What's causing the migration crisis?

a reply to: dollukka

"It is about bring chaos, taking away your citizen rights and this is what leads EU in civil war.. check out Bilderberg 2015 issues they were discussing in their meeting ."

I can't find any list of the 2015 list of issues of the meeting. Do you have anything?

originally posted by: kumiho
a reply to: Sargeras

I dont think you know how Swedish Law works do you?
In 2005 we changed the law defining what could be called a rape, charges skyrocketed, convictions, take a wild guess??
Didnt...

When did a prosecution occur for a girl defending herself from a muslim, so we starting with lies?

It's on Ats new topics page right now, within 3 threads of this thread.

Lies you say..... Ok

Edit to add-my mistake it was a Danish girl

originally posted by: ArnoldNonymous
Hey if we go to ________ they will give us free housing and food and money! We just have to go there!

You win the "Captain Obvious" award!

I wonder why so many people don't understand this as the primary motivation.

a reply to: Sargeras

A blog as a reference? You gotta be f****** kidding me, in the nordic countries is obliged by the law to verify your claim as a editor in chief, you know as a real Newspaper, you know a verified source of information and a person responsible, that if, you break the law, with lies you can get convicted..

Wow, this world just keeps get more retarded by the second

a reply to: TonyS

I went through it in one of my threads n last september..

List was
topics of 2015 Bilderberg group.

Artificial Intelligence
Cybersecurity
Chemical Weapons Threats
Current Economic Issues
European Strategy
Globalisation
Greece
Iran
Middle East
NATO
Russia
Terrorism
United Kingdom
USA
US Elections

originally posted by: kumiho
a reply to: angeldoll

wow, rofl! How about you learn some swedish and we can have a conversation outside of the english illusion of make believe

I will take that as( yet another), you are unable to do it.

a reply to: angeldoll

i wont go down to pressbyrån to buy a newspaper of todays date, take a picture of it with my name, so you can see that im a swede, no i really wont do that, take a wild guess to why..?

They were told a fairytale like many in the USA are that europe is a socialist utopia. They are soo rich they just give away free anything. And told likely in mosques that western women give away sex, are immoral, etc.
It's quite the enticing fairytale

Why the idea caught on is up to speculation. Once an idea reaches like 10% of the population is spreads out of control reaching everyone.

Combined with their countries likely do not have enough resources for their soaring populations. Theyre having lots of kids and modern medicine is now getting all of those kids to adulthood to make more kids.

Unlike western countries, nearly all immigrants come from countries which have low amounts of arable land.

a reply to: dollukka

Thanks, yea.......I'd seen that but forgot all about it. I have CRS disease, i.e., "Can't Remember #hit disease".

So, I guess you're thinking is that the Bildeberg group is looking at some European Strategy, but..........for what? What appears to be happening at the moment is that there's a growing threat of the Euro Zone falling apart do to a number of reasons, but the big one seems to be economic and banking crisis. I can't quite understand how the Refugee crisis fits into that unless there's a concern about growing civil unrest in the native European populations over the migration swarm.

On another note, i.e., as to why the Euro Elites are allowing the migrant wave into Europe, this link to a story about how Globalization by and for the Corporations contains within in it as a policy, a formula which sets the Corporations up for ultimate fail as the consumer base dries up: See: jonrappoport.wordpress.com...

I can't vouch for that blogspot; I don't know that guy, but when I read the piece it made me think that maybe the Elites see the migrant wave as a way to bolster consumption in the Euro zone; i.e. they are intentionally immigrating in new consumers!

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: TonyS

I went through it in one of my threads n last september..

List was
topics of 2015 Bilderberg group.

Artificial Intelligence
Cybersecurity
Chemical Weapons Threats
Current Economic Issues
European Strategy
Globalisation
Greece
Iran
Middle East
NATO
Russia
Terrorism
United Kingdom
USA
US Elections

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shadow of death

a reply to: TonyS

European strategy has been rolling 3 years in Bilderberg meetings. 2013 they talked about how to create more jobs in US and Europe, developments in Middle East, next years about future of democracy and middle class trap ( is middle class a trap to someone who is middle class, is middle class trap something which should be removed totally.. who benefits removing it ?.. how to remove it ?) What next for Europe topic also Who will pay for the demographics? discussion.
What would be a good strategy to remove middle class and create jobs ? Mass immigration does create jobs for social workers etc and jobs are paid by taxpayers money, now we can see how middle class will get more poor, don´t we ? Who benefits from it.. EU as a institution and as part of globalisation. Mass immigration makes EU countries more economically vunerable than they were which makes EU central bank and it´s financing to EU countries stronger and not only central bank of EU alone but where it gets the money from.. fiscal financing is losing it´s power because the bill is too high. Who has the money has the power.

Makes you think...

TPTB have been screwing around in the Middle East for a long time now. Recently, however, support for all the war and conflict has been dropping. Normally you have things like false flag attacks, lies, etc etc... But when even that stops working, what do you do? Flood Europe with "refugees" who come from a culture where rape is acceptable, and then tell the police they're not allowed to arrest or deport, because these people "don't know better". Europeans who would have otherwise been supportive of refugees are now coming together in record numbers and speaking out about the invaders coming to rape and assault their women. The people are becoming more vocal and more angry, all the while more refugees are being allowed in and more violence is taking place.
It's genius, really. I strongly suspect that the powers behind this refugee influx have zero positive intentions in mind. The leaders of these countries, such as Sweden and Germany, know damn well what is going on in their countries, and yet they push for more and more. They WANT Europeans to hate Middle Easterners. It's working -perfectly-, and the shootings and bombings haven't even taken off yet.
It'll be a good show, folks.

a reply to: intrptr
The UK controls its border on the French side of the channel and thousands of men are camped out waiting for the chance to enter the UK illegally.
Pretty much blows a hole in your argument don't you think?

originally posted by: kumiho

i no i really wont do that, take a wild guess to why..?

No. No wild guess.

For some strange reason, you are starting to grow-on-me (as they say] I'm gone for the day.

edit on 1/30/2016 by angeldoll because: (no reason given)

Its actually pretty logical, as I see it :

1) Legitimate refugees from Syria were welcomed to Germany. There were crowds with banners and flowers waiting to welcome these people. When people back in Syria saw this, they were obviously going to be tempted to follow their countrymen to Europe - which was portrayed as being modern, luxurious, with a great standard of living, and free housing, benefits, etc. This is obviously a much better option than staying in a war-ravaged wreck of a country and risk death from Isis, starvation, etc.

2) When non-refugees from countries other than Syria saw what was happening, they decided they wanted a piece too. Why wouldn't they? So now you have economic migrants from Northern Africa and Eastern Europe, many playing the refugee card - pretending to be Syrian and insisting that they lost their papers in the war. These people want a better life for themselves and their families - of course they do. Its pretty understandable.

3) Europe became overwhelmed - for a while it was more or less an open borders situation, with anyone coming through who wanted to. The relative ease attracted even more migrants, and the momentum just snowballed more and more. After all, if you lived in a country with a poor standard of living, wouldn't you be tempted to make the journey? Of course you would.

I live in the UK, but if I had the chance to emigrate to the US or Canada, I'd jump at the chance. These people are just doing the same.

So there's really no need for some big conspiracy theory. I believe that Angela Merkel made an absolutely ghastly, shockingly bad error - by sending out the message that these immigrants were so welcome, she triggered a sudden, out-of-control surge which couldn't be controlled. Many Europeans feel threatened - which is understandable. But its also easy to see the situation from the perspective of someone wanting to better their life by coming to Europe.

a reply to: Millions
Yep Merkel #ed it as I and others warned all those months ago, tragic and funny that ATS members argued that there wouldn't be a problem at the time.
I was even accused of being a hater for advocating massive aid in situ at Turkey, Jordan etc instead of a crazy "come to Germany" call.
I told you so is appropriate, yet bizarrely the same folk advocate that the UK should let those thousands of men camped in France into Britain - #ing nuts bleeding hearts.

Most emigrants aren't genuine asylum seekers they are economic chancers willing to risk their lives for a better one because western countries are better set up than islamic ones.


A read through the papers from me countries will tell you horrific stories of pregnant women being turned away from hospitals because they can't pay, drug addiction running at huge numbers within the population and the problems of family pressures we don't live with so much in the West - just to name a few problems in the islamic world. There is also a problem with inbreeding, rape and religious/state bullying and disregard for human rights.

However can't get away from the idea that this is all being staged, probably by more than one vested interest but its got wildly out of control.

It also takes the headlines away from what is probably closing on us all in like the horemen of the apocalypse, environmental problems such as fertile land and water, plus the collapse of the world's financial system. We must be coming to the end of this failed and nonsensical system and the readjustment won't be pleasant. So a little distraction will not go amiss whilst the money men reinvest and reinvent themselves. Mass migration into countries that can't afford to support thousands of people, many unskilled will collapse the infrastructure of the host country.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

I like what David Icke has said about it, it's just a part of the new world order... Pushing multiculturalism, dissolving nations and their sovereignty (EU), creating a problem which only the government can then provide a solution...

When people will be crying help for the governments, the NWO could really start kicking in... as the savior of mankind.

A piece of fiction called the Koran is causing it.

Islam is a system of religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component being a cover for all of the other components with Islamisation beginning when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges and the system it brings with it.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well. If the Muslim population remains around or under 3% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving Minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in: United States -- Muslim 2% Australia -- Muslim 2.5% Canada -- Muslim 2.8% Norway -- Muslim 2.8% China -- Muslim 2.9% Italy -- Muslim 2.5%

At 3% to 8%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in: Denmark -- Muslim 5% Germany -- Muslim 6.7% United Kingdom -- Muslim 7.7% Spain -- Muslim 8% Thailand -- Muslim 7.6%

From 8% on, they begin exercising an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.For example, pushing for the introduction of halal food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. Increase pressure on supermarket chains to have halal food on their shelves, along with threats for failure to comply.

This is occurring in France -- Muslim 12% Philippines -- 9% Sweden -- Muslim 8% Switzerland -- Muslim 8.3% The Netherlands -- Muslim 8.5% Trinidad& Tobago -- Muslim 10.8% . At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists being to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 15% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons, and films about Islam.Such tensions seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in: Guyana -- Muslim 15% India -- Muslim 19.4% Israel -- Muslim 16% Kenya -- Muslim 18% Russia -- Muslim 21%

Reaching 25%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in: Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in: Bosnia -- Muslim 40% Chad -- Muslim 53.1% Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in: Albania -- Muslim 70% Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4% Qatar -- Muslim 77.5% Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim. Experienced and in some ways on-going in: Bangladesh -- Muslim 83% Egypt -- Muslim 90% Gaza -- Muslim 98.7% Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1% Iran -- Muslim 98% Iraq -- Muslim 97% Jordan -- Muslim 92% Morocco -- Muslim 98.7% Pakistan -- Muslim 97% Syria -- Muslim 90% Tajikistan -- Muslim 90% Turkey -- Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% ushers in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:Afghanistan -- Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100% Somalia -- Muslim 100% Yemen -- Muslim 100%. Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

It is also important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not try to enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To associate with an infidel can be a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 2 billion Muslims make up 28% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers and it is this that will be the biggest crisis that the world faces.

books.google.com.au...

a reply to: grainofsand

What "theory"?