Scots Police Teach US Cops How To Avoid Gun Use

a reply to: TrueBrit

Well....3 times greater is not a percentage.

originally posted by: IslandOfMisfitToys

originally posted by: Restricted

originally posted by: IslandOfMisfitToys

originally posted by: Restricted
The Scottish police are not at risk of being shot every time they engage the public.

Apples and oranges.

See my post above this one......

I don't even know what that means.

All I know is that if I challenge a police officer, if I'm armed or not, I expect to be shot.

The answer to this equation is simple. Cooperate.

You mean Scott's cooperate with police that much more than we do?

Look at the numbers.

There are almost just as many gun related incidents per capita in Scotland than there is in the USA.

Something your dear gun controlling leaders just so happen to not mention.

I view it as natural selection.

Meh.

a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

No. It is a measure of probability, but it still has more meaning with the actual numbers being associated with it. And to be fair, I think it would be more reasonable to compare Scotland's population with that of somewhere like Illinois. It would also be more reasonable to compare like for like crime in terms of result of that crime, gun murder rate, knife crime rate, and sexual offences too.

a reply to: TrueBrit

You are correct.

And Scotland would still win hands down in all 3 categories.

a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys
en.m.wikipedia.org...

Certainly seems like the US has more gun related deaths?
Also the US homicide rate is about 4 times higher than UK?

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys
en.m.wikipedia.org...

Certainly seems like the US has more gun related deaths?
Also the US homicide rate is about 4 times higher than UK?

The US population is also wayyyyyyyyy more than 4 times the UK.

Your point?

a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys
Rate as in per capita. Do you get the point now?

a reply to: ScepticScot

Population means per capita.

Again......what is your point?

There are approximately 64.5 million people in the UK. There are almost 319 million people in the US.

Per capita the UK is nearly 5 times smaller.......

So going by your numbers, a person in the UK is more likely to get killed.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys
en.m.wikipedia.org...

Certainly seems like the US has more gun related deaths?
Also the US homicide rate is about 4 times higher than UK?

Did you notice the disclaimer?

"This list is not complete".



Also not taken into account is firearm deaths by cop.........

Which is why they went to Scotland to learn how to not kill as a first step.

a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys
Apologies I assumed you actually knew what per capita actually meant. en.m.wikipedia.org...
The U.S. has a higher murder rate and a much higher murder by firearm rate both in absolute and per person rate.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys
Apologies I assumed you actually knew what per capita actually meant. en.m.wikipedia.org...
The U.S. has a higher murder rate and a much higher murder by firearm rate both in absolute and per person rate.

As opposed to the UK.

Did you know that the UK consists of more countries than Scotland?

Care to give a relevant comparison?

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys
Apologies I assumed you actually knew what per capita actually meant. en.m.wikipedia.org...
The U.S. has a higher murder rate and a much higher murder by firearm rate both in absolute and per person rate.

Do those numbers include shots fired by police?

originally posted by: IslandOfMisfitToys

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys
Apologies I assumed you actually knew what per capita actually meant. en.m.wikipedia.org...
The U.S. has a higher murder rate and a much higher murder by firearm rate both in absolute and per person rate.

As opposed to the UK.

Did you know that the UK consists of more countries than Scotland?

Care to give a relevant comparison?

Lets see Scotland makes up just under 10% of UK population so if every firearm related homicide measured in the UK took place in Scotland that would make the US rate only what, about 13 times higher per person.
Not only unlikely but not sure how that helps?

a reply to: ScepticScot

Well we are getting off of our topic.

Your initial post said that a cop in the US is far more likely to encounter someone armed with a gun.

Which I am starting to believe as I do more research.

This link states that the US has 88.8 guns per 100 people while Scotland has 5.5.

www.theguardian.com...

So I concede to your point.

a reply to: crazyewok

Oh here's a good one, don't be blood thirsty killers.

a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys
Fair enough. It is also worth noting that the vast majority of firearms in Scotland are rifles/shotguns. There is less chance of a police officer encountering a concealed firearm here.

originally posted by: IslandOfMisfitToys
a reply to: ScepticScot

Population means per capita.

Again......what is your point?

There are approximately 64.5 million people in the UK. There are almost 319 million people in the US.

Per capita the UK is nearly 5 times smaller.......

So going by your numbers, a person in the UK is more likely to get killed.

No it doesn’t. Per capita is the number adjusted for population.
So yes the murder rate is 4 times higher in the USA.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: crazyewok

Oh here's a good one, don't be blood thirsty killers.

Not everyone shot in the USA by cops is a blood thirsty killer.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys
Fair enough. It is also worth noting that the vast majority of firearms in Scotland are rifles/shotguns. There is less chance of a police officer encountering a concealed firearm here.

That does make a difference. And one I hadn't thought of.

Cheers.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: IslandOfMisfitToys
a reply to: ScepticScot

Population means per capita.

Again......what is your point?

There are approximately 64.5 million people in the UK. There are almost 319 million people in the US.

Per capita the UK is nearly 5 times smaller.......

So going by your numbers, a person in the UK is more likely to get killed.

No it doesn’t. Per capita is the number adjusted for population.
So yes the murder rate is 4 times higher in the USA.

Population is a base factor in per capita. That is what I ment. I read his post incorrectly.