Iowa Caucus Discussion.

a reply to: Gothmog

It is the divisional playoffs of the great political league.....

Right?!!!!

That's what I just told my husband when he rolled his eyes.
Yeah - he's into "American football" - I'm into "American well-being". So I said -
okay, this political thing is just as important to me as the NFL is to you.....

Ack. Pre-game show.
I thought it was supposed to be coverage of the caucus sites.....

sigh.....

Going back to netlfix, then...

Tired, boss. Dog tired....

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
Bernie Sanders over HRC by 15%

Why you ask???


Most caucus goers are there for one or two reasons:

1) getting their candidate nominated

2) fear of the other party

Sanders supporters have a third reasons to caucus:

3) to support the beginning of a social, political revolution in the US of A

When sanders wins Iowa, HRC will go full bat # crazy, causing her supporters to turn on her. Once it becomes clear Sanders has won, the DOJ will prosecute HRC over her email anarchy, the rogue server. and crimes tied to the Clinton Foundation.

And we all will live happily ever after! LOL's

Ain't that just dandy!

moar lulz (:

You have a dream.

Now that, I can go with.

a reply to: ketsuko

you'll see the real hardcore folks come out given the developing weather situation.

So, that may favor Hillary

LOL!! Really?

No.

It will favor Bernie.
Youngsters aren't afraid to drive or walk in the cold and snow and rain.

No biggie to hitch a ride, either.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Uh-huh.

If the young and dumb were really all that committed to voting, there would be better election turnout at the mid-terms and more democrats occupying those seats.

This process is arcane, long, and boring. We are talking about Millennials I might be wrong, but I put Trump voters in roughly the same level of commitment.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I think you would be jealous of me tonight Buzzy. I'm actually in Iowa at the Sanders event. Working of course.

The caucuses begin soon but the number of people here, and those expected to be afterwards, is insane.

Don't know if this is a sign of things to come, but people are sure excited over Bernie here tonight.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Hopes and prayers?

I am praying that all the candidates fall into a giant sinkhole filled with Ebola-infected piranhas.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I consider myself an average American.

And as an "average" person, I think I have a pretty good grasp on how Iowans will vote.

Sanders may be a better choice, but the term "socialist" will scare people.

And people are already afraid. Thus the votes for Trump.

But that's just my average take on it.

Maybe you and other varieties of Conservatives but it doesn't scare Liberals, Progressives or Leftists. Besides most people outside of Conservatives (not a dig it's just how this is playing out) understand the difference between "Soshialsm" and Democratic Socialism.

Though it hasn't stopped Hillary from trying to use the non-existent fear as a weapon. Oh Hillary, you silly, silly Corporatist.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Hopes and prayers?

I am praying that all the candidates fall into a giant sinkhole filled with Ebola-infected piranhas.

Except Bernie. He really is a good, honest guy. I've met him, he's a regular joe. He means all he says. He is our only hope.

I respect and appreciate everyone's opinions and political advocacy.

However, for me, Sanders is the first candidate I've even approached being willing to cast a vote for in a presidential primary or election in my lifetime (and it's still an open question as to whether he'll do or say something egregious enough to kill my support of him between now and my state's primary.) So if he loses here, and even more so in NH, and then drops out of the race, I will return to my default position of simply not voting.

And no, I do not "lose the right to complain" if I don't vote. And no, that doesn't "render my opinion invalid," either. Both things I've been told. To which I retort with the following (language/age/NSFW warning):

www.youtube.com...

As for realistic predictions? I hope I'm wrong, but I expect Sanders will lose, to be followed by a loss or only extremely narrow victory in NH. I expect Trump to do well, but I think this will be a real test of his viability as a candidate. Now we begin to see if his apparent groundswell of support is legitimate, or just some sort of craze that doesn't translate into real votes. Could go either way imho.

Peace.

a reply to: introvert
Awesome. Keep us updated. I am really biting my nails on this primary. My husband, who is a Trumper, actually has admitted to me that he will vote for Bernie too in our primary depending on the outcome. He cannot stand Hillary and likes Bernie. For him though, he likes that Trump scares the world by being crazy. He doesn't think Bernie can scare our enemies. Obama being a p*ssy as a world leader has enraged my hubby. Sigh. At least, he would rather see Bernie there if all of his other hopes seem to fail.

a reply to: introvert

I thought her rally was made to look way bigger than it was. Or am I thinking of a different one?

a reply to: CynConcepts

I will do what I can as I can, but things will be hitting the fan here soon. Let me leave you with a few pics I have taken. Apologies for the crappy pics, as I do not have a smart phone.

Be sure to check out the event pass at the bottom.

This is where he will give his speech. ETA: Actually, just in front of that seating area.



Press is not quite ready, but getting there.



Pass......



On the bottom it says "Paid for by Bernie 2016....not the billionaires".

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: introvert

I thought her rally was made to look way bigger than it was. Or am I thinking of a different one?

That was a different rally. Last night was packed, plus a line for blocks of people that could not get in.

originally posted by: ketsuko
If the young and dumb were really all that committed to voting...

The dumb do vote. They dutifully pull the handles for people with little R's and D's next to their names and expect different results.

a reply to: introvert

Okay... I was just looking it up and I see it, it was a big rally but I'm pretty sure Bernie's was bigger

Which doesn't necessarily mean anything, I know.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ketsuko
If the young and dumb were really all that committed to voting...

The dumb do vote. They dutifully pull the handles for people with little R's and D's next to their names and expect different results.

What is worse is the older women who still want to vote for Hillary just so they can be a part of voting for the first woman president. Grrr....Dumb and dumber! It is frustrating talking to such stubborn individuals.

a reply to: Kali74

A democratic socialist is a socialist who only signed up to the democrat party to run on the democrat party ticket.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Well here I thought this was to be a discussion of the caucus, but I guess it is a prediction party. Never the less.

I wonder that we all accept the Iowa Caucus so readily. When I was young and began to pay attention to the election cycles, one of the first things that I came across was how these caucus always created such a stir. Then I noticed something else. I noticed that voters tend to vote for the more popular names, both R and D. And then after Iowa comes NH. And all the candidates are focusing on those two states. The first two to vote.

It seemed common sense to me that those who happened to be in the lead after those two votes, generally went on to get nominated. Generally. That the landswell of popularity after those two states seemed to focus on the winners, and we know that the vast number of voters like to vote for a winner.

I then realized that these two states ALWAYS vote first. Now why is that. How is it that a little state like Iowa with only around 3 million people with the largest city being under 1 million always got to set the tone for the over all election. How is it that what these voters think is right ends up being, well, the way it is? By the time the primaries get to the states with the most people, like California and New York and Texas, the whole thing is almost set in stone.

How is it we end up judging our candidates by the values of such a small group of people.

I think we should get away from Iowa completely. I think that the mayors of say a dozen large cities like NY and LA and Atlanta and Houston and Chicago should hold primaries before Iowa. Instead of listening to only 3 million, many of whom live in rural areas, we might listen to the votes of 50 million who live in the big cities for our bellwether.

Now I do not think that this idea is unconstitutional or against the law. I think that there should be a Big Cities Primary a week before Iowa. Why not???

But do I have a prediction on this years culling? Nah.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I think you would be jealous of me tonight Buzzy. I'm actually in Iowa at the Sanders event. Working of course.

The caucuses begin soon but the number of people here, and those expected to be afterwards, is insane.

Don't know if this is a sign of things to come, but people are sure excited over Bernie here tonight.

What city do you find yourself in tonight introvert?

Lucky for me I get to help start this insane process of voting for a leader of the USA tonight and my gf and I are heading out in an hour.

I really hope the democrats turn out in comparable numbers to republicans.
Could only mean good things come November .