flood/pyramid question.

I remember hearing that the sphinx in Egypt had water damage possibly dating it to older then the pyramids. Could this water damage been caused by the great flood? ( if it acually happened) and has the pyramids been studied for water damage since they would have been submerged as well. Depending on how long the flood happened could We/have We found some evidence on the pyramid?

The water damage is confined to the lower sections of the sphinx I believe, so it has nothing to do with a worldwide flood otherwise the entire sphinx would have water damage, not just the lower portion.

originally posted by: gflyg
I remember hearing that the sphinx in Egypt had water damage possibly dating it to older then the pyramids. Could this water damage been caused by the great flood? ( if it acually happened) and has the pyramids been studied for water damage since they would have been submerged as well. Depending on how long the flood happened could We/have We found some evidence on the pyramid?

The water damage most likely came from an easy answer.
It was surrounded by water at some point in it's life, you have to remember that it's rather old, and the amount of time it was around it may have been a pond or something flowing around it.

Who knows.

As for the great flood, it's not the most likely answer.

a reply to: gflyg

great question.

I find it perplexing that the sphinx is significantly older than the Pyramids.

In doing a quick search I did find this interesting article about an Egyptian sphinx found in Israel - just thought I would share

www.cnn.com...

The fact that there's no mention of a global flood in any ancient Egyptian records should be enough to tell you that it didn't happen.

a reply to: gflyg

The damage was runoff from top to bottom as from rain. It cut deep ruts like waterfalls do.

There seems to be no damage otherwise as to submersion or surrounded by water.

Rut/cuts top to bottom body lengthwise are observable in most any Sphinx photos from any source.

As from rain, above.

a reply to: gflyg

There has never been a great flood because there isn't enough water on the planet to cover all the land.

a reply to: gflyg

It's erosion. The damage yes, could be associated with rain fall. How ever this is the desert with varying levels of sand and other abrasive sediment that moves with the air and can cause similar erosion.

Yes, the sphinx and the surrounding quarry walls show signs of erosion that suggest there is erosion from water in the form of rain fall. It is not definitive, as a similar erosion pattern is possible simply from the earth around the sphinx.

originally posted by: Aeshma
a reply to: gflyg

It's erosion. The damage yes, could be associated with rain fall. How ever this is the desert with varying levels of sand and other abrasive sediment that moves with the air and can cause similar erosion.

Yes, the sphinx and the surrounding quarry walls show signs of erosion that suggest there is erosion from water in the form of rain fall. It is not definitive, as a similar erosion pattern is possible simply from the earth around the sphinx.

As some would say...
Waterdamage from precipitation tends to go vertically, whereas windblown sand tends to go horizontally, and you will in fact also see a lot of horizontal damage on the sfinx.

originally posted by: Prezbo369
The fact that there's no mention of a global flood in any ancient Egyptian records should be enough to tell you that it didn't happen.

Actually, just the opposite is the more likely scenario considering the fact that Egyptian history is anything BUT a credible source..

There's also no mention of the Hebrew slaves in Egyptian records...

That doesn't mean that it never happened.

Egyptian historians used the falsification of history as a mind control technique the same way TPTB use the MSM of today.

"It was also illegal to record any history in Egypt that made the Pharaoh look bad. That is why they did not record the God of the slaves whooping their butts. If any scribe did that, he probably would have been killed. As an Atheist friend of mine who loved Egypt told me, Egyptian history was basically propaganda." Source

“There are two histories: official history, lying, and then secret history, where you find the real causes of events.” ~ Honoré de Balzac

"History is more or less bunk." ~ Henry Ford

"The falsification of history has done more to impede human development than any one thing known to mankind" - Rousseau

“The biggest cover-up in the history of mankind is the history of mankind itself”

Just like the MSM, history essentially serves as a primary tool for social conditioning.

Many times the search for truth requires looking in exactly the opposite direction of what propaganda is telling us, and that definitely includes history.

In U.S. Army Intelligence, I was trained that the truth most often lies in the exact opposite direction of the public rhetoric. You must learn this technique if you are to successfully glean the truth from news reports.

LEARNING TO THINK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF PROPAGANDA

In ancient Egypt, the Flood hero was Toth who survived the Deluge along with the Seven Sages. The odds are astronomically long that these supposedly distinct civilizations would have the same legend of a global Flood with eight people surviving from the pre-Flood population that was led by a series of ten kings if it were not real history that happens to corroborate the Genesis account.

And the odds become even longer that Noah's Flood is not an historical fact when one considers the hundreds of tribes from around the world that have ancestral knowledge of the global Flood. And yet, we are expected to ignore this overwhelming evidence because it contradicts current mainstream science and archaeology.

The Ancients Knew of the Global Flood

a reply to: Murgatroid

And the odds become even longer that Noah's Flood is not an historical fact when one considers the hundreds of tribes from around the world that have ancestral knowledge of the global Flood. And yet, we are expected to ignore this overwhelming evidence because it contradicts current mainstream science and archaeology.

For too long Main Stream Science was forced to interpret what they were looking at in a way that distorts time and adds thousands of years to the story as to how things formed . This Vid is a very good example as to just how quickly a 600 foot canyon can be carved out of rock ,and how many layers of deposits can happen in days and not take thousands of years .

a reply to: Murgatroid

The problem you have is that the ancient Egyptian civilization existed prior to the dates given for the flood and carried on for many centuries after.

So unless you think noah and his seven kin went on to reproduce enough to account for all the slaves that built the pyramids......this tale of supernatural genocide should be considered a myth or an old wives tale.

But quote more people's opinions, especially folk like Henry Ford (??) and more links to home-made Creationist Web pages.....

a reply to: gflyg

No, it couldn't have anything to do with the world wide flood because all evidence in the world points to a world-wide flood having been impossible.

Smaller, regional flood though? Probably.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Why would Egypt have to lie about a world wide flood? You should be able to look for evidence of a world wide flood ANYWHERE in the world. Not just Egypt.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
No, it couldn't have anything to do with the world wide flood because all evidence in the world points to a world-wide flood having been impossible.

Beliefs such as yours are one of the primary reasons that I no longer look at mainstream academia as a credible source...

Academic "evidence" has been demonstrated to be laughably incorrect far too many times for my taste.

Which is why I no longer trust a single thing they say.

Scientific fundamentalism is a blind faith that tries to masquerade as "KNAWLEGE" when in fact it is not.

originally posted by: lonewolf19792000
I hate to burst your bubble of self delusion but it must be done. Archaeology has already proved the "great flood" in fact has happened.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Why would Egypt have to lie about a world wide flood? You should be able to look for evidence of a world wide flood ANYWHERE in the world.

Because of the stealth agenda behind "Science", they will NEVER admit that evidence of a world wide flood exists.

For this reason alone, I view native global flood legends as FACT and see so called "Science" as the REAL myth...

originally posted by: CherubBaby
Native global flood stories are documented as history or legend in almost every region on earth. Old world missionaries reported their amazement at finding remote tribes already possessing legends with tremendous similarities to the Bible's accounts of the worldwide flood. H.S. Bellamy in Moons, Myths and Men estimates that altogether there are over 500 Flood legends worldwide. Ancient civilizations such as (China, Babylonia, Wales, Russia, India, America, Hawaii, Scandinavia, Sumatra, Peru, and Polynesia) all have their own versions of a giant flood.

originally posted by: Sun Matrix
It's hard to find a culture without a flood story........Noah is the real deal.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short
Flood myths are almost universal, and the one of the Miao people in China has preserved the names of all the patriarchs of Genesis PHONETICALLY for all those centuries. Yes, they got the names of Noah, his wife, and his sons all correct, sounding more than merely recognizable. I can't buy the local flood theories - I mean there were and are local floods, but the big one is preserved in the entire sedimentary layers around the world. You can interpret them as laid down during millions of years if you want, but I think rapid deposition is at least a valid an interpretation.

"And the odds become even longer that Noah's Flood is not an historical fact when one considers the hundreds of tribes from around the world that have ancestral knowledge of the global Flood. And yet, we are expected to ignore this overwhelming evidence because it contradicts current mainstream science and archaeology.

Hundreds of tribal legends and ancient accounts from Egypt, Babylon, and the Indus confirm the account of Noah's Flood from the book of Genesis. These tribes and ancient cultures obviously had no interest in copying a Hebrew account about a global Flood, therefore, all of these accounts must have been independently derived by the various people-groups' ancestors from the eight who were on the vessel that endured the global Flood. When the eight reproduced and spread out across the Middle East, and soon thereafter, much of the world (as some were demonstrably excellent mariners), the memory of the worldwide Flood was retained, and to a not-surprisingly great degree."

The Ancients Knew of the Global Flood

What is the significance of the various flood legends? The answer seems obvious: (a) we have well over 200 flood legends that tell of a great flood (and possibly more than 500); (b) many of the legends come from different ages and civilizations that could not possibly have copied any of the similar legends; (c) the legends were recorded long before any missionaries arrived to relate to them the Genesis account of Noah; and (d) almost all civilizations have some sort of flood legend. The conclusion to be drawn from such facts is that in the distant past, there was a colossal flood that forever affected the history of all civilizations.

Preserved in the myths and legends of almost every people on the face of the globe is the memory of the great catastrophe. While myths may not have any scientific value, yet they are significant in indicating the fact that an impression was left in the minds of the races of mankind that could not be erased.

Legends of the Flood

originally posted by: FatherLukeDuke
And here is the clincher that is unarguable proof of the great flood: Petrified clams in the closed position (found all over the world) testify to their rapid burial while they were still alive, even on top of Mount Everest.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Ok tell you what. Prove me wrong and go into your back yard and dig up evidence for the world wide flood. I'll wait.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Honestly Krazy, not trying to be snarky here but no amount of evidence is going to convince you of something you are convinced does not exist.

What good is evidence going to do you if you refuse to believe it?

originally posted by: Murgatroid
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Honestly Krazy, not trying to be snarky here but no amount of evidence is going to convince you of something you are convinced does not exist.

Honestly Murg, I told you exactly what you need to do to convince me. You are now just deflecting and making excuses because you know my request can't happen because the evidence doesn't exist.

What good is evidence going to do you if you refuse to believe it?

Making up my response to your evidence doesn't relieve you of your duty to provide the evidence for your claims. I told you it is easy to prove to me that a world wide flood happened. Just dig in a random location ANYWHERE in the world and show me evidence of flooding that isn't part of a small, regional flood.

You know deep down that no world wide flood has happened, otherwise you'd be racing to do this very thing. Instead you rely on myth stories to prove your point. *Yawn* I only care about objective evidence.

a reply to: Murgatroid

Because of the stealth agenda behind "Science", they will NEVER admit that evidence of a world wide flood exists. 

For this reason alone, I view native global flood legends as FACT and see so called "Science" as the REAL myth... 

.....you say while posting on an Internet forum via some form of electrical device from across the planet......

And then quote posts from other ATS Creationists asthough it's evidence.....

originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: Murgatroid

Because of the stealth agenda behind "Science", they will NEVER admit that evidence of a world wide flood exists. 

For this reason alone, I view native global flood legends as FACT and see so called "Science" as the REAL myth... 

.....you say while posting on an Internet forum via some form of electrical device from across the planet......

And then quote posts from other ATS Creationists asthough it's evidence.....

You are correct in your assumption.It is evidence of very deep delusional intellectual dishonesty based in in confirmation bias to be so duplicitous.