create some of the most stunning creations, utilizing massive stone pieces to achieve these Wonders on our Planet.

There is a wealth of discussions about these sites, but many respondents apply a disdain to any notion of Alien Assistance to these constructions, and in some cases, there are those whom dismiss the notion Aliens even exist/existed and to believe such is a belief in lunacy to paraphrase.

To clarify an Alien is basically, not of this Earth. This of course would cover the mix, such as Grey's, the Shining Ones, Reptilians, those of the Vedic Texts, the Anunnaki, the gods of Norse, Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, and frankly the God of Abraham, Moses, and Adam, which is inclusive of the God of Ishmael. This spans the globe in both the "Old World, and New".

Now, I did a simple Google search for images for Egyptian Alien hieroglyphics. It is a vast amount of photos depicting strangely confronting images.

I find one particular photo interesting, but still haven't got the Photo insertion thing worked out. I also found it in the following and trust you can view it through the link.

It is this normal Egyptian Papyrus that appears to have something that doesn't belong. It is the top photo on the link.

ancientexplorers.com...

Now the remarks offered are not what I would say is concrete, but I did find that this subject is starting to garner discussion and may be a change of those preconceived notions.

My question becomes, why is it difficult to accept man may not have build Puma Pumku, or the Great Pyramid?

Lookin forward to any responses offered, and discussing this further.

a reply to: Shane

My question becomes, why is it difficult to accept man may not have build Puma Pumku, or the Great Pyramid?

Why would would 'aliens' bother? When you go visiting foreign countries do you build massive stone structures?

The ordinary people that did this did it for pay at the behest of megalomaniacal tyrants. The 'Great' pyramid is a head stone in a grand delusional graveyard.

The photo of egyptian alien in the link is a falcon, face on, imo.

a reply to: Shane

As much as I want to believe that ETs may have contacted our ancient predecessors, I believe the image you linked has been debunked to actually be a depiction of a lotus leaf in a vase.

There are much more interesting images you can find that actually would consider one to wonder what the artist(s) was attempting to depict.

So that blurry picture, represents an Alien grey to you, is that it,
in fact its a lotus blossom, and to believe that its an Alien you have to take the entire mural out of context. which is what Alien believers always do

Here is a better picture of the image, the original was deliberately blurred to make you think it was an alien

Still think its an alien

How about now when I show you in context with the rest of the image


Looks like a lotus blossom in a plant pot to me

How about if I show you one of the other lotus blossoms in the picture which hasn't been picked yet


Lol, this is the best evidence you have for aliens, a plant pot with a flower in it, I'm pretty sure you thought this was new and radical, but in fact this pile of crap has been doing the rounds for about two decades
and isn't it funny, that whenever it appears, its always being shown without any other context or evidence, like this is from a 5th Century tomb, about 1800 years after the last pyramid was built..

didn't know that did you, consider yourself educated
for everyone else, here's catchpenny
www.catchpenny.org...

originally posted by: NateTheAnimator

That is an image of a well known hoax,
from Mexico,

originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: Shane

As much as I want to believe that ETs may have contacted our ancient predecessors, I believe the image you linked has been debunked to actually be a depiction of a lotus leaf in a vase.

There are much more interesting images you can find that actually would consider one to wonder what the artist(s) was attempting to depict.

That is an extremely well known hoax, in fact there was a big lawsuit over it, as a Hollywood producer (Elisabeth Thieriot) felt cheated out of her money in backing the hoaxer's film ("Revelations of the Mayans: 2012 and Beyond") over these 'artifacts.'

Look up "Raul Julia-Levy," aka Salvador Alba Fuentes (among his many false claims is that he is the son of Raul Julia)

Ancient Mayan Artefacts or Another Hoax

SPECIAL REPORT: The Recently Revealed Mayan Alien Artifacts

originally posted by: Shane

To clarify an Alien is basically, not of this Earth.

My question becomes, why is it difficult to accept man may not have build Puma Pumku, or the Great Pyramid?

Lookin forward to any responses offered, and discussing this further.

I don't have trouble with the concept of aliens. I have trouble believing a flesh and blood alien might expend the natural course of their life traveling to this planet ... when sending a probe would suffice.

I believe there have been several generations of advanced societies as inhabitants of this planet. What if one of them migrated deep below that portion of the Earth's crust we can easily monitor? Would they not learn megalithic building techniques as a matter of necessity? Would they not come up to the surface once in a generation just to have a look around?

Maybe it's Them!!

ETA: These are the kinds of threads that keep me coming back to ATS for more.

- S&F

a reply to: Shane

Aliens visiting earth is the concept that relates way back to the space race to the moon and further back to the age of exploration. It's a fairy tale for the modern age.
Much like how sailors were excited yet terrified of the open unknown sea, we are terrified and fascinated with the open universe.
Both have brought amazing stories and tales. Some true, some completely fiction.
But look where we are now, we have no need to send flesh and blood out into space we can just send out a drone or probes. Sending people to the moon was more of a puffing the chest move really.

If aliens did or have visited, it would be for most likely something that would be bad for us.

originally posted by: Shane

It is this normal Egyptian Papyrus that appears to have something that doesn't belong. It is the top photo on the link.

ancientexplorers.com...

Okay... when talking about ancient civilizations, this is a pretty good place to start.

You've been misinformed. Severely misinformed
* it's not papyrus. It's a painting
* it's on the wall of a tomb. And there's a whole lot more to it than just that "image"
* in fact, there's actually writing on the original wall that says what' s going on.
* the image is taken by cropping one tiny part of a huge picture and then suggesting what you see. It's like me taking a badly photo of your nose and then telling people to look closely because your nose isn't a nose... it's actually the Swiss Alps without snow.
* the "alien" only works if you are shown a poorly photographed version of the tomb wall.
* the whole thing is a hoax by Michael Cohen and is SO well known that it has a Wikipedia page
* you can see the original at this web page. Scroll way down

My question becomes, why is it difficult to accept man may not have build Puma Pumku, or the Great Pyramid?

Several reasons:
* the original sources making the claim don't know anything about the subject
* they don't study (or won't because it will destroy their idea) the whole culture in depth.
* they don't understand what they'e seeing because they think they can just look at something and "grok" what it means.


Now...when I look at something from Egypt, I look at it from the standpoint of a second year student who is getting a real university degree (with tests and paper and research) in Egyptology.

And before you start saying "academics..." I think you should understand what I will have to do for that degree.


For my degree in Egyptology, I will be expected to be able to (and am tested on)
* identify artifacts generally (including the coffins) by period by sight.
* to be able to read some hieroglyphs.
* to understand geographic regions and the major towns
* to know the basics of the 3,000 year history of Pharaonic Egypt
* to know all the major deities (there are over 1,000 deities).
* to know the civil and religious calendars (or where to find them)
* know what people did (and the differences in jobs -- such as what lector priests do, what singers do, what chantresses do, who does what in the temple, who works there, and what wab priests do (and where to find the information.))
* know some of the major battles (this month, we get into Thutmose III, so we'll get a lot of military stuff.)
* major events of each period and the actions of each major pharaoh of that period. I
* know generally the technology (stonework, brickwork, agriculture, jewelry, clothing, food, pottery, military, weapons, etc) of the era.
* know the major Egyptology museums, where their catalogs are, and do research for assignments and papers in those online collections.
* know and be able to write about the changes that each group of invaders brought into Egypt.
* know the prehistory of the Sahara desert and that area of Northern Africa
* be familiar with the names and titles of many pharaohs, their queens, and some of the high officials
* know the biographies of some of these people (as written in their tombs)
* be familiar with the major papyri out there
* be familiar with the many types of tomb designs
* know what Mesopotamia and other areas of the world are (generally... not in great detail) doing during this time.

* I am also expected (and have) to read around 200 books during this course, write about what I have read, and then become familiar with ancient sources both Egyptian and non-Egyptian including mention of Egyptians in the Bible and by Herodotus and other travelers.

* in addition, I have to learn some German so that I can identify titles and some of the works because a lot of the earliest material in Egypt is written in German or French. I have copies of the books produced by Napoleon's scholars which document some monuments and walls that were later destroyed or damaged so badly they're now unreadable. My recent assignment (last month) had me trying to read online material from two of these books.

* also, unlike you and Michael, I've been inside that tomb. www.ancient-egypt.co.uk...

I'm working hard for this degree.


So I look the photo at it and see the writing, see a three-panel formal arrangement of the tomb wall, the cattle drivers on top (which then tells me that it's going to be a scene about food offerings for the ka of the deceased), and I see two figures at an offering table and I know that somewhere on that panel will be the "nesu di' hotep" phrase along with a listing of what they're depicting on the page and the names of the people giving the offering and the name of the deceased.



You look at it and someone says "see the alien!" and you say "yes!"



Why should I believe you and Michael when I can look at the wall and read what the Ptah-hotep told the artists to carve on his wall?



...and it's the same way with Puma Punku (Harte, btw, has done archaeological digs all over the world and in MesoAmerica specifically, as I recall.)

(being a little playfully picky, here)

originally posted by: Marduk
...this is from a 5th Century tomb, about 1800 years after the last pyramid was built..

5th dynasty, actually, and about 100 years or so after the Giza.

a reply to: Byrd

You're getting a degree in Egyptology? That is freaking awesome, Byrd!

originally posted by: Marduk

How about now when I show you in context with the rest of the image

DONT WATER THAT ALIEN AFTER MIDNIGHT!

a reply to: Esoterotica

That literally made me laugh out loud.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: Byrd

You're getting a degree in Egyptology? That is freaking awesome, Byrd!

I have gotten a position as an adjunct professor of Anthropology at a local college, and want to be able to offer courses on ancient Egypt. So it's Back To School for degree number five! Plus, I want to be able to do some research at the museums. I've found several things that arouse my curiosity and want to investigate them further, but need a better background than I have.

This won't make me an expert since it's only an undergraduate degree. But it's a good foundation for teaching a basic course in Egyptology and doing some research.

a reply to: Byrd

That's fantastic. I envy you. Best of luck with that!

In 4 billion years im sure there were other races of beings, or civilisations of high technology that came before us....
Evidence is mounting....
We will see Archaeology discredited as a science eventually....and exposed for what they made it into....

originally posted by: bandersnatch
In 4 billion years im sure there were other races of beings, or civilisations of high technology that came before us....
Evidence is mounting....
We will see Archaeology discredited as a science eventually....and exposed for what they made it into....

If you feel so strongly about that, why don't you go get your own 5 advanced degrees....then you can debunk yourself...write it up as your doctoral thesis....that would be very impressive.

Kev

originally posted by: bandersnatch
In 4 billion years im sure there were other races of beings, or civilisations of high technology that came before us....

Why are you so sure, considering that there isn't a single piece of evidence for such a thing?

Evidence is mounting....

Uh, no, it isn't. If you're going to make claims like that, you need to provide said evidence to back them up.

We will see Archaeology discredited as a science eventually....and exposed for what they made it into....

Ignorant statement of the day award.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Oops my mistake.

originally posted by: bandersnatch
In 4 billion years im sure there were other races of beings, or civilisations of high technology that came before us....
Evidence is mounting....
We will see Archaeology discredited as a science eventually....and exposed for what they made it into....

Spoken like a true tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist
Add any other science into that sentence and you can clearly see how laughable it is
"We will see Medicine discredited as a science eventually....and exposed for what they made it into"
"We will see Physics discredited as a science eventually....and exposed for what they made it into"
"We will see Chemistry discredited as a science eventually....and exposed for what they made it into"
"We will see Geology discredited as a science eventually....and exposed for what they made it into"

So your anti science bias is clearly showing, what you don't seem to understand, is that unlike "belief" science builds on itself, so is in fact, impossible to ever discredit, You seem to think that Archaeology is just one thing (because you know nothing about it), but its made up of many different disciplines, an equitable example would be, discrediting Chemistry, you can start by discrediting Carbon molecules, see how you get on...

Any idiot with two eyes can see the technological feats of the past surpass what we are capable of today....
get a grip in reality....
Perhaps you never heard of the horrible # that has been heaped upon reputable scientists for speaking against the paradigm
There sure weren't slaves with copper chisels boring accurate holes in granite back then....explain those holes ...
Or a thousand other pieces of stone work that even we cannot accomplish without technology of the first order....
Carbon dating has its own problems...
Smirk all you want.....Archaelogy is a game of fools, when it comes to anything they cant fit into their world view.....