Police Begin Fingerprinting on Traffic Stops (from ATSNN)

In Green Bay police have started fingerprinting people when they stop to give them a ticket for a traffic violation. This is meant to protect people from others claiming to be you. They are trying to prevent identity thief. You have the right to refuse your fingerprint without risking arrest.



Here's another violation of our rights, even if we can refuse to give our fingerprints without being arrested. This is like the seatbelt law, it wasn't mandatory for years and now it is. Americans need to fight these bogus laws before we can't take dump without being hit with some type of violation.

I totally agree. Americans are starting to ignore small laws such as this. Which is horrible. Things like this add up. and then go un-noticed.. And eventually they have taken away all of our rights. Its amaizing to think of the lengths that the Government has gone to to take away our rights... The worst of all is when they killed thousands on 9/11, just to take away our rights, and freedoms in the name of "security."

the seatbelt laws are NOT bogus!!

if you actually think you have a "right" to choose wether to wear a seatbelt or not is your choice; and if your caught you must pay a fine

this is meant to save your life!! i cant believe you actually can argue that its "wrong" to force people to buckle their seatbelts!!

people are stupid and they need a govt to keep them alive because they are constantly making idotic decisions that end up killing them

seatbelts save far more lives than they take; and everyone should have to use them

not using your seatbelt is a "suicidal" mindset, and thats crazy!!

fingerprinting people at traffic stops IS going TOO far! yes i agree

but seatbelt laws have a POINT and they MAKE SENSE because they SAVE LIVES....
if you argue agianst SAVING peoples LIVES than you obviously WANT them dead!!!

im sorry to jump down your throat but im from Texas and seatbelt laws have saved tens of thousands of lives here
fatality rates in accidents have plummeted since the laws have been introduced

www.nhtsa.dot.gov...

"Of the 31,910 vehicle occupants killed in crashes in 2001, 60 percent were not wearing a safety belt. [The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Annual Assessment of Motor Vehicle Crashes, 2001]

Safety belts saved 13,274 lives in 2001, and if all vehicle occupants over age 4 had been wearing safety belts, 7,334 more lives could have been saved, NHTSA estimates. [NHTSA, Traffic Safety Facts Overview, 2001]

Each percentage-point increase in safety belt use represents 2.8 million more people buckling up, 250 more lives saved and 6,400 serious injuries prevented annually, NHTSA estimates. [NHTSA, FY2003 Performance Plan, 2002]

Safety belt use has increased significantly in the past few years, but more must be done. Safety belt use in the United States rose to 75 percent in 2002 from 58 percent in 1994. [NHTSA, National Occupant Protection Use Survey, June 2002]

Seventy-three percent of the people who were in a fatal crash in 2001 and were restrained survived; of those who were not restrained, only 44 percent survived. [NHTSA, Annual Assessment of Motor Vehicle Crashes, 2001]

In fatal crashes, 75 percent of all passenger car occupants who were totally ejected were killed. Only 1 percent of those occupants had been using a safety belt. [NHTSA, Traffic Safety Facts Overview, 2001]

In the past 26 years, safety belts prevented 135,000 fatalities and 3.8 million injuries, saving $585 billion in medical and other costs. If all vehicle occupants had used safety belts during that period, nearly 315,000 deaths and 5.2 million injuries could have been prevented � and $913 billion in costs saved. [NHTSA, Economic Impact of Crashes, 2002]

In 2000, the deaths and serious injuries prevented by safety belts resulted in savings of $50 billion in medical care, lost productivity and other injury-related costs. [NHTSA, Economic Impact of Crashes, 2002]

Motor vehicle crashes in 2000 cost a total of $230.6 billion, an amount equal to 2.3 percent of the gross domestic product, or $820 for every person living in the United States. [NHTSA, Economic Impact of Crashes, 2002]

In 2000, the economic cost to society was more than $977,000 for each crash fatality and an average of $1.1 million for each critically injured person. [NHTSA, Economic Impact of Crashes, 2002]

The general public pays nearly three-quarters of all crash costs, primarily through insurance premiums, taxes, delays and lost productivity. [NHTSA, Economic Impact of Crashes, 2002]

So If the government told you tomorrow what you could or couldn�t eat for dinner, because they where concerned about your future health and that you might have a heart attack 10 years from now and increase everyone�s medical insurance rates, you�d be alright with that then?

Finger printing you for a traffic stop is pretty blatantly Illegal Search and Seizure. Of course that would be up to the interpretation of the court, but if they tried to finger print me on the side of the road, not only would I refuse, but I would drive immediately to the local federal courthouse and file a civil complaint as use of a state organization to violate your rights falls under federal law. Damn man, just read another here on ATS about some students getting strip searched... How much further we going to let this crap go?
As far as the seat belt laws, it would be fine if their motivation was actually saving lives, but it's not. It's about insurance companies, and I am sick to death of my rights being secondary to profit making concerns of privatized industry. They are doing the same thing with the new black box data recorders for personal vehicles, rather than being concerned about your safety, they are concerned about your liability, and their wallet. Same thing with drug screening for private employers, they don't give a rat's arse as long as you are doing your job, but if they can cancel your claim for workers compensation because you smoked a joint a weel before it happened... Corporate America has seized the soverignty of this nation, the people are no longer in power and post is a good example of their methods.

muzzleflash, the seatbelt law may save some lives, but it also causes some deaths. Did you know that the accident rate went up, because of the seatbelt law. People think they can drive more recklessly with a seatbelt on. The seatbelt law also gives the police a reason to stop drivers that don't violate any traffic laws. People risk their lives in many areas daily, from sports to your own job, to eating junk food which causes heart attacks to smoking which causes lung cancer. How about alcohol, do you drink? I hope not, cause that stuff kills you slowly and is a much worse death then a quick car accident!

Its just another scam for them to make money off the people. Do you know how much they make off of US people on speeding tickets alone per year? 10 billion States were forced to make it manditory by the government.

Just when I thought I heard everything! Now this takes the cake. I think that this may infring on our right to privacy. I can't see having to submit to fingerprinting due to a ordanary traffic stop. It makes me wonder just where the law enforcement people are going to stop. If they were to stop me and wanted to do the fingerprint thing I would object like crazy. I don't see how they can get away with this and I also wonder about the legality of it.

Sounds to me like they just want to put a fingerprint on the ticket itself incase the someone says that it wasn't them.
Having been the vitctim of identity theft,losing my license,and even being arrested and force to pay 1,000 bond to get out,I would agree with the fingerprinting if it prevent's it from happening again.,some banks have you put your thumprint on a check if you don't have an account with them.


Someone used my name in a traffic stop for speeding,I didn't lose my license for that,but did get arrested on it because the person that got the ticket didn't show up for court.I lost my license because the person didn't show proof of insurance.The ticket got thrown out after fighting it,but the state wanted me to pay a $800 reinstatement fee for the no insurance,even though I proved in court it wasn't me.I refused and drove on a suspended license for three years until the suspension was over an got my license back for 20 bucks.

I would gladly support this if it meant not having to do this again.

My two cents
Simon

well in South Australia if you get arrested (without even being charged) you will be forced to get fingerprinted AND DNA tested from a swab of saliva from your mouth.

Suddenly the chinese policestate doesn't seem so scary anymore...

But as FLYIN HIGH stated, the day you wake up and find out there are 2, 3, or 4 other people out there who are "you",you would be yelling and screaming "Why wasn't something done!" As stated in the first post, they aren't going to hold you down and fingerprint you. I know for a fact, that there is "another me" out there, they keep showing up on my credit reports...and they love to move around the country.

The newest trend in identity theft.....Walk in to a major retailer with someones info, open a credit account...charge away.... then when you--the victim--get the bill, of course you are not going to pay...how you going to prove it wasn't you that opened the credit account? Think the major credit reporting agencys are going to say "Oh OK, it was someone else" Nope it will be a long time before you can get that off your report.

Originally posted by NetStorm
As stated in the first post, they aren't going to hold you down and fingerprint you.

Well they grabbed my fingers and put them on the ink block and then onto the paper if that's counted as being held down. The ink also stained my hands too. Wouldnt properly come off with soap. ( all for a mere drunken offence which I was never convicted of.

Originally posted by sugeshotcha

Originally posted by NetStorm
As stated in the first post, they aren't going to hold you down and fingerprint you.

Well they grabbed my fingers and put them on the ink block and then onto the paper if that's counted as being held down. The ink also stained my hands too. Wouldnt properly come off with soap.

( all for a mere drunken offence which I was never convicted of.

But that was in Australia, not in the US. I'm sorry it happend to you, but my whole point was that you can refuse the fingerprinting as per the first post..

How many of you travel? Got a passport? Then your fingerprints are on file. Should we not fingerprint people if they are going to work in a sensitive area, just because it violates their provacy? Got kids? Should we not fingerprint the daycare worker? Should we not check out the teacher who is going to spend more time with your child than you are ?(And I mean no disprespect by that, I am referring to the schedule that a lot of people with children-and those without- have)See where I am going with this?
There is a bad and a good in everything

people are stupid and they need a govt to keep them alive because they are constantly making idotic decisions that end up killing them

Ummm, yeah...and if you believe this, "Citizen", then you are exactly the kind of sheep that the NWO is looking for... haha...because when mankind feels that it is time for the government to play mama and daddy, protecting us and keeping us safe from harm...then we as a civilization and society are lost.

God gave each of us a brain...use it or loose it!

So, what is the next step to “protect” us from Identity Theft?

Let me guess a subdermal RFID chip.

Sorry, but I for one would never be able to submit to such a thing solely based on Religious convictions.

This makes no sense. If they were doing this to prevent ID theft, the fingerprinting would be mandatory. It doesnt seem like they will accomplish much in the way of ID theft protection by giving you an op out of the finger printing. Someone could say they were you decline to be finger printed. What good does that do?

I am sure it is a test program to check public response. Once they see that they can get away with it, without too much public outcry, and that most will submit, it will most likely become mandatory. One more freedom eroded away.

[edit on 1/10/2005 by defcon5]

Ok, I know this is not part of the point of topic, but I have to veer off onto this.

Muzzle, it is not the job of the government to make me do things that might be beneficial to my health. I am not a ward of the state and they are not my keeper; not as the country and the constitution was created - understand? They have no constitutional grounds for citing me for not doing what might save my life.

Now, having said that, allow me to say this. When your car stops suddenly, your body is free to continue if it is not seatbelted to the car. There are cases where a human missile has killed others outside of the point of origin car. I have no right to fly out of my car and kill another human in another car. Because of this, and the fact that it is easier to maintain control of my car when I am secured to it, I wear the seatbelt. It is the responsible thing to do.

The idea of fingerprinting to ensure identity is about as stupid a reason to collect personal information as I have heard in a long time. It is as stupid as suggesting a nation ID card in order to fight terrorism.

It's just another way for them to invade your rights and eventually say everyone has to have a chip implanted to "PROTECT YOU" from identity thief. Refuse to let them fingerprint you.

I think that you have hit the nail on the head. It is not the government’s job to infringe on my rights to do anything, unless what I am doing infringes on the rights of someone else.

Personally I choose to wear my seat belt, even back when it was not mandatory, because I felt uncomfortable/unsafe not wearing one.

Nevertheless, I fear the real reason behind all of this is not safety, the war on terror, to cut down on identity theft, or whatnot. The real reason behind it is simpler…

Control.
Control = Power.

If I remember some of your other posts, you and I are on somewhat of the same frequency on such topics as prophecy, just follow the trend.
First, it was Biometric data on the licenses.
Now, its finger printing for none arrestable offences.
Where I am there is a drastic push to get people to purchase RFID transmitters for their cars for toll roads. (Even charging less if you have one, special lanes, etc)
Police have been using these Toll RFID's as tracking devices recently.
Europe has RFID license plates that are being tracked.
Now we suddenly have to replace our plates every 5 years.
The legislation is in place to allow a National ID card.
Almost anything you buy at WalMart or CVS now is RFID tagged.

Is it just me or is there a pattern starting to show up here?
One that seems to point to a certain prophecy I recall in Revelations.