What if 'God' simply wants to experience everything?

a reply to: Profusion

What if 'God' simply wants to experience everything?

I wish there were a feature that allowed me to transfer my flags to you when the one just won't do, I'd likely give you them all at the moment, because I'm impulsive like that.

Have a good weekend.

akushla99

misquoting me - (i.e. 'You'll notice I never said I was a pantheist, or that 'I' was everything)

Hmmm yea you did...

I am every time, every thing, every experience

Here is the totality of the post you said it in just in case your forgot.

Hahaha...a temporal position from an untemporal thing...

Its wider meaning is gleaned from all cosmologies (they all have the same statement)...meaning, I am the beginning (since I created everything), the end (whatever that could mean to a being outside time), and everything in between...no different to any other cosmology...

I am every time, every thing, every experience...But you can all cling to the separationist ideology that necessitates the furrowedbrow discussions of free will and sin...at your leisure...hahaha

Å99

Unless of course you are saying that is what this deity is saying? In any event if a deity said such a thing... it would still be pantheistic theology. Sorry it is what it is. If a deity is everything in the universe it is pantheistic.
What exactly do you think pantheism is?

a reply to: Profusion

If every single thing that is not infinite is finite.

If every single thing that can and will be experienced is finite in this reality.

Finite is trying to become infinite in this reality (look into the patterns of nature if you have not already to begin with for starters)

Then surely, infinity has to have been finite as part of its infinite nature or it cannot be infinite can it?

You are bang on in my opinion from your viewpoint (all that matters) and regardless of anything else, from my opinion to a spec of dust. How can anyone ever be correct if everything exists to experience the boundaries of finite existence?

a reply to: Profusion

There is a nice story that you should read!

Right here

originally posted by: Profusion
I do not believe the theory I'm going to present here. I'm only presenting this theory as a thought experiment. In order to consider this theory, you need to make some assumptions which are summed up in the following sentence:

The creator of the universe designed the universe for one consciousness (the creator's consciousness) to experience every possible experience subjectively.

What that means is that every living thing contains part of the creator's consciousness. The creator can therefore simultaneously experience what it's like to be every living thing from the unique perspective of that thing (that's the subjective part). The creator can then learn what it's like to be every animal, every plant, every insect, etc. in a very genuine way.

That assumption is not a unique thought on my part. But, I believe the rest of the theory I'm presenting in this post may be new.

What if "God" simply wants to experience everything?

The way I see that question could shine a whole new light on everything that's happening in the world. It seems like many people have questions about life such as:

Why does "God" allow bad things to happen to good people?
Why does "God" allow so much suffering?
Why does "God" allow so much disease?
Why did "God" create such a "dog eat dog" world?

With my theory, there is one answer to all of those questions and many more and it is simple and understandable:
"God" wants to try out everything for self-growth and to see what he/she/it likes.
If really realistic virtual reality existed, would you like to try out your fantasies? Would you like to try out your nightmares? I would. In a virtual reality environment, why put limits on it?

If you were the kind of powerful being that "God" must be, perhaps you would want to try everything too. You could be a bear hunting for fish and be the fish. You could be both sides of a sporting event. You could be both sides of a war. It could sure be a cure for boredom at the very least.
If you were an all-powerful kind of being there may be no way that you could ever personally experience fear. However, within the context of existence in an animal's body, you could experience fear. And, you could experience joy, pain, and every other feeling and emotion imaginable.

This sounds very much (almost too) similar to a prior thread of mine posted:
"Has God exhausted Itself" (using the human experience as its main source of expression). You might enjoy the thread (one is only as good as ones contributors).

originally posted by: Rapha

originally posted by: Profusion
What if "God" simply wants to experience everything?

The God Presence that exists beyond this universe is everything.

Through the Blood of His begotten Son, Jesus He has already saved those mortals that have faith in His Son.
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That's your literal interpretation but perhaps there is a message hidden within symbolism that your missing.

John 14:6 for example. "No one comes to the Father except through me."

In Hinduism/Buddhism before we can become one with the universal soul (Father or Brahma) we first must become one with our own soul (Son or Atman). When we achieve this state it is called enlightenment - John 10:30 "I and the Father are one",

To become enlightened In Buddhism one practices bodhisattva which is a sole desire to attain enlightenment to help others free themselves from pain (rebirth). And that can only be achieved by giving unconditional love to all others. Likewise John 15:12 "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you." Perhaps the most important message in the NT thus emphasized as a command.

I read both books but master of none so you can safely ignore my words as nonsense.

originally posted by: Punisher75
akushla99

misquoting me - (i.e. 'You'll notice I never said I was a pantheist, or that 'I' was everything)

Hmmm yea you did...

I am every time, every thing, every experience

Here is the totality of the post you said it in just in case your forgot.

Hahaha...a temporal position from an untemporal thing...

Its wider meaning is gleaned from all cosmologies (they all have the same statement)...meaning, I am the beginning (since I created everything), the end (whatever that could mean to a being outside time), and everything in between...no different to any other cosmology...

I am every time, every thing, every experience...But you can all cling to the separationist ideology that necessitates the furrowedbrow discussions of free will and sin...at your leisure...hahaha

Å99

Unless of course you are saying that is what this deity is saying? In any event if a deity said such a thing... it would still be pantheistic theology. Sorry it is what it is. If a deity is everything in the universe it is pantheistic.
What exactly do you think pantheism is?

"Unless of course you are saying that is what this deity is saying?"

That is what I am saying - well done! Therefore everything you've made up about my 'theology' is based on this misunderstanding...

Your definition of pantheism fits christianity. How do you reconcile that everything is created by God, comes from God - yet they are not of the essence of God? One of your last statements says exactly that!

"If a deity is everything in the universe it is pantheistic."

Capiche?

Å99

a reply to: Punisher75

I don't believe he is presupposing anything really. I believe what he's saying is that the reason god doesn't intervene in situations we find horrible or disastrous is because it created everything and as separate vehicles for it to experience it's own creation, intervening in an situation would take away from the experience no matter how good or bad it may be.

When it comes to god being omniscient and already knowing what it likes then you would be right, however that would be the point of this whole experiment. Being born into many different lives and once you're their you have no memory of being god, only the experiences that you make traveling through this existence that you've created for yourself in all your forms.

None of this is presupposed, it's just a thought about what God could be doing in his spare time

a reply to: glend

Just adding a side thought to this but another meaning to the loving those as you would love yourself and tying that into the OP it would make sense to love everyone as you would love yourself because if we are all a part of God and just in different bodies then when you are loving your neighbor you are at the same time loving yourself literally.

a reply to: Profusion

Ok...I've read all the post's so far and no one seems to have brought this into the picture.

First....God would be infinite. Can you wrap your head around that?

Second...we know that all matter is made up of empty space....so this reality is an illusion. That should solve a lot of things right there. This whole reality is playing out in the mind of God...which I prefer Source.

Having said that...

So, coming from a perfect eternity , where Source knows all...the very fact that HE knows all makes it a very static, even stagnant situation. Can't ever experience a new thought? Can't experience anything NEW, as He knows all.

Like you mentioned, all matter has some level of consciousness or Source. We tend to be on the higher rungs of the ladder.

The beautiful plan of Source goes something like this. So He knows all...He creates 'sparks' of himself in which to experience the infinite regions of his being. But how?

Through the simple act of AMNESIA. Just like in reincarnation. Source projects it's self outward...creates bodies, souls, molecules and atoms...whatever...and with each incarnation of existence comes a healthy dose of Amnesia.

This Amnesia allows Source to experience all life as if for the first time, anew...in an infinite way.

We are all simply extensions of Source. We are the fingertips of the creator sifting through experiences. Our lives are the dreams of the creator.

originally posted by: Eladria
a reply to: Peeple

Because you can't be all-knowing if there is nothing to know.

The only reason you knowwhat chocolate tastes like is because you have experiencedeating chocolate. God found out what chocolate tastes like the same way (through us).

"The only way to know the truth is to become one with it"

Really? I'd guess that says more about you than about this divine entity, the artist formerly known as creator.
He started wars, suffering, starving children and all that because he wanted to know what suffering feels like?
What a prick... Not to forget human traficking, organ harvest, rape, mental and physical diseases...

a reply to: Profusion

Why does "God" allow bad things to happen to good people?

He doesn't, humans are only stupid enough to assume he does.
God didn't even create us to die.
One thing for sure is, you can just make up more crap to say
about him because you don't believe in him anyway. God just
wanted to experience love and companionship. That's the
only reason you're alive. All he's gotten out of the deal so far
is a broken heart. And everyone of us from me to you are
responsible. I don't know about you, but that makes me
ashamed for all of us. And any one with sense of humanity
who does believe in him. Should feel the same.

Why does "God" allow so much suffering?
Why does "God" allow so much disease?
Why did "God" create such a "dog eat dog" world?

"......... " "........................."..................."

a reply to: Peeple

You're not even willing to reason anything out so it makes
sense in your own mind. Because of your addiction to your
own ignorant opinion. Like some little child you cry out the
questions why?
And then believe your own stupid answers to those
questions. It's truly the hieght of redundant stupidity
of the non believer. If you don't believe? Get the hell
on with your business and quit worrying about it. Stop
listening to that little voice in your head that makes you
participate in something you couldn't care less about.

Sorry if the truth offends you.

a reply to: randyvs

Haha, did i insult your almighty excuse for dumbasserie? Will he strike me with a lightning?
Why do you care what i think? God is dead. Bow to reality.

a reply to: Peeple

Why do you care what i think?

Because the negative things you think, turn into the stupid
things you say. And that in turn affects others in the most
negative way. Like a fake porcelain horse, you're stuck on a
merry go round for life. And it was never fun or funny in the
first place. Only redundant.

a reply to: randyvs

Now you called me stupid again. Wow makes you look super smart... Great discussion, you just can't handle different opinions. So live your delusion.
Your god is an ass.

a reply to: Peeple

Even smart peeple say stupid things. Pointing that out
in no way is calling you stupid. It does prove how negative
thoughts effect your thinking tho. Wouldn't you say?
My God is God and I thought I was handling your opinion
just fine.

originally posted by: akushla99

originally posted by: Punisher75
akushla99

misquoting me - (i.e. 'You'll notice I never said I was a pantheist, or that 'I' was everything)

Hmmm yea you did...

I am every time, every thing, every experience

Here is the totality of the post you said it in just in case your forgot.

Hahaha...a temporal position from an untemporal thing...

Its wider meaning is gleaned from all cosmologies (they all have the same statement)...meaning, I am the beginning (since I created everything), the end (whatever that could mean to a being outside time), and everything in between...no different to any other cosmology...

I am every time, every thing, every experience...But you can all cling to the separationist ideology that necessitates the furrowedbrow discussions of free will and sin...at your leisure...hahaha

Å99

Unless of course you are saying that is what this deity is saying? In any event if a deity said such a thing... it would still be pantheistic theology. Sorry it is what it is. If a deity is everything in the universe it is pantheistic.
What exactly do you think pantheism is?

"Unless of course you are saying that is what this deity is saying?"

That is what I am saying - well done! Therefore everything you've made up about my 'theology' is based on this misunderstanding...

Your definition of pantheism fits christianity. How do you reconcile that everything is created by God, comes from God - yet they are not of the essence of God? One of your last statements says exactly that!

"If a deity is everything in the universe it is pantheistic."

Capiche?

Å99

Your definition of pantheism fits christianity. How do you reconcile that everything is created by God, comes from God - yet they are not of the essence of God

Because coming from some thing is not the same as being that thing that you came from.

originally posted by: Profusion
I do not believe the theory I'm going to present here. I'm only presenting this theory as a thought experiment. In order to consider this theory, you need to make some assumptions which are summed up in the following sentence:

I think you should believe in it rather than present it as a thought experiment. It came to you as an insight .

I do think that God divided himself into MINI-MEs to find out what he was about and experience everything as you state.

No need to be scared of the Bible-brandishing clan or the super-Skeptic and rational types here on ATS. Remember this is the Metaphysical and Philosophy forum

S+F for you

a reply to: Punisher75

This may be strictly true at this level of existence, c/o 4D separationist procedure (which can be understood by reading cosmological treatises that all say the same)...The OP poses the question...why?

It would be presumtuous to posit that the source of a creation were not responsible for the appearance of its creation, clearly - no cosmology can claim it all appeared, on its own - let alone the 'furniture' and environment into which it was all placed to do what? That is the OP question. At the base of it, is Why(?).
Why does an omni-everything Source produce a manifestation? To what purpose?...perhaps none...except that the 'production' is an extension of Source, the likes of which, would prompt a Source (across multiple cosmologies) to utter 'statements' that refer to itself as everything in a complex, synergistic creation "I am the alpha and omega"...not merely the 'temporal' aspect, but all of it..."I AM"...and before it "I was", and after it "I will ever be"...

Where we, as the rubber - hits the road (4D), that concept is parenthesied by birth and death - the created 'furniture' and environment provide the tools for the 4D manufacture of bio-vessels for the insertion of an eternal aspect (recognised by all cosmologies) to extend itself across and through all of itself...the separation is an illusion that can only be seen because of the questions (and answers) it raises at the 4D level - Time is an illusion, 'Reality' is an illusion (paraphrase!)...and more cosmologies confirm it, rather than deny it, including christianity (theological hair-splitting aside)...

According to this, there may not be a reason 'Why', because the questions it raises are from a 4D perspective - not equipped within it to confirm or deny the illusion...or perhaps it is...


Å99