Running list of Anti-Muslim Acts

a reply to: Kitana


Referring to your above post about policy stemming from leaders, I am confused about certain things.

If Assad is somewhat secular and rebel forces want to prop up a theocracy and install a caliphate in Syria, then wouldn't you think it be in the best interest of the US to support Assad?

Instead, we hear through the media how Assad is a brutal villain. While that may be, isn't the alternative much much worse as seen through Western eyes?

It is 100% my assertion that the USA has been doing the best it can at maintaining conflict within the region for a myriad of reasons. The US knows full well that when you get rid of a leader in the middle east, they're going to be replaced by a strong armed theocratic zealot. What better recipe for the MIC?

So many of us here at ATS are refusing to see the plain truth. That much of the hatred toward the west stems from Western policy within their mid eastern home. The mistake is to believe that the US keeps getting it wrong, rather than they know exactly what they're doing with their agenda being fulfilled every time their is an ISIS attack and a subsequent drone strike.


The middle east is nothing more than playground for the West's defense contractors and it is THRIVING! Demand is high and business is booming.

Islamophobia is good for business. Winning of hearts and minds while the average American is absolutely clueless as to the nuances of where the anger and hatred comes from to begin with.

Lets think about this a second, the OP is about Islamaphobia... is Arachnophobia an irrational fear of spiders or just a fear of spiders?

The reason I ask is lets just take a look at the aftermath of the muslim attack on Paris.

The police raided an apartment of suspected involvements. A gun battle ensued and one person detonated a suicide vest. Bomb making materials were found inside. There were obviously guns inside also.

This leads to a couple questions or or hypothetical sits.

1. The radical gun owning bomb making terrorist did all this without the knowledge of the neighboring tenants in the apt. building.
or
2. they did this with full compliance of the "non radical neighbors.

If no. 1 is true, this means they acted like law abiding citizens and just "peaceful" muslims... all the while building bombs.

or the non radical neighbors knew and said nothing.

Imagine putting your baby into his or her crib directly over a suicide bomb factory.

My point is if the neighbors did not know they were living next to radicalized muslims that were running a bomb factory then it could very well be any muslim next door...

and if they did know, they are just as guilty

And to the OP. how many of these "hate crimes" involved a beheading? school kids blown up? markets with innocents buying food blown up?

Also to the OP.... would you send your daughters into a refugge camp full of muslim men un escorted?

I saw two physical attacks on people, one seemed entirely unjustified while the other (ISIS, ISIS) could be interpreted as a response to a threat. The rest are words or inanimate object. Not impressed.

Get back to me when a non-muslim couple shoots up a mosque or islamic center. I'll get comfortable, it'll be a long wait.

What does the term islamphobia even mean? Because this is not a race! Its not racist to be 100% opposed to Islamic ideology which in practice violates our constitutions and the western principles and Islam do not mesh, are not compatible in any way. I don't call renouncing and denouncing strongly all forms of fascism including theocracy, allowing children to be used sexually from infancy practically, as is the common practice in many of those countries, abuse of women, subjegation, absolute abusive enshrouding them in burka's which is a crime against humanity and extreme abuse of women, things that would make you heave and abuses of children that are unbelievable. I'm sorry but the word phobia doesnt come close to the absolute denouncing of crimes that I consider to be a very dangerous cult. Dangerous and illegal by all of our laws.

Now, I don't promote violence against anyone, but close the borders to all who are not fleeing from the extreme states they were living in, and who renounce and denounce all illegal things, and don't congregate to areas that become No Go cities, where Sharia is practiced secretly and the bottom/lowest rung of that culture predominates due to the lower wrong being violent and extremely oppressive and taking extreme murderous actions against those who try to escape them.

There is nothing in our constitution, the US, Canada, or any Western constitution that says we must have open borders, and accept any and all applicants to our nations.

High Risk must be curtailed.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Islamopohobia

Sorry for all the edits I accidentally posted too early. Bare with me as I update.

Here is a list of all the anti-muslim attacks THIS year. The total is currently 28. Quick, someone name all the islamic terrorist attacks that have hit the united states this year. Wait that's easy. The number is 0.

Seriously, anyone who doesn't see that Islamophobia is a growing concern needs to wake up.

Idiots will be idiots. I just like to be left alone and to leave others alone. Seems a reasonable way to get through life.

I will say though, it seems to me that the people who kill and maim Muslims more than any other group... are other Muslim groups. Maybe they are islamophobes?

originally posted by: Sargeras

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Sargeras

You should reread the OP VERY carefully. You missed something.

Here is a list of all the anti-muslim attacks THIS year.

If you want to open the debate up to including last year, we can certainly do that, but I'm sure the numbers will be even more lopsided in favor of more anti-muslim actions versus muslim terrorist attacks.

Oh I get it, you want to dismiss all the crap they did last year or just a couple months ago because it doesn't fit into your imaginary world view your try to push.

OK gotcha

I'm not dismissing anything. That was just the information presented in the article I found.

originally posted by: luthier
In general Americans need educating on other parts of the world. So they fear things they may not understand.

I'd say this is more true than anything else. Americans let themselves get too isolated in their own personal bubbles and refuse to learn about things outside of it. So when reality threatens that bubble they lash out violently and without thinking it through. Some of the very people making fun of me in this thread will be looking back on these times in 20 or so years from now and regretting their actions.

originally posted by: Kitana
a reply to: luthier

The Pew Research Center has an excellent reputation for being fair, accurate, and reliable. It is nonpartisan, nonprofit, and employs high quality researchers who generally use the best possible practices. It is a poll, I will grant you, but it takes in a sampling and generally stays reasonably accurate within 5% in most cases.

You can disagree, but without knowing the ruler or the laws, you don't know why one country may appear more moderate over another. Such as in Syria there used to be religious freedom and Christians and minorities in government as well as Muslims. Yet, Assad made it illegal in that country to be a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. If you were found the be a member of the Brotherhood, it was a death sentence. That was how he kept extremism reigned in and freedom for all the people there.

Each country is different, but if you want to know why one has sharia, and one has freedom, then you look at their leaders and you will always find out why. Right now Saudia Arabia is going through a huge movement - its actually quite amazing - Muslims are leaving Islam in what appears to be droves, many there are announcing themselves as atheists and standing against sharia in that country and demanding freedom.

Each country is different - but you must look at the leaders as much as the people. The two above mentioned countries have huge disparities between the government and the people living there, as you see they are not always in agreement. I don't know Jordan as much as other middle eastern countries, so I will rely on the reputation of pew as it is excellent.

Saudia Arabia is going through a huge change? Really? You mean where they execute Atheists for apostesty on a regular basis? Or women for being raped when they are unaccompanied by men? How about whipping a British engineer for having drunk wine?

March 2014, the Saudi interior ministry issued a royal decree branding all atheists as terrorists, which defines terrorism as "calling for atheist thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the Islamic religion on which this country is based."

Total fail.

So you rely on polls without looking at the sample base? Even if it was 200 people in a remote region like say the deep south in the US? I don't think it's ever good to relax critical thinking.

Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, Syria, and Iraq were moderate nations in terms of many aspects of society. I will throw in Indonesia as well. A work in progress and a difficult one as it is a massive string of islands. Far from ideal but working on becoming modern

As you point out taking out these secular dictators is a problem.

I am looking at the laws, education equality, the rulers, religious freedom, gender equality, and militarism. They are not perfect but far from extremists and actually working towards getting better. They need to be supported since the only way to help solve this problem is to help the Islamic reformers have a voice.

Saudis first need to be cut off from the west. They actually execute reformers. So as of now its impossible for reform with the west basically sanctioning there behaviour with our money and arms.

How about 912 Anti-Semetic crimes in the US last year? That blows you 28 out of the water but hey, there is nothing to see here so move along. No special interest groups...

In April 2015, the Anti-Defamation League published its 2014 audit of antisemitic incidents. According to it, there were 912 anti-Semitic incidents across the U.S. during 2014. This represents a 21 percent increase from the 751 incidents reported during the same period in 2013. Most of the incidents (513) belong to the category of "Harassments, threats and events". Another finding of the audit shows that most of the vandalism incidents occurred in public area (35%). A review of the results shows that during operation Protective Edge there was a significant increase in the number of anti-Semitic incidents, compared to the rest of the year. As usual, highest totals of antisemitic incidents have been found in states where there is a large Jewish population: New York State- 231 incidents, California- 184 incidents, New Jersey- 107 incidents, Florida- 70 incidents. In all of this states, more antisemitic incidents were counted in 2014 than last year

The attacks are also increasing year to year. What has changed? A huge influx of Muslims since 9/11 and it is growing. As will hate crimes against Israel and her people in the US. Coincidence?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Islamopohobia

Sorry for all the edits I accidentally posted too early. Bare with me as I update.

Here is a list of all the anti-muslim attacks THIS year. The total is currently 28. Quick, someone name all the islamic terrorist attacks that have hit the united states this year. Wait that's easy. The number is 0.

Seriously, anyone who doesn't see that Islamophobia is a growing concern needs to wake up.

Just this year then? Well let us just say these are all good examples.......its not like the other side hasnt been in swing for awhile. easy to set back now that the thing is on a roll and say "look at all the anti Muslim wahh wahh wahhh".

Oh lets look at the death toll shall we? What about Muslims 2000+ other guy 0 or some slick.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: luthier
In general Americans need educating on other parts of the world. So they fear things they may not understand.

I'd say this is more true than anything else. Americans let themselves get too isolated in their own personal bubbles and refuse to learn about things outside of it. So when reality threatens that bubble they lash out violently and without thinking it through. Some of the very people making fun of me in this thread will be looking back on these times in 20 or so years from now and regretting their actions.

You seem to be totally oblivious to provocation. Americans let themselves get to isolated? Not only is this a fiction invented by the propaganda spewers on the dark side its also not an excuse for mass murdering your non-Muslim neighbors.

a reply to: spinalremain

a reply to: spinalremain

Yes, it would absolutely be in the best interest of the US, of Syrians, of the entire middle east if the US supported Assad, because of what taking Assad out actually means.

However, the US has an absolute hard-on for Assad, they don't appear to care what the descent into civil war will mean, and how it will effect everyone. Til now, I have given some benefit of the doubt to the US, because there may be something classified we don't know.

But whatever their reasons, whether they are good or bad, its better for the Syrian people and the middle east and the west to keep Assad in power, but I have wondered if we don't know everything/haven't been given all the facts of this matter.

What I did, was write to my congressmen that I don't support the war and am 100% against it for these reasons, and will stand against it unless the decide to tell us a real reason why they are doing this because no one is ignorant of the situation there - even before we decided to support the removal of Assad. So in my opinion, they can tell us why, or they can have us speak against it in letter after letter to our congressmen.

Bu,they don't listen or seem to care whether or not they have any support, all you get is propaganda blasted all over the media in an effort to make what they are doing to seem feasible - which with the information we know, it most certainly is not. They just keep spouting one lie after the other.

But oddly, I am beginning to see it much like what is happening in Europe anymore, The leaders in the EU know what will happen with this flood of immigrants like this, yet they don't seem to mind at all what all this will do to their countries. Our world politicians these days seem to have an agenda, and its one that will do nothing but hurt all of us.

And sadly, it makes you wonder what they think to gain, with the destruction of all our societies.

a reply to: spinalremain

Not that you don't make some good points, you do.

But you are ignoring some of the realities of the situation. For example, I think it is a universal value that you don't murder children. Assad's use of chemicals - according to most reports - state around 250,000 children were killed. According to the Syrians, it was closer to 500,000. These were mostly toddlers, or very young children. You can go to ytube and see vid after vid of the bodies laid out. Some of them showing those babies taking their last breaths, in the confused state of death. I think you should watch them. Maybe you will gain more of an understanding for the reason for global intervention. Those young bodies didn't do well with those chemicals. AT ALL.

You are also disregarding the fact that that war had been going on for four years before the outside countries bombing started. Much of Syria was rubble, and there was many dead before we - or others - began our bombing.

By your take, the rest of the world should have remained quiet and not intervened when Hitler was killing Jews. There is not much of a difference with Assad, when you look at the numbers.

Syria before and after the war. Most of 'after' pictures were taken before outside intervention. They were the result of the civil war.


I chose the two vids randomly. Watch at your own emotional risk. I can't watch them, but I know what they are. row after row of dead toddlers and children. Assad's doing.
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Maybe you will still think we should have done nothing to stop the babies being killed. But it difficult for even the coldest person to see what's happening, and not feel compelled to try and stop it. It's one of the reasons why 'war is hell".