New Testament original texts, where are they?

a reply to: queenofswordsTrue again. But that bathwater has GOT to go, if it's his will.

a reply to: queenofswords

Go to the first chapter and ask who is this book written to?

Hint: the name of the Book.

I follow the writings for the body of Christ, to read and to study the word of truth. Where it is applicable as Solomon wrote

2 Tim 2:15 Study. . . rightly dividing the word of truth.
Ps 119:9, 11Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word. . . Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

It is my duty to hide it in my heart not God to put it there.

Covenants were always for Israel and their progenitors (Abraham, Issac and Jacob).

I have a New Testament

2 Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Solomon is actually a mythical legend, as no evidence of his glorious kingdom actually exists. Such a wealthy dominant kingdom could not have escaped the historical record, as we know of older, lesser kingdoms quite well.

Same with moses, Joshua and many other people. Orthodox Jews don't teach that everything in the OT is literal that is specifically a Christian teaching.

But this thread is on the New Testament, which is from a time that they did believe that. If God donned the flesh, that is the Apex of important historical events. No excuse is sufficient to explain the disappearance of the recording of a historically important thing like God dying for our eternal salvation.

a reply to: areyousirius360

Not really.

I'm just wondering. You say it's all BS. That implies you don't believe. If you don't believe, than what is your motive for getting angry at a being that doesn't exist because it didn't preserve the original copies of its word? Either it exists and you should get angry at it for not doing so, or it doesn't exist and your anger is entirely misplaced.

You are the one who keeps this all going. So I am simply beginning to wonder why. At this point, I am beginning to conclude that you are evangelizing for atheism. After all, you don't believe and you want to convince all of us that we shouldn't, either. Otherwise, there is no point to continuing to be angry at a being you don't believe exists.

I might as well get angry at the tooth fairy.

a reply to: ChesterJohnif the letter kills and the Spirit gives life, that fully supports my previous statement that listening to the Holy Spirit is more important than taking every letter of the bible as literal truth. You can't quote the bible to prove the bible is true, that isn't how it works. Anyone can quote the bible, but does the Spirit exist in you? If so he also exists in your words. If you want people to think you know what your talking about then you have to do something besides quoting scripture.

a reply to: ketsuko
I never said it's all BS now your speaking for me. I don't think you have sent me anything but complaints about my thread. You need to ask yourself why? Like why can't you contribute without complaining or accusing me of making up my own version of God. Just stop, think, and contribute something besides angry tirades, please find your inner peace.

a reply to: areyousirius360

How would you even know about the Holy Spirit if you didn't put some credence in scripture to begin with?

You can do all kinds of things in life, but reality is that God speaks through His word as much as other means. The Word tells you how to begin to seek Him. You aren't getting there by incessant random naval gazing.

originally posted by: areyousirius360
a reply to: ketsuko
I never said it's all BS now your speaking for me. I don't think you have sent me anything but complaints about my thread. You need to ask yourself why? Like why can't you contribute without complaining or accusing me of making up my own version of God. Just stop, think, and contribute something besides angry tirades, please find your inner peace.

Not really. These are your words.

It's for calling BS where I see BS. BS.

As far as finding inner peace? I have plenty. If anything, you amuse, not enrage. You've tied yourself into so many rhetorical knots.

So now, are we talking about a different meaning of BS ... is it perhaps a new abbreviation than the standard? Or did you not just call BS where you see BS?

a reply to: ketsuko
Also I never tried convincing anyone of anything. I am not an atheist, and I don't think they evangelize either. Life is full of questions. I just asked one. One that can't be answered but is fun to discuss anyway. Please stop pestering me I am not trying to tell you what to believe.

a reply to: ketsuko
But what was I calling BS? It wasn't the bible, atleast not all of it. You asked me what discernment was for and I gave you that answer, and another answer later. I'm not going to argue with you if you want to talk about the New Testament original texts feel free. If not have a great night/day ( I don't know where your from)

a reply to: ketsuko
Ok I have to ask you to show me one of my rhetorical nots now.

a reply to: ketsuko
And another thing, out of all the legends and myths about gods throughout history it just so happens that the one YOU believe, out of all the religions in the world, is the true one. Hindus Bhuddists, Jews, Muslims, Parsees, all the rest of the world who doesn't believe what you believe deserves no afterlife just your elitist faith. BS. And on top of that your "proof" is a book written who knows when by who knows who. Just like the Mormons, but they are wrong too, and your religion gets logical immunity? BS.

a reply to: areyousirius360

The preserved written words of God are very important and The Holy Spirit/Ghost will never negate the Words of the Bible. Listening is important unless it goes against the word of God. Then you know it is not the Holy Spirit/Ghost.

The Holy Ghost is only in me because I believed on Christ. It is not in people who don't believe so they wont have the same witness to God's word unless it is for salvation.

The Living Word had the witness of Scripture and therefore the Written Word has scriptural witness as well.

a reply to: ChesterJohnTo bad God changed the bible so much that people can't agree with each other in the same religion. If the bible is a magic book perfectly preserved then why do different translations say contradicting things. Such as the Masoretic texts saying sons of Israel where every other translations say Sons of God. That's not perfect preservation as you claim the bible is perfectly preserved. Israel is not God. Therefore not perfectly preserved, therefore not reliable. But the Holy Spirit is. And he's with me and I don't believe Jesus is God.

a reply to: ChesterJohn
And the Holy SPIRIT is not a dead person so not a ghost. No wonder.

originally posted by: areyousirius360
a reply to: ketsuko
Also I never tried convincing anyone of anything. I am not an atheist, and I don't think they evangelize either.

Ah yes, they can.... and do...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Evangelical Atheist: An evangelical atheist is one who not only believes there is no god or other supreme being, but is obsessed with convincing everyone around them to become an atheist too, usually through hard-line intolerance (the kind they accuse other religions of).

When cornered they usually try to put down their opponent's religion and bash them for 'blind faith', not realizing that their belief that there is no god is no more or less valid or provable than the other guy's belief that there is one.

Not to be confused with normal atheists/agnostics, who for the most part just don't talk about religion and accept the beliefs of those around them as their prerogative. Evangelical atheists are particularly common on the Internet, as organized religion is generally accepted as part of 'the system' of global human society, and lately it's become cool on the Internet to hate 'the system'.

Evangelical atheist usually seeks to "convert" borderline theists, often by engaging in debate with fundamentalists.

a reply to: infolurker
That's people for you. Always preaching whether they believe or not. What would an atheist have to gain from converting someone? Personal satisfaction? I figured there had to be some, just not on an organized level.

a reply to: areyousirius360

The question I would ask you is,

Would displaying the original writings allow you to perceive what the manuscripts are describing?

As the classic Koan states ,Do you need my finger to point to the Moon,to see the Moon...?

With respect...