BREAKING NEWS: CRUZ WINS IOWA Trump 2nd; Clinton, Sanders in dead heat

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BREAKING NEWS: CRUZ WINS IOWA Trump nips Rubio for 2nd; Clinton, Sanders remain in virtual dead heat

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Texas Sen. Ted Cruz swept to victory over Donald Trump in Iowa’s Republican caucuses Monday night — with Marco Rubio hard on his heels with a re-energized campaign — while Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders were locked in a virtual dead heat in the Democratic contest.

The Democratic race remained too close to call in the early morning hours on Tuesday.

But the contest nevertheless reflected a strong showing for Sanders who trailed Clinton badly over the summer. Sanders said the results sent a “profound message” to the media and political establishment.”

Cruz, too, cast his victory as a message to the establishment.

“Tonight is a victory for the grassroots. Tonight is a victory for courageous conservatives across Iowa and all across this great nation,” Cruz told cheering supporters.

Speaking to supporters at Drake University, Clinton still sounded optimistic about the final result but did not declare victory outright.

“As I stand here tonight, breathing a big sigh of relief, thank you Iowa. I want you to know that I’ll keep standing up for you, keep fighting for you. Join me. Let’s go win that nomination,” she said.

Cruz, in his race, fought hard in recent weeks to make up lost ground in the polls and was helped in part by a sophisticated ground operation. He also hammered Trump for his decision to skip last week's Republican debate.

While Trump finished second in the state, Florida Sen. Rubio finished a very close third with a stronger-than-expected showing in the Hawkeye State, helped in part by late-deciders.

His campaign also suggested Trump’s debate boycott helped change the dynamic in the race.

With nearly all precincts reporting, Cruz had 28 percent, Trump had 24 percent and Rubio had 23 percent.

Nothing like a straw poll to get the candidates off and running...

A few thousand votes between Trump and Cruz while the Democrats are too close to call.

Up next is a real primary (as opposed to the Iowa caucus) in the great state of New Hampshire.

I've only been to Iowa once...Columbus Junction. All I recall is lots of corn and the overwhelming stench of pig #.

originally posted by: skunkape23
I've only been to Iowa once...Columbus Junction. All I recall is lots of corn and the overwhelming stench of pig #.

Well, it is Iowa.

As for the smells Politicians are there and are talking so I think that explains the smell.

a reply to: Xcathdra
I did say Cruz, in the earlier thread, on the repub side. Not that I like the outcome, just that I thought it would happen.

a reply to: reldra

The votes are pretty close... Also Trump has not ruled out a 3rd party run. I still think he will pull off the Republican nomination.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: skunkape23
I've only been to Iowa once...Columbus Junction. All I recall is lots of corn and the overwhelming stench of pig #.

Well, it is Iowa.

As for the smells Politicians are there and are talking so I think that explains the smell.

I would avoid the place in summer. It gets a little thick and steamy. I was also wearing a t-shirt that had "F...y'all, I'm from Texas." printed on it. I was not greeted with much warmth by the locals.

Not for nothing but I wished Trump would have won, because while he is more vitriolic he is smarter than Trump at hiding and manipulating, in this he is more slimy where Trump will try to bulldoze his way through , and in the real world slimy grease balls have the edge .

My questions: Why in the name of all that is good , do we put so much stock in a caucus ? One with a proven "losing" record ? Why does the Democratic Party measure the results in State Delegate Equivalents when the Republican Party measures in true votes ? Why do they hide behind smoke and mirrors ? Why do you think the Democratic Party railed behind moving the caucus up to the first of the year ?
Trust nothing political.

originally posted by: Spider879
Not for nothing but I wished Trump would have won, because while he is more vitriolic he is smarter than Trump at hiding and manipulating, in this he is more slimy where Trump will try to bulldoze his way through , and in the real world slimy grease balls have the edge .

I think my universal translator is malfunctioning...

a reply to: Gothmog

For the same reason people pay attention to the small towns in New Hampshire that casts votes for president 1 minute after midnight..

The parties / politicians will use this as momentum.
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Interestingly the Democratic primaries in Iowa are no longer secret ballot starting this year (Republican ballots still are).

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Spider879
Not for nothing but I wished Trump would have won, because while he is more vitriolic he is smarter than Trump at hiding and manipulating, in this he is more slimy where Trump will try to bulldoze his way through , and in the real world slimy grease balls have the edge .

I think my universal is malfunctioning...

Translated:
Cruz will prove harder to beat than Trump in a general election.

a reply to: Spider879

Gotcha.. Your post uses just trumps name.

Wait I don't understand these polls.

Isn't it that when people actually vote, people vote for electors that will represent their states vote, and those people vote for whoever they want to vote for?

Therefore I don't see how these polls are of any importance.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Gothmog

For the same reason people pay attention to the small towns in New Hampshire that casts votes for president 1 minute after midnight..

The parties / politicians will use this as momentum.
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Interestingly the Democratic primaries in Iowa are no longer secret ballot starting this year (Republican ballots still are).

What "secret ballot" ? The Republican way is more straight forward than the Democratic way. The Democratic party hides their vote count behind SDEs and never releases the true vote count. It is based on predictions....
Or , did you not know all ballots are "secret" in this country ? No one discloses who they voted for , nor do they ask.

*The Iowa Democratic Party doesn't report vote counts. It reports State Delegate Equivalents (SDEs), predictions of who will attend the state-wide party convention.

Iowa results

If thats not the definition of secret , I dont know what is.

a reply to: Gothmog

The Democrats changed the way their voting works - Democratic Iowa Caucas changes 2016 - wiki

Democratic caucus participants (though not Republicans, whose caucuses vote by secret ballot) must publicly state their opinion and vote, leading to natural problems such as peer pressure from neighbors and embarrassment over who one's preferred candidate might be. Participants are often required to listen to speeches from local political leaders.

Iowa changed the way their system works for both parties starting in 2016 as it moved from winner take all to proportionate wins.

a reply to: Xcathdra
Which in no way offers a rebuttal to my post. And please read my post again. It appears that you overlooked the gist and the word Prediction

a reply to: Gothmog

Actually it does. Democrats have to say who they are voting for and why. Just because they dont report individual votes publically it doesnt change the fact of what I am saying.

If Ted Cruz wins the elections, expect four more years of Obama, same old same old crap.

Gun grabbing laws.

Open boarders.

More illegals coming in the country.

High unemployment.

More tax brakes for the rich.

Higher premiums for Obamacare.

More wars.

No changes.

a reply to: Informer1958


That doesn't even make sense. Cruz is anti all that

Def not my first choice but it's more than clear if that's what you think. That you're yet another uninformed trump supporter

I think Donald Trump wuz robbed.