God help David Cameron and our leaders if anything happens in the UK

a reply to: Debunkology

Undercovers.

There must be training manuals in what I call 'Disruptive Psychology'. It took me years to work out that's what I was seeing.

An undercover can be a criminal caught with damning evidence then given the choice between jail or working undercover. First they have to join groups and report back. If no 'extremists' are found the undercover agent may be told to invent some conversation or expressed views to warrant investigation. The handlers need something to show their paymasters. Something worrying but not too specific. It's safe for the investigators because they're not watching actual criminals.

Stepping it up, vandalism and arson may be used with suitable incriminating evidence left at the scene.

Eventually an actual bomb may be used and it will all go horribly wrong. For decades afterwards the perpetrators will be looking over their shoulders and pathetically defending their story. Many of them will suffer nightmares, drug and alcohol problems and insanity.

Meanwhile the fluffier undercovers are drinking in scruffy pubs, reading their half-baked poetry, and worming their way into left wing sainthood.

You'll sometimes hear people say the local leftie hero leader means well, but he leads them down so many blind alleys. It's deliberate. It's disruptive psychology.

The only way round it is to work alone.

One of the spook brainwashing mantras is "You'll never achieve anything on your own. You have to be part of a group". They say that because it's the opposite of the truth. You can achieve far more on your own. Just keep it peaceful and Lawful.

I agree with Freeborn, 'don't whine, get on with it' is a needed thread topic.

Attacks here can be much more sophisticated than old fashioned bombings. Contaminating food supplies is very likely. Attacks on multiple fuel stores would be almost crippling. Buncefield was a missile. John Harris of TPUC saw it fly over his house. Multiple similar attacks are possible. The internet is vulnerable to precisely targeted sabotage. The electricity supply is running on a wing and a prayer as it is, I don't know of any particular vulnerabilities to attack but I'm sure others do.

Should a major event occur, the undercover disruptive psychology agents in parliament will pose an unacceptable threat. Thank God for rogue military hit-squads.

a reply to: anxiouswens

if an attack happens it does so because it was allowed to happen so that new more restrictive and draconian laws can be ushered in because we are helpless without our wonderful government

An economic collapsing economy threatens the rule of government so they are implementing a strategy called divide and rule. Which in politics, sociology and economics is a strategy to gain or maintain power.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Why on earth do people take these ISIS threats seriously when they make these threats, they seem to be doing it every other day just now.

Is the UK under threat from ISIS? Yes

Are there terrorist cells in the UK who seek to attack the UK? Yes.

Am i worried about this?..... NO!

Maybe its not so much "taking them seriously" about the details of the attack, but understanding their motivation and reacting with caution. Especially about the flow of refugees who ISIS is obviously using as a river to enter these countries. Being cautious, careful and diligent is smart. Blowing off their threats is idiocy.

originally posted by: Debunkology
I hate it how ignorant posters just spew out that ‚

As an ignorant poster, I can tell you that CCTVs do not cover the route from Cornwall to Scotland and where there is CCTV they are not joined in a network. The CCTV at my local garage is not plugged into some gigantic national network, nor is the one in my local Tescos, nor the ones on the high street at my local town.

As to phones. It's not news that the police can triangulate mobile phones if given permission by the Courts to do so. However, it's imprecise.

originally posted by: paraphi
As an ignorant poster, I can tell you that CCTVs do not cover the route from Cornwall to Scotland and where there is CCTV they are not joined in a network.

Well, as an informed poster I can tell you that the British Police and the Ministry of Defence have access to Police Automated Recognition Cameras. These are NOT cameras that are painted yellow, and they are not the regular CCTV cameras that a placed by the Highways Agency that monitor 14 million vehicles a day on British motorways and A roads. Or the 15 other types of cameras that are there to monitor "speed".

These are also not the SPECS cameras that police have access to that photograph every single vehicle that passes under them that are on every single motorway and dual-carriage way. Although the SPECS cameras are so sophisticated that they feed data to the other cameras so police can monitor the average speed of your vehicle.

No the cameras I am talking about are mostly hidden and they are everywhere. They are on motorways, dual-carriageways, A roads and B roads, in town centre, and small vilalges. 30 million people are photographed by them every single day.

These cameras can track you from Cornwall to Scotland, with your registration number, your vehicle, and your mug, and maybe the passenger in the vehicle if there is one and recorded and fed into a national database that has billions of stored information. These cameras used in conjunction with other CCTV cameras placed across towns and villages, added with your phone and you can be tracked with ease.

These cameras were also used for “Operation Ipanema” in which drug dealers were tracked from Cornwall to Birmingham and back again, more than once. The drug dealers had absolutely no idea that they were being tracked by the police because it was mostly via CCTV. These cameras can be used as evidence against you despite them being set up without parliamentary authority.

Ignorance is bliss.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Wow there!

I am not dismissing the threat, i even said i do believe that ISIS is a threat to the UK all I am saying is that i am not going to get worried every time the daily tabloids run with yet another story about the newest bogeyman

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Wow there!

I am not dismissing the threat, i even said i do believe that ISIS is a threat to the UK all I am saying is that i am not going to get worried every time the daily tabloids run with yet another story about the newest bogeyman

a reply to: anxiouswens

I imagine any help that bastard Cameron receives wont be coming from God.

Better call the Russians.

originally posted by: Debunkology

originally posted by: paraphi
As an ignorant poster, I can tell you that CCTVs do not cover the route from Cornwall to Scotland and where there is CCTV they are not joined in a network.

Well, as an informed poster I can tell you that the British Police and the Ministry of Defence have access to Police Automated Recognition Cameras. These are NOT cameras that are painted yellow, and they are not the regular CCTV cameras that a placed by the Highways Agency that monitor 14 million vehicles a day on British motorways and A roads. Or the 15 other types of cameras that are there to monitor "speed".

These are also not the SPECS cameras that police have access to that photograph every single vehicle that passes under them that are on every single motorway and dual-carriage way. Although the SPECS cameras are so sophisticated that they feed data to the other cameras so police can monitor the average speed of your vehicle.

No the cameras I am talking about are mostly hidden and they are everywhere. They are on motorways, dual-carriageways, A roads and B roads, in town centre, and small vilalges. 30 million people are photographed by them every single day.

These cameras can track you from Cornwall to Scotland, with your registration number, your vehicle, and your mug, and maybe the passenger in the vehicle if there is one and recorded and fed into a national database that has billions of stored information. These cameras used in conjunction with other CCTV cameras placed across towns and villages, added with your phone and you can be tracked with ease.

These cameras were also used for “Operation Ipanema” in which drug dealers were tracked from Cornwall to Birmingham and back again, more than once. The drug dealers had absolutely no idea that they were being tracked by the police because it was mostly via CCTV. These cameras can be used as evidence against you despite them being set up without parliamentary authority.

Ignorance is bliss.

I have to disagree with this.

I understand that you think this is the way it is and as a fellow CT'er it seems to make sense but it is simply not true.

I will not go into great detail about this but we both know that what you are saying has no grounding in fact and cannot actually happen unless you live in a paranoid world.

a reply to: Debunkology

Love how you chuck this in as if you know what you are talking about.

If any terrorist attack happens in the UK that is calibrated with more than one person, then the SIS (Secret Intelligence Service) will know about it. If there are any terrorist cells in the UK then the SIS will know about it. And if there is any terrorist attack that comes off now, you can bet it’s a false flag event

ermmm sure SIS might get a wiff of something but domestic intelligence activities are the jurisdiction of MI5 who when it comes to terrorism also work very closely with SO15 and JTAC (I will let you go and google that so you can pretend to know what i am talking about). To be clear SIS cares more about outside threats and MI5 deals with the domestic stuff so you are talking out of the wrong hole.

Speaking of talking out of the wrong hole....

In the UK, they can track any person on camera from Cornwall to Scotland, and if that person has a car and phone then this is done with ease.

is total bollocks.

and this...

Britain does not have a democracy. David Cameron was allowed to form a majority government with only get 36% share of the vote. And if you include everyone that can vote, then that number is 24%. That means that 76% of British people either did not vote, or did not vote for the Conservative Party. Incredible.

has nothing to do with the OP but does a really good job of demonstrating your lack of knowledge when it comes to politics in the UK

originally posted by: nonspecific
I have to disagree with this.

I understand that you think this is the way it is and as a fellow CT'er it seems to make sense but it is simply not true.

I will not go into great detail about this but we both know that what you are saying has no grounding in fact and cannot actually happen unless you live in a paranoid world.

I know trying to prove something is futile when I have been informed by police of this. So I will need mainstream media articles to back it up. However, after doing just a quick search I have found a few.


Is your face on a national database with the other 18 million?
www.mirror.co.uk...

Police ANPR spy cameras now photographing 30 million people every single day!
www.mirror.co.uk...

What exactly do you not believe? Please state what cameras I have misinformed you with, there is no point is dismissing my post and then claim “I will not go into detail”.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
is total bollocks.

and this...

an uninformed opinion (yours) is just that. However, please also read threads further along before replying. Otherwise posters might find themselves (in this case me) repeating themselves.

Thank you for your input though. It was really......"eye opening".

originally posted by: Debunkology

originally posted by: nonspecific
I have to disagree with this.

I understand that you think this is the way it is and as a fellow CT'er it seems to make sense but it is simply not true.

I will not go into great detail about this but we both know that what you are saying has no grounding in fact and cannot actually happen unless you live in a paranoid world.

I know trying to prove something is futile when I have been informed by police of this. So I will need mainstream media articles to back it up. However, after doing just a quick search I have found a few.


Is your face on a national database with the other 18 million?
www.mirror.co.uk...

Police ANPR spy cameras now photographing 30 million people every single day!
www.mirror.co.uk...

What exactly do you not believe? Please state what cameras I have misinformed you with, there is no point is dismissing my post and then claim “I will not go into detail”.

What can I say to that?

I did not click your links as I saw that they were both from the....

Mirror?

That bastion of research and reason?

As I said good luck with that. I feel that we cannot converse as you have already made up your mind and have chosen a different path to me.

I know for a fact that you are incorrect but cannot prove it to you and even if I could would choose not to as it would be pointless.

a reply to: anxiouswens

I can't help but remember this when it came out a few years ago in the Telegraph newspaper. It didn't make sense then, and still doesn't nor did it have an author. People by the droves were calling in demanding an answer for why they even put something like this in. Needless to say, people calling in looking for answers were treated incredibly rudely by those working there, and told many to bugger off. Strange? i'll say..


Operation Blackjack as 'they whoever they were', called it, depicts several Westernized cities around the world being Nuked.
www.telegraph.co.uk...

a reply to: nonspecific He's right about Motorways and many A roads with ANPR cameras though but B roads nah, that cop was yanking his chain and it seems to have worked lol

*edit*
...ask any vehicle thief in the UK.

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: Debunkology

originally posted by: nonspecific
I have to disagree with this.

I understand that you think this is the way it is and as a fellow CT'er it seems to make sense but it is simply not true.

I will not go into great detail about this but we both know that what you are saying has no grounding in fact and cannot actually happen unless you live in a paranoid world.

I know trying to prove something is futile when I have been informed by police of this. So I will need mainstream media articles to back it up. However, after doing just a quick search I have found a few.


Is your face on a national database with the other 18 million?
www.mirror.co.uk...

Police ANPR spy cameras now photographing 30 million people every single day!
www.mirror.co.uk...

What exactly do you not believe? Please state what cameras I have misinformed you with, there is no point is dismissing my post and then claim “I will not go into detail”.

What can I say to that?

I did not click your links as I saw that they were both from the....

Mirror?

That bastion of research and reason?

As I said good luck with that. I feel that we cannot converse as you have already made up your mind and have chosen a different path to me.

I know for a fact that you are incorrect but cannot prove it to you and even if I could would choose not to as it would be pointless.

When a police officer tells me about these cameras who I know personally, and who has done a segment on West country news of how drug dealers were tracked from Cornwall to Birmingham using CCTV, and when I actually start seeing mainstream media articles involve these cameras then of course my mind will be leaning to one side. However I have a perfectly good reason.

It looks like however that it is YOU who has made their minds up. For what reasons? It is upto you if you want to close your eyes, ears, and mind. I find that dissapointing.

Ignorance truly is bliss isn't it.

Sounds to me like they are planning simultaneous nuclear attacks.

I've recently completed a Firearms safety course and the instructors told me how many people are applying for guns in the UK, no wonder people are fed up of the police treating the victims like criminals and the criminals like honoured guests in case they get called racist or bigots.
People are now looking to themselves for protection and justice even more so these days