British ISIS Mum Tareena Shakil Jailed for 6 years is this the right thing to do?

originally posted by: anxiouswens
My own view is that rather than spending tax payers money on imprisoning them they would send out a clearer message if they in fact removed passports from anyone who it is proven to have travelled to Syria to join ISIS and refused them entry back into the Country.

I saw her father interviewed on the news channel .....

He thinks she has been unfairly treated? And they intend to appeal.

*Kerching* .....more tax payers money down the drain ?


AND

What are the chances her *human rights* will get her off????


You couldn't make it up ........

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
a reply to: crazyewok

You said 'Jihadis'. Methinks you refrained yourself from saying something else.

Jihad is not a religion-it is a perverse ideal that originated from a well established religion-just like pedophilia is linked to Catholic priests.

Me thinks you are putting words in my mouth to suit your own Agenda.....

The reason I used the word Jihadi was to seprate those vile animals from my many muslim freinds.

a reply to: anxiouswens

For one thing prison is supposed to act as a deterrent in the hope that someone leaves prison as a reformed character.

That only happens if the prisoners want to be rehabilitated, in most cases they come out worse people than they did going in.

The problem I see and some won't admit it. People are looking for an easy solution coming from the official wave of the wand from government intervention. It ain't going to happen, due to governments being incompetent at the only job they claim to be good at it; Spending excess amounts of tax money on government programs,that's including the rehabilitation program for radical Muslims. Which won't work in a prison setting as you already mentioned.

Whether or not imprisonment is the right thing to do or not is irrelevant, what matters; what is going to reduce the amount of Islamic extremist turning to violence as a medium. If imprisonment does the job, why consider its ethics.
However I think the more important question to ask is why is violence, specifically terrorism a successful medium for enacting political change? I believe the solution lies within this question.

a reply to: anxiouswens

I think she should have been shot. She tried to kill our people. She was helping ISIS. Um, yeah we are at war with them.

Maybe she should find a new home country. The west is not her thing right?

The right thing to do would be make her stay in Syria.
You asked for it - you got it lady.
You can't just join Hell's Angels for a few weeks then split.
Sometimes you just have to live, die or get raped by your choices.

a reply to: TrueBrit

It is all BS. Thank you, that was a great answer.
Sad that these guys who fell for it and were brave enough to go and do something well intentioned are now probably too war torn, dangerous and disillusioned to ever be allowed back here.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

You really think that a radicalised mother is suitable to bring up a child? And make yet another radical?
She should have been refused entry in my opinion but the law is the law. Now she'll no doubt somehow become a role model for other daft women

Tough call as what the OP says has some merit..but no sympathy..at some point she thought it would be cool to join murderous scum, there are no illusions..and why not bring the baby too, no f her.

a reply to: anxiouswens

She wouldn't be a drain on our resources if prison was viewed primarily a punishment rather than as an opportunity to rehabilitate as at present.

Serve her sentence out in a 10 x 8 x 4 cell with a straw mattress and a diet of little better than bread and water.
Throw a good old dose of hard labour in.

And then deported to whatever #hole these barbaric scumbags are desecrating upon her release.

Muslims preach about how they look after each other - I'm absolutely certain her child would find some decent adoptive parents in the majority moderate Muslim population we hear so much about.

originally posted by: Sargeras

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: anxiouswens
Thats my point really. Im not saying she shouldnt be punished far from it but I dont know if a prison sentence is the best punishment. Does anyone really want these people in prison with this ideology to be let back out onto British streets at some point in the future? Does anybody really believe its going to change her mindset because I dont. I think she and people like her will pose more of a threat once they come out and then thousands of pounds are being paid to keep them there.

I am sure I recall somewhere in the back of my mind the government saying a couple of years ago that these people who chose to join ISIS wouldnt be let back into the country once they had left. Another promise not to be fulfilled! a reply to: Freeborn

But she will be danger outside of Prison among the public.

Lock her up for life or execute her. There should be no other option for the Jihads. They are not fit or safe to be around civilised folk.

They are animals mascarading as humans.

Put them in a zoo or put them down.

These are the only options.

It is too bad the Aussie's are using Australia..... Great place to dump them all off together.

Just saying

Ha ha! There is an even better place south of here, where jihad's can cool off.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
www.express.co.uk...

For those not in the UK Tareena Shakil is a British Mother who travelled to Syria with her 14 month old baby to join ISIS. During her time in Syria she posted photos of her baby with an AK47. Eventually she became disillusioned with her time in Syria and returned to UK. Shw was found guilty last week of belonging to ISIS and was today sentenced to 6 years in prison a more in depth report is in the source above.

The purpose of my thread though is to question whether ATS members think this is the best way of dealing with these situations. Myself I am not so sure I wonder if in the long term it is creating more problems than it is solving.

For one thing prison is supposed to act as a deterrent in the hope that someone leaves prison as a reformed character. Surely by imprisoning her she is more likely to become radicalised. The ideology she follows teaches to hate everything in the West. She is now going to be separated from her child and miss at least 3 years of and her life will this then not make her hate the West all the more?

There have been many reports about radicalisation taking place in Prisons in the UK so she is also probably going to become more radicalised if she is surrounded by people with similar mindsets to her and there is also the chance of her radicalising other prisoners.

Then there is her child who is going to be scarred and damaged by being separated from his mother. Is he going to grow up angry and resentful to the West for imprisoning his mother and is he then not more likely to be radicalised himself.

There are many presently in our prison system who have been radicalised and at some point they will be released. Are the UK in actual fact just storing up many problems for the future rather than dealing with the underlying reason as to why these people became radicalised in the first place.

My own view is that rather than spending tax payers money on imprisoning them they would send out a clearer message if they in fact removed passports from anyone who it is proven to have travelled to Syria to join ISIS and refused them entry back into the Country. The only problem with this then would be the safety of the children they have took with them.

I dont really know what the answer is but I dont know whether this is it! What do other people think?

I agree up to a point. But my question to you is...what do we do then? There has to be some deterrent. Otherwise more people will go join ISIS and leave when, inevitably, the rot is exposed.

I have such an abhorrence of ISIS that i have zero sympathy for anyone who has anything to do with them. Be it mothers of infants, stupid teenage girls etc...

6 Years? Not long enough in my opinion. Let her rot in jail for life. Then people will realise that if they rush to join groups who burn people alive, run them over with tanks, behead them etc...they will pay the price if they choose to return.

Her child is the victim here. Poor thing

originally posted by: vonclod
Tough call as what the OP says has some merit..but no sympathy..at some point she thought it would be cool to join murderous scum, there are no illusions..and why not bring the baby too, no f her.

Quoted for agreement.

Nope. Send her back to Syria.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
Then there is her child who is going to be scarred and damaged by being separated from his mother.

Are you for real ? A mother that decorates her baby with ISIS symbols and AK47's while hailing jihads against the country she just left (and want to return to) bringing the child INTO a warzone willingly and then come back and lie about how she was kidnapped at first and denied all the things i just described.

You think it will damage the child if the child was taken away from a human like that?
You got some screwed up logic and reasoning my friend.

a reply to: crazyewok

I don't have a horse in this race, being South African but i agree with you on principle. I don't even have to deal with it but i'm so sick of Isis and it's followers that i can projectile-vomit at the mere sight of the name. However a good alternative would be to refuse her entry back into Britain,if one is of a kinder disposition than myself re the matter of Isis+ followers. A message needs to be sent loud and clear that if you choose to leave your country to join the murderous scum that is the sworn enemy of your country- you don't get to return.

The poor kid is already lost, whatever happens.For him, i feel sorry.

Trouble is we know she went obviously intended to commit crimes against others - did she murder and what threat does she pose back here.

What she has done is treason and enough for me to want her entire family deported back to whence they originally came from because we don't know how many others she has influenced, despite what they cry. They will be taking up and wasting british tax payers money which will be wasted.

How on earth was she allowed back into this country is beyond me and shows just how the government are letting ordinary people down by allowing her return because she is toxic whether in jail or out.

I would guess that their family home is a Sharia Law Cult. The mother and the father are more guilty than their daughter.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
She will probably be put on a de-radicalisation programme in prison, reverse brain washing if you like.

Six years in prison is extreme in itself, but I guess the Government has to start making examples of these would be Jihadists and Jihadi Brides, in order to put people off from travelling to Syria and the likes.

Yes but I think it's more of making examples of them trying to come back like it was just a trip to Disneyland.

I dont know whether my true feelings have got lost in translation here I am not for one minute saying I have anything but disgust and anger at what she has done to her child. I was trying to look at what the point of imprisoning her is. I am not saying she shouldnt be punished for what she had done merely that if anything it stores up even more problems for the future.

I think a fitting punishment is to not let people like her back and to strip them of their passport and also if deemed necessary extended family. Her father is from Pakistan and also doesnt appear to agree with the sentence so maybe he would be better off returning to Pakistan with her.

I just know that if the government stopped her coming back there would be outcry about the child. The child has been separated in any event so I think they should have sent her back to ISIS and took her passport. The only message this prison sentence has sent out is you will be allowed back and at worst do 2 years of a 6 year sentence and get the chance to recruit fellow prisoners to your cause.a reply to: everyone

a reply to: anxiouswens

I don't think it's the right thing to.do, I believe that as soon as someone has proved to have joined Daesh their passport should be cancelled or a travel ban placed on them. They made their bed, they should lie in it...