Breaking: Lavoy Finicum Tased By OSP Implicates Murder By The Feds

a reply to: spy66

Clearly obvious that there was more than just the one stupid cop jumping from behind the blocking vehicle. So now there are 2 stupid cops present.

originally posted by: CharlesT
As I have previously stated, the truck was either mostly or completely off of the road when the ignorant cop jumped out from behind his blocking vehicle. What part of believing what the video actually shows do you refuse to accept? Only the obvious parts?

a reply to: pteridine

I was responding to spy66 so that he could clarify his point [which you have completely missed] as he was speaking of an event later in the timeline. I do not have a problem with the video as it shows what it shows. We do not know the reasons why the officer moved from behind his vehicle in your example. He may have thought that the truck would bog down much sooner than it did. People full of adrenaline do not behave like those rehashing events days and weeks later. Look at Finicum running in circles desperately looking for an escape route before deciding to force the issue.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
What do I think?

I think you're...Fishing for flags

I think you deny truth and do what it takes to deflect from it.

I'll star and flag this simply because it is relevant and, in my opinion, closer to the truth than any argument you put forward to try to support a clearly overreaching and criminally negligent authority.

originally posted by: pteridine

originally posted by: CharlesT
As I have previously stated, the truck was either mostly or completely off of the road when the ignorant cop jumped out from behind his blocking vehicle. What part of believing what the video actually shows do you refuse to accept? Only the obvious parts?

a reply to: pteridine

I was responding to spy66 so that he could clarify his point [which you have completely missed] as he was speaking of an event later in the timeline. I do not have a problem with the video as it shows what it shows. We do not know the reasons why the officer moved from behind his vehicle in your example. He may have thought that the truck would bog down much sooner than it did. People full of adrenaline do not behave like those rehashing events days and weeks later. Look at Finicum running in circles desperately looking for an escape route before deciding to force the issue.

You presume to know Finicum is running around in circles trying to find an escape route but absolutely refute my opinion of what the cop's movements indicate. You evidently hold others to a double standard that only you have the psychic abilities of knowing precisely what the participants actions and intentions are. I call a foul here.

originally posted by: pteridine
Crash? Why do you say that? My bet is that he was trying to go around the roadblock and made a decision to try.

Decision my a$$.... Lavoy Finicum had no time to decide.... it was a hidden road block. The other stuff you said is just nonsense...

I wonder sometimes who defends these government goons and murderers.... are they blind?

Clearly Lavoy Finicum was murdered... did you not see the video?

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: spy66

Clearly obvious that there was more than just the one stupid cop jumping from behind the blocking vehicle. So now there are 2 stupid cops present.

There is no doubt about that. I have mentioned the trooper who jumpt in front of the victims truck in a different reply.

------ Who in their right mind thinks they can stop a truck With their body without being hurt or killed----

This Whole roadblock was a distaster...the troopers and CIA didnt have controll at all. Or they did have full controll because the intention was to presure him just enought so that they could have a reason to kill him.

WHen i look at the roadblock it could look like they inticipaded or planned that if he was going to try and pass. He would try and pass on the left side. Because the black truck on the left side is not backed as Close to the edge of the road as the gray truck on the right side.


The way the troopers are standing behind cover on the left side is also different than how the troopers are placed on the right side. There are no troppers out in the ditch on the left side like there is on the right side. Normaly the set up would be the same on each side. I bet there is not trooper hiding behind a tree on the right side. At least i have not seen any.

originally posted by: spy66
This Whole roadblock was a distaster...the troopers and CIA didnt have controll at all. Or they did have full controll because the intention was to presure him just enought so that they could have a reason to kill him.

FBI.. not CIA.

The one thing I found peculiar was the checkpoint / roadblock. I would like to know how they officially classified that. I would also like to know if a pursuit was initiated. If a pursuit was officially logged then the agencies involved in the final checkpoint / road block could have some issues.

We are prohibited from completely blocking roads during pursuits. An avenue of escape must be provided so it does not force a deadly force encounter. I know scotus has gone back and forth since 2001 trying to account for terrorism.

I am curious how that part will play out.

originally posted by: CharlesT

originally posted by: pteridine

originally posted by: CharlesT
As I have previously stated, the truck was either mostly or completely off of the road when the ignorant cop jumped out from behind his blocking vehicle. What part of believing what the video actually shows do you refuse to accept? Only the obvious parts?

a reply to: pteridine

I was responding to spy66 so that he could clarify his point [which you have completely missed] as he was speaking of an event later in the timeline. I do not have a problem with the video as it shows what it shows. We do not know the reasons why the officer moved from behind his vehicle in your example. He may have thought that the truck would bog down much sooner than it did. People full of adrenaline do not behave like those rehashing events days and weeks later. Look at Finicum running in circles desperately looking for an escape route before deciding to force the issue.

You presume to know Finicum is running around in circles trying to find an escape route but absolutely refute my opinion of what the cop's movements indicate. You evidently hold others to a double standard that only you have the psychic abilities of knowing precisely what the participants actions and intentions are. I call a foul here.

You presume to know that the FBI was part of an assassination plot of a minor player and absolutely refute my opinion of what Finicum's movements indicate. You evidently hold others to a double standard that only you have the psychic abilities of knowing precisely what the participants actions and intentions are. I call a foul here.

Works both ways, doesn't it?

originally posted by: imitator

originally posted by: pteridine
Crash? Why do you say that? My bet is that he was trying to go around the roadblock and made a decision to try.

Decision my a$$.... Lavoy Finicum had no time to decide.... it was a hidden road block. The other stuff you said is just nonsense...

I wonder sometimes who defends these government goons and murderers.... are they blind?

Clearly Lavoy Finicum was murdered... did you not see the video?

He had no time to decide? Of course he did, or he would have hit the roadblock. What would you have done?

Clearly, LaVoy ran around in circles taunting the officers, went for his pocket pistol, and got himself clipped....did you not see the video?

a reply to: Xcathdra

My bad



It was probably approved as a random roadblock.

en.wikipedia.org...

A random checkpoint (also known as a "flying checkpoint", "mobile checkpoint" or "hasty checkpoint") is a military and police tactic involving the setup of a hasty roadblock primarily by mobile truck-mounted infantry or police units in order to disrupt unauthorized or unwanted movement or military activity.[1]

Random checkpoints are set up to achieve surprise, as opposed to known permanently located manned checkpoints. They might be established in locations where they cannot be observed by approaching traffic until it is too late to withdraw and escape without being observed.[2]

originally posted by: pteridine
He had no time to decide? Of course he did, or he would have hit the roadblock. What would you have done?

Last minute surprises like a hidden road block would require biological triggers before making a proper decision... so yeah, your question is pointless as I can not predict what I would do.

originally posted by: pteridine
Clearly, LaVoy ran around in circles taunting the officers, went for his pocket pistol, and got himself clipped.

Do you even believe the things you say?
Why don't you stick your hands up, while I shoot bullets around your feet... and lets see how well you dance.

originally posted by: imitator

originally posted by: pteridine
He had no time to decide? Of course he did, or he would have hit the roadblock. What would you have done?

Last minute surprises like a hidden road block would require biological triggers before making a proper decision... so yeah, your question is pointless as I can not predict what I would do.

originally posted by: pteridine
Clearly, LaVoy ran around in circles taunting the officers, went for his pocket pistol, and got himself clipped.

Do you even believe the things you say?
Why don't you stick your hands up, while I shoot bullets around your feet... and lets see how well you dance.

"Biological triggers before making a proper decision?" Does anyone believe the things you say?

So you have evidence of officers shooting bullets around his feet while he is running around. Do you even believe the things you say?

originally posted by: imitator
while I shoot bullets around your feet

Oh look, yet another made up story! first we had him dragged out of the car and executed, then we had a stolen handgun planted on him, now we have police shooting around his feet!

No evidence for any of those claims, but as we have seen when there is no evidence some people here will just make crap up!

originally posted by: pteridine

originally posted by: imitator

originally posted by: pteridine
He had no time to decide? Of course he did, or he would have hit the roadblock. What would you have done?

Last minute surprises like a hidden road block would require biological triggers before making a proper decision... so yeah, your question is pointless as I can not predict what I would do.

originally posted by: pteridine
Clearly, LaVoy ran around in circles taunting the officers, went for his pocket pistol, and got himself clipped.

Do you even believe the things you say?
Why don't you stick your hands up, while I shoot bullets around your feet... and lets see how well you dance.

"Biological triggers before making a proper decision?" Does anyone believe the things you say?

So you have evidence of officers shooting bullets around his feet while he is running around. Do you even believe the things you say?

Well it would be a hell of a lot worse for the authorities if they didnt shoot at him as he was dansing arround before he whent Down.
It would mean they killed a person who was Tased and out of action.... It would mean they killed a person who was tased and just lying in the snow presenting no threat at all.

No matter how you flipp this killing, it dosent look good for the authorities in a Court. The agent/trooper who left the cover of the roadblock and ingaged the suspect on his own in the open. Is going to have a though time explaining to the Court...if what he did is proper ingagment according to roadblock prosedures, And correct prosedure when it comes to ingaging a pressumed armed suspect who appeared to have surrendered.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: imitator
while I shoot bullets around your feet

Oh look, yet another made up story! first we had him dragged out of the car and executed, then we had a stolen handgun planted on him, now we have police shooting around his feet!

No evidence for any of those claims, but as we have seen when there is no evidence some people here will just make crap up!

Hell, just being shot at can make anyone dance..... lets see someone prove it to you!

Snipers in the tree's right, they shoot downwards... yeah, I bet there was a few shots at his feet.... simple logic... gravity... keystone kops can't shoot straight etc...

Hold your hands up....
Do you like to dance? pew pew pew....

If you want evidence, ask those murderous tyrants to hand over the ground audio.

originally posted by: spy66
No matter how you flipp this killing, it dosent look good for the authorities in a Court.

Actually, it looks fine. Nutter runs away from police, crash their car, exit the vehicle and then keeps reaching for a gun. The police then shot them. What doesn't look good about that?

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: spy66
No matter how you flipp this killing, it dosent look good for the authorities in a Court.

Actually, it looks fine. Nutter runs away from police, crash their car, exit the vehicle and then keeps reaching for a gun. The police then shot them. What doesn't look good about that?

It is not that easy.

First of all the type of roadblock that they chose is clasified as use of leathal force. For moste people this dosent make sense. But that is because moste People dont have Insight into what kind of roadblock this was, and why it was set up were it was set up in the first place. To moste People a roadblock is just a roadblock.

The other part of this event is the first stop. Why did the FBI let him go when they had him stopped?

Why didnt they Close in from the front? They had time to do that.

They could have disabled the truck from moving away from the first stop. But they never did.... "Their intentions were never to let this person go". That is what the roadblock up the road is there for...to stop him. So why did they let him drive on to the roadblock when they first had him Down the road???? That dosent make sense.

Unless, they wanted him to confront the roadblock so that roadblock would create the right situation for them to do what they did. It is the only thing that actually makes sense.

originally posted by: spy66
First of all the type of roadblock that they chose is clasified as use of leathal force.

Care to show the exact legislation where that is stated?

Why did the FBI let him go when they had him stopped?

Any evidence that they were FBI? Any at all?

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: spy66
First of all the type of roadblock that they chose is clasified as use of leathal force.

Care to show the exact legislation where that is stated?

Why did the FBI let him go when they had him stopped?

Any evidence that they were FBI? Any at all?

The roadblock is not clasified by a legislation. It is a tacktical clasification made on its nature.

It is defined as leathat do to that FBI, police and military who use this type of roadblock "can" get hurt or killed With this kind of suprise roadblock.

IF he had ramed the roadblock he could have hurt or killed troopers or FBI who have taken cover within the roadblock. He could have killed himself and other inside the truck. That is why this type of roadblock is clasified as leathal.

Call the FBI and ask them. If you dont have the Insight Call People who do.