Breaking: Lavoy Finicum Tased By OSP Implicates Murder By The Feds

originally posted by: SonOfThor
a reply to: Xcathdra

Have you found any links or press releases stating that the officers involved are suspects in the shooting?

If there really is a legit investigation going on that is the first step to getting some real answers.

Officer Involved Shooting Investigation Underway In Harney County - 01/26/16

The Deschutes County Major Incident Team will be assisting the Oregon State Police and the Harney County District Attorney's Office with the investigation. The investigation will be conducted in compliance with Senate Bill 111 which outlines protocols to be followed when deadly physical force is used.

* - SB 111 Implementation Use of Deadly Physical Force by Law Enforcement Officers - main section
* - Senate bill 111 - text

(4) For at least 72 hours immediately following an incident in which the use of deadly physical force by a police officer resulted in the death of a person, a law enforcement agency may not return an involved officer to duties that might place the officer in a situation in which the officer has to use deadly physical force.

The above is for Oregon officers and its mandatory. I am still looking for the FBI one.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Vector99

Just a bystander here ... but ... care to compare your credentials in Law Enforcement with the member you claim doesn't "grasp the questions?"

I mean ... come on ... general quality of the ATS forums and all that ... good gravy.

Yet you appear to spend a great deal of time here.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
It does look like a taser in the hand of the cop on the left. The other officers being in the line of fire is also a great point.

I thought the same until I realized...look at the layers of clothing he is wearing, and the distance. In my opinion it's definitely gunshots that drop him.

What I'm wondering is did he reach for something, or did he react to a gunshot wound.

Only audio will tell that story

originally posted by: TheBadCabbie

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Vector99

Just a bystander here ... but ... care to compare your credentials in Law Enforcement with the member you claim doesn't "grasp the questions?"

I mean ... come on ... general quality of the ATS forums and all that ... good gravy.

Yet you appear to spend a great deal of time here.

Really ... nah, not that much. I drop by. Thanks for the interest though. *blush*

But, uh ... am I the topic of discussion here? My ATS time and posting habits?

I don't think so.

originally posted by: Vector99
Actually watching it over and over we have speculative evidence he was NOT tazed, look at his clothing, and look at the distance. no way a taser shot would have done what happened unless it hit him in the only exposed area on skin, his face. to get a shot that accurate from the distances seen in the vid, he wasn't tasered.

Now just need the audio version, but I bet we will not see that for a while, if ever.

A head shot from behind would have done it too. The guy that the reporter focuses on in the OP video got pretty close, really. Close enough for a tight shot like that, I'd guess.

a reply to: Vector99

did he reach for something, or did he react to a gunshot wound. Only audio will tell that story

or witness testimony...

originally posted by: Vector99

I'm not LEO or a lawyer, but because of my childhood I'm well versed on the law and how it works.

Now care to explain how an edited interview makes me uninformed?

Care to quote where I said that about you?

Look, I asked a question after you seemed to be making some pretty off-handed personal comments about a member for whose expertise in matters like this I have a lot of respect for and who has proven time and time again to possess expert knowledge.

My mistake; that was a personal matter, and inappropriate for the forum.

a reply to: Vector99

Then you need to re-watch your video. In both he states he will not go to a concrete box (prison) and would rather die.

Unfortunately, a taser does not fit into any of the eyewitness accounts.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Vector99

Just a bystander here ... but ... care to compare your credentials in Law Enforcement with the member you claim doesn't "grasp the questions?"

I mean ... come on ... general quality of the ATS forums and all that ... good gravy.

Care to reference how that would be relevant in this discussion at all?

Oh my. Nope, you're doing quite the job of that.

I mean ... Why would we listen to an expert on issues about the law, use of deadly force and the actual you know relevant facts ...

Great point!

We have conclusive video in now? I didn't know that.

Since when has conclusive video been needed?

Reference this thread and any of the others on the Finicum shooting. Inconclusive evidence hasn't stopped any number of people from stamping this done and dusted already.

originally posted by: OveRcuRrEnteD
or witness testimony...

Interesting... witness testimony you say? Considering the 2 guys who went back to prison were convicted based on witness testimony... meh.

A gun was located in Finicums coat pocket.
The complete video shows him reaching.
The complete video shows him almost hitting an officer to avoid spike strips.

Then again we saw in Ferguson a myriad of "witnesses" whose testimony turned out to be lies for the sole purpose of not liking law enforcement.

originally posted by: OveRcuRrEnteD
a reply to: Vector99

did he reach for something, or did he react to a gunshot wound. Only audio will tell that story

or witness testimony...

You mean testimony from the people who were occupying with him and in the vehicle with him?

If we're not willing to accept the government stance at face value, I'm at a loss to explain why we would accept the stance of people who most certainly cannot be considered unbiased and independent.

originally posted by: TheTory
Unfortunately, a taser does not fit into any of the eyewitness accounts.

I wonder if he was using a pepper-ball gun instead of a taser.

a reply to: Gryphon66

No worries, and yes I came off snarky because as usual TYT made a non-true video. Selective reporting, forcing an answer you want. That is the journalism referenced.

It looks like there is about 12-15 feet distance at the time he drops. The only exposed part of him is his face. Anyone that tells you from 12-15 feet that it is easy to taze a small moving object is...well just wrong. Anyone that uses incomplete interviews to enforce a belief based on subjective statements...well is just wrong.

No one can make a definitive assessment here until audio of the situation is released. If you don't think that helicopter that recorded it didn't also have audio recording, I have a bridge to sell you.

Why isn't the audio immediately released, along with all officer bodycam footage

the ONLY reason you aren't honest and forthright about something ever is because there are parts you don't want people to know.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Vector99

Then you need to re-watch your video. In both he states he will not go to a concrete box (prison) and would rather die.

He also said he hoped to live a long and prosperous life with the wind on his face riding his horses. The reporter was essentially playing a game of "Would You Rather".

originally posted by: Vector99

the ONLY reason you aren't honest and forthright about something ever is because there are parts you don't want people to know.

... or the investigation is on-going and you don't want to compromise the integrity of same.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: TheTory
Unfortunately, a taser does not fit into any of the eyewitness accounts.

I wonder if he was using a pepper-ball gun instead of a taser.

It wouldn't drop him like he did, I think you know that.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Vector99

the ONLY reason you aren't honest and forthright about something ever is because there are parts you don't want people to know.

... or the investigation is on-going and you don't want to compromise the integrity of same.

So providing conclusive evidence by providing audio would compromise what? Wouldn't that shut people like me up right away?

a reply to: TheTory

and finincum answered, telling him what his response would be.

As I have said many times now -

If a person says they are a former seal and a black belt in karate, even if they are lying about it, law enforcement will treat that individual as a former navy seal and a black belt in karate.

Just as Finicum stated he wont go to a concrete box and would rather die.

Words have consequences. Actions have consequences.

a reply to: Xcathdra

He was asked if he would rather die than live his life out in a cell...

What would your answer be?