Was a stolen 9mm handgun planted on LaVoy Finicum after his death by the FBI?

a reply to: wildb

I heard the last part of this and Victoria had pretty much finished talking about what you were hearing when you posted.

I will say both Victoria and Shawna are convinced "the Lord" protected them from the barrage of bullets hitting the truck and it's the only reason they are alive. Victoria was quite vocal about this in this Google Hangout. Some pastor they all mentioned (the three hosts and Victoria) was admonished for suggesting it wasn't all lethal bullets hitting the truck.

There's been the question online as to how many lethal bullets hit the truck and how many non-lethal projectiles of various types were involved during the barrage of gun fire directed at the truck. Both women believe they were meant to be murdered but were protected by the Lord.

There was a lot of praising the Lord in this chat.

originally posted by: dragonridr
Any movement not expected is liable to get you killed.Proper response would have been put his hands behind his head drop to his knees and wait until they tell him to move. Doing this we wouldn't even be discussing what happened to him.

That is the way the US is today isn't it. One move with no weapon seen and your dead....

I'm thinking he was already shot and he looked well under duress like he didn't know what to do. Do you think the non-professional criminal would know what to do and not go into some fright response? I say this because professional criminals know what to do, but the average Joe out there doesn't since they never experienced anything like that in their whole lives. Have cops scream orders at you and you might not know either.

I'm an older guy and not too distant past there needed to be a gun and a reasonable move that the gun was to be used. In most cases the gun was fired already.

We are at the point that the cop just needs to say they felt threaten and it is justified. We have seen recently in many of these death by cop cases there wasn't a gun, or even if a gun was suspected, it wasn't a real gun and nothing got to the point before the person was killed with real, fake or no gun was there truly any threatening manners.

Many of these cases are sickening since the justice department says it was OK because the cop only felt threaten. In this case did he draw a gun? Did they even know he had a gun until well after he was dead? One would think if cops had drawn on him there is no way he could pull out a gun and even get it up to point at the cops before he was dead.

What ever happen to the old "GUN!" call before open fire lol

a reply to: Xtrozero
Heck, there's a video contained within a thread on ATS showing a man with no shirt on, holding his hands above his head and he was still shot dead. Cops said his hands being over his head was a threat as I recall. Seems to me it was in California but I could be wrong.
I've spoken with numerous former LEOs over the past few days. One is a retired police chief. He has watched the video and has about the same critique as the YouTube made by a former LEO. "Most messed-up thing I've ever witnessed." was one of his milder comments. Admitting that training is different these days, he also admits to never having fired his weapon in the line of duty in 27 years of service. Says he only drew it from his holster half a dozen times in his entire career. A lot of the fellows at the shooting range are retired LEOs and military and share the opinion that things are out of hand. "Too many 'roided-up psychos" as one former KSP Captain put it.
I think that is reason we're seeing the rise of groups like Oathkeepers. The only problem I see with those organizations is the issue of politics gets inserted and diverts attention from the real issues.

Was there a stolen handgun in his pocket? I don't know.
Was there a gun in his pocket at all? I don't know.
Do I believe the same FBEyes that told the tall tales about Randy Weaver? No.
Do I believe the same DOJ that told the tall tales about Waco? No.
Their record for truthfulness isn't good. Nor is, apparently, the records of some of the federal prosecutors involved in the Hammond case.
www.oregonlive.com...
This story leads to several others....see sidebar.
And this prosecutor has mental issues evidently....also involved in the Hammond case
www.oregonlive.com...

The health issue seems to be that she is crazy as a betsy bug if what her employees allege is true. Oh, excuse me, she suffers from PTSD which compelled her to send hundreds of text messages to one of her subordinates at all times of the night.... That's very common with people who suffer PTSD isn't it?
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This whole nest of vipers seems ready to erupt. Time to pop the zit and let the corruption drain.
Could anyone blame the people if they took tar and feathers and headed out for the liars and criminals in government?

originally posted by: diggindirt

Was there a stolen handgun in his pocket? I don't know.
Was there a gun in his pocket at all? I don't know.

We do know a gun was never drawn before he was killed.... We do know that no one had threaten anyone with a gun up to that point too, so it is not like they could say he was armed and dangerous.

There is a You Tube of some young skinny guy, most likely slightly high or drunk, turn around to the cop and lift up his shirt with both hands to show he wasn't carrying and was killed with an OK from the Justice department. Kind of hard to shoot at a cop with both hands holding a shirt...sad

7 pages of them on you Tube...

a reply to: Xtrozero
Yes, the guys at the shooting range agree with you. These are guys that carry. Stuff like this makes them nervous. They're former LEOs and old enough to understand the message being sent by such a public execution.

Listen very carefully to what this former FBI agent has to say. If it doesn't make your hair stand up...
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My attention was directed to this video by a judge. He says he is personally going to send this fool a copy of the Constitution with the First Amendment highlighted. Traveling to another county to spread the protest message is freedom of association, not provocation. If traveling across county lines to assemble and spread a message against the government is provocation, then every person who is a member of a political party not in power can be shot on the side of the road. He pointed out that if these "rules" had been in place in the '60s I would probably have been shot in Red River Gorge when we occupied it to stop a dam being built. We were young and stupid and defiant. But lucky for us, back then the National Forest Service or the Corps of Engineers didn't have SWAT or tanks at their beck and call.

a reply to: diggindirt

He said that they were "spreading the protest" and that that was a provocation.

Seriously, traveling to a community meeting where they were guest speakers is actually the defense for this ambush.

I call it an ambush because setting up a hidden roadblock in the way that they did is equivalent to ramming the vehicle at speed. It's amazing that Finicum managed to avoid a collision which appears to have been the intent.

originally posted by: snypwsd
The guy theatened cops. The guy said he will not go in a cell.

Can you cite a source or sources to document these claims, that he "threatened cops", that he said "he will not go in a cell"?

originally posted by: spirit_horse
However, he did state his intentions to die before going to jail.

Can you cite a source proving this claim?

originally posted by: TheBadCabbie

originally posted by: spirit_horse
However, he did state his intentions to die before going to jail.

Can you cite a source proving this claim?

He said it to a bloody camera crew. In an interview. Go google 'Tarp Man'.

originally posted by: FamCore
Barbara Davis is the woman who looked into the Serial Number of the 9mm they found on LaVoy.

Please show a official source that states a gun with that serial number was found on Lavoy...

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

He said it to a bloody camera crew. In an interview. Go google 'Tarp Man'.

Can you cite that? I've seen an MSNBC interview where the reporter is trying like crazy to get Mr. Finicum to make a threatening statement, an extremely leading interview, where Mr. Finicum does not say that; but, I have yet to come across the video where he clearly says he won't be taken alive, or that he has a desire to engage in violence with the authorities. I've created a thread on the man here, that contains several interviews wherein he states that he has no desire to battle the authorities. I'm not closed minded to the possibility that he made such a statement, but I haven't seen it. I have seen a lot of media misconstruction, however.

a reply to: snypwsd

In my opinion, you should go back to school....learn proper grammar and spelling. And take a friggin civics course, learn about the constitution, and learn what treason actually is. Oh, and read up on terrorism.

You are mistaken - about a great many things, it would appear.

a reply to: dragonridr

He didn't have his holster on, this has been confirmed. The gun was supposedly in his inside jacket pocket.

a reply to: hellobruce

The picture of the gun is there for everyone to see, serial number and all...however the source that it was once reported stolen is questionable and probably false.

originally posted by: raymundoko

The picture of the gun is there for everyone to see, serial number and all

So where is this picture.... funny how you do not want to show it!

...however the source that it was once reported stolen is questionable and probably false.

The same "source" claimed Finicum was shot in the face.... which we know is just a lie.

a reply to: hellobruce

Are you that lazy bro? Have you even been tracking this case?

Source

Direct link image from Oregon Live

To everyone else following this case, don't be as lazy as this guy. Funny how he can't even use the google, or watch the news...

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: hellobruce

Are you that lazy bro? Have you even been tracking this case?

Source

Direct link image from Oregon Live

You seem confused, the serial number mentioned in the first post was SN: 54119868

The gun you linked to has a SN of 331-35894

a reply to: hellobruce

You seem confused. I did not make that claim. I said:

The picture of the gun is there for everyone to see, serial number and all

And then pointed out that the source for the OP was most likely false.

New documents were released today. Find the PDF here

Scroll down to page 68 to find the following:

(click image to enlarge).

So, no, the 9mm wasn't stolen. It belonged to his step-son, who reports he gave it to Finicum.

BTW, if you go to the previous page (p.67), you will seen that not all of the other occupants were unarmed, as claimed.
A .40 pistol was removed from Ryan Payne's person.

a reply to: Olivine

Thank you! I refreshed the tab I have open with the investigation documents on it and I see the new addition. More reading!

The people at the refuge must not have been familiar with this particular gun because they thought he left all of his guns at the refuge. A photo shows long guns stored under the back seat. LaVoy had a lot of gear stowed away in his truck. He was a self-admitted, long-time prepper.

The step-son verified the gun. If he truly hadn't it would be all over the Internet. I'll give it a bit of time.

Sometime ago I stated I'd like to find out who, the real who, started the stolen gun rumor and the nine shots to LaVoy's body, one in the face rumor. I hope that person is outed.