'Islamophobia' the term used to forgive a multitude of sins!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

My mistake, I thought you were comparing veterans and gun owners with islamic extremists.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: greencmp

It certainly isn't part of the doctrine.

Which doctrine, specifically?

To whom does it belong, specifically?

Show me where peace and understanding are emphasized.

In which doctrine should I peruse?

The Hadith?
The Quran?
The Gospels?
Psalms?

Which sect's doctrine?

Wahhabi?
Sunni?
Sufi?
Shia?
Salafi?


You see how ridiculous these broad statements are now?

Or are you going to continue to be vague with sweeping generalisations?

Or you could show me a reference to peace and understanding.

You know, the charge I made that you are responding to.

You made the original claim.

I asked for specifics so I could help you.


Clearly you don't know as much about Islam as you make out or you would direct me to your concerns instead of vaguely making baseless statements.

My claim is that it isn't there. I cannot prove a negative but, you can prove me wrong.

There could be no better invitation to refute my claim.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

That's an interesting point you raise KS, I view the whole "your religion sucks and mine rocks" arguments that go on, to me viewing it from the outside, they appear almost like children squabbling over playground territory.

One is as ludicrous as the other in terms of their justifications as to why one is better than the other. The psychology behind this is simple, a person who yells very loudly against another religion is trying very hard to convince themselves their choice or indoctrination into a religion (whichever way they came to that faith) was the right choice, the right god, the right afterlife reward.

*shrugs, walks away and does something useful for the rest of the day.

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: greencmp

It certainly isn't part of the doctrine.

Which doctrine, specifically?

To whom does it belong, specifically?

Show me where peace and understanding are emphasized.

In which doctrine should I peruse?

The Hadith?
The Quran?
The Gospels?
Psalms?

Which sect's doctrine?

Wahhabi?
Sunni?
Sufi?
Shia?
Salafi?


You see how ridiculous these broad statements are now?

Or are you going to continue to be vague with sweeping generalisations?

Or you could show me a reference to peace and understanding.

You know, the charge I made that you are responding to.

You made the original claim.

I asked for specifics so I could help you.


Clearly you don't know as much about Islam as you make out or you would direct me to your concerns instead of vaguely making baseless statements.

My claim is that it isn't there. I cannot prove a negative but, you can prove me wrong.

There could be no better invitation to refute my claim.

Uhhh, you said "there is no peace and understanding in the doctrine"...

I asked what specific doctrine you were talking about.


Quran verses that mention the treaties with Christians & Jews?
The Constitution of Medina which was the originator or freedom of religion?
Psalms from the Bible?


Maybe I should have just pointed out Jesus is one of the most revered Prophets in Islam and our Messiah...
Tell me something more peaceful & understanding that the values of Jesus Christ.




I'll wait.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: Krazysh0t
What are you talking about. You claimed that the difference between 1% and 15% is insignificant. It is not. It is times 15 as much. Since we are talking percentages of total population numbers, nothing is skewed or distorted at all.

The point I am making there is that both percentages fall in the "extreme minority" bracket of a country's total population. You are more likely to see ANYONE else than a Muslim in a country with either of those percentages.

As opposed to whining about supposed ad hom attacks......

I stopped that when I told you that I'd let a mod settle this dispute. Why are you harping on this still? Are you maybe afraid that you'll get in trouble or something? Like I said, let the mods determine wrong doing. We don't need to talk about it anymore.

No, allowing these people to enter our countries en masse based on these twisted and suicidal ideas, has gotten us into this mess.

I see. When you ignore the reasons these people are leaving their home countries in the first place you can blame it on liberal acceptance of other people. Nice propaganda tactic you used there again.

Most of them are not even from war zones.

You are going to have to prove that claim, boss.

What, you can't compute what I said?

How many of your friends have been replaced by Muslims?

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: greencmp

It certainly isn't part of the doctrine.

Which doctrine, specifically?

To whom does it belong, specifically?

Show me where peace and understanding are emphasized.

In which doctrine should I peruse?

The Hadith?
The Quran?
The Gospels?
Psalms?

Which sect's doctrine?

Wahhabi?
Sunni?
Sufi?
Shia?
Salafi?


You see how ridiculous these broad statements are now?

Or are you going to continue to be vague with sweeping generalisations?

Or you could show me a reference to peace and understanding.

You know, the charge I made that you are responding to.

You made the original claim.

I asked for specifics so I could help you.


Clearly you don't know as much about Islam as you make out or you would direct me to your concerns instead of vaguely making baseless statements.

My claim is that it isn't there. I cannot prove a negative but, you can prove me wrong.

There could be no better invitation to refute my claim.

Uhhh, you said "there is no peace and understanding in the doctrine"...

I asked what specific doctrine you were talking about.


Quran verses that mention the treaties with Christians & Jews?
The Constitution of Medina which was the originator or freedom of religion?
Psalms from the Bible?


Maybe I should have just pointed out Jesus is one of the most revered Prophets in Islam and our Messiah...
Tell me something more peaceful & understanding that the values of Jesus Christ.




I'll wait.

That's a whopping load of BS if I ever heard it.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: Krazysh0t

That's an interesting point you raise KS, I view the whole "your religion sucks and mine rocks" arguments that go to me viewing it from the outside, they appear almost like children squabbling over playground territory.

One is as ludicrous as the other in terms of their justifications as to why one is better than the other. The psychology behind is simple, a person who yells very loudly against another religion is trying very hard to convince themselves their choice or indoctrination into a religion (whichever way they came to that faith) was the right choice, the right god, the right afterlife reward.

*shrugs, walks away and does something useful for the rest of the day.

*Applauds & follows Zazza the hell out of this trash*

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: greencmp

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: greencmp

It certainly isn't part of the doctrine.

Which doctrine, specifically?

To whom does it belong, specifically?

Show me where peace and understanding are emphasized.

In which doctrine should I peruse?

The Hadith?
The Quran?
The Gospels?
Psalms?

Which sect's doctrine?

Wahhabi?
Sunni?
Sufi?
Shia?
Salafi?


You see how ridiculous these broad statements are now?

Or are you going to continue to be vague with sweeping generalisations?

Or you could show me a reference to peace and understanding.

You know, the charge I made that you are responding to.

You made the original claim.

I asked for specifics so I could help you.


Clearly you don't know as much about Islam as you make out or you would direct me to your concerns instead of vaguely making baseless statements.

My claim is that it isn't there. I cannot prove a negative but, you can prove me wrong.

There could be no better invitation to refute my claim.

Uhhh, you said "there is no peace and understanding in the doctrine"...

I asked what specific doctrine you were talking about.


Quran verses that mention the treaties with Christians & Jews?
The Constitution of Medina which was the originator or freedom of religion?
Psalms from the Bible?


Maybe I should have just pointed out Jesus is one of the most revered Prophets in Islam and our Messiah...
Tell me something more peaceful & understanding that the values of Jesus Christ.




I'll wait.

That's a whopping load of BS if I ever heard it.

How thought provoking.

Salam.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: Krazysh0t

That's an interesting point you raise KS, I view the whole "your religion sucks and mine rocks" arguments that go on, to me viewing it from the outside, they appear almost like children squabbling over playground territory.

One is as ludicrous as the other in terms of their justifications as to why one is better than the other. The psychology behind is simple, a person who yells very loudly against another religion is trying very hard to convince themselves their choice or indoctrination into a religion (whichever way they came to that faith) was the right choice, the right god, the right afterlife reward.

*shrugs, walks away and does something useful for the rest of the day.

Yea. I should probably just exit this thread stage right too. There's a reason I usually avoid threads like this. I got sucked into this one and ended up just arguing the same tired points I always argue, while dealing with rudeness from the people I'm talking to. I should have seen that coming...

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Lets go to the movies or something, shock-horror an atheist and a muslim going to hang out and do normal life stuff

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The point I am making there is that both percentages fall in the "extreme minority" bracket of a country's total population. You are more likely to see ANYONE else than a Muslim in a country with either of those percentages.

Again, there is very big difference between 1 and 15%, don't be so obtuse.

For instance at 1% people are more forced to integrate. At 15%, not so much.

You are going to have to prove that claim, boss.

Really, this is common knowledge by now, even admitted by euro politicians.

How many of your friends have been replaced by Muslims?

You obviously can't compute if you think this is what I meant.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yea. I should probably just exit this thread stage right too. There's a reason I usually avoid threads like this

What, you are always in these threads making your excuses.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Again, there is very big difference between 1 and 15%, don't be so obtuse.

Do you know what the word "minority" means?

For instance at 1% people are more forced to integrate. At 15%, not so much.

This isn't true. People from similar home countries tend to live together. This is something that the US has learned significantly over the course of its history.

Really, this is common knowledge by now, even admitted by euro politicians.

Cool. Then it should be really easy for you to prove it right? So hop to it.

You obviously can't compute if you think this is what I meant.

Do they act the same, or can you tell like a few minor differences in their personalities?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Do you know what the word "minority" means?

What is your point? That because they are still a minority it is impossible for them to have a big impact on our society?

Again, overhere, percentage wise, they are with 15 times as many people, compared to the US. Again, any comparison you try to make is flawed.

Cool. Then it should be really easy for you to prove it right? So hop to it.

Oh, you doubt this?

Do they act the same, or can you tell like a few minor differences in their personalities?

You think acting dumb makes you look smart?

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: Krazysh0t
What is your point? That because they are still a minority it is impossible for them to have a big impact on our society?

Again, overhere, percentage wise, they are with 15 tiomes as much people, compared to the US. Again, any comparison you try make is flawed.

Like I've told you many times before, the US has PLENTY of experience with mass immigration from the 3rd world. The effect that 15% of the population has on the politics of the country isn't that much more significant than 1% of the country. I see it on display all the time in this country as each minority demographic vies for attention from our politicians.

Oh, you doubt this?

Let's see... Some guy with a brand new profile on an internet forum that regularly peddles bull# made a claim without supporting evidence. So yes. Yes I do.

You think acting dumb makes you look smart?

If you confront them with them being replacements, do they get all wide-eyed, point at you then shriek at the top of their lungs?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Like I've told you many times before, the US has PLENTY of experience with mass immigration from the 3rd world. The effect that 15% of the population has on the politics of the country isn't that much more significant than 1% of the country. I see it on display all the time in this country as each minority demographic vies for attention from our politicians.

Again, you can't compare, since you have 1% muslim, and we have 15% muslim. The difference in effect is huge. How hard is it to grasp a simple concept.

Let's see... Some guy with a brand new profile on an internet forum that regularly peddles bull# made a claim without supporting evidence. So yes. Yes I do.

Then you haven't been paying attention.

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If you confront them with them being replacements, do they get all wide-eyed, point at you then shriek at the top of their lungs?

You must think it makes you look smart. It doesn't.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Again, you can't compare, since you have 1% muslim, and we have 15% muslim. The difference in effect is huge. How hard is it to grasp a simple concept.

Because I know how to relate to more things than just muslim.

Then you haven't been paying attention.

ETA: Well I see you edited. That's great. I'm glad you carried through. I was afraid we'd get into an argument where you'd refuse to post sources and tell me to look it up instead. Nothing makes me disbelieve you faster than doing that.

You must think it makes you look smart. It doesn't.

I'd beware of any weird pillows someone tries to give you.

PS: If you haven't figured out what I've been doing here yet then my intelligence isn't the one in question.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

HAH! HAH! Gotcha! Proved myself smarter than you on and only just this one particular occasion, but once is enough for me!

I didn't GET involved in this one!

(actually, just kidding).

a reply to: TonyS

Yea, but I'm really done now. I'm tired of trolling that other guy with invasion of the body snatchers references.