LaVoy Finicum (BUNDY) was NOT shot with his hands up! He charged at LEO's. (from others arrested)

a reply to: Boadicea

Sheriff Mack was involved in Printz as a secondary plaintiff I believe.

And I certainly agree with you about self-righteous indignation ... LOL.

And I share your sadness over unnecessary deaths.

Truth? That's a tall order. But we can hope.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

I don't think this was a targeted killing...

This sounds more like a targeted execution to me.

I suspect that these LEO's were most likely acting on orders from higher up the chain.

Could be hired contractors.

Not to sound like a broken record, but.

If you are going to try and incite a violent reaction that is going to get yourself killed, most likely you will incite a violent reaction that gets you killed.

The best thing to do is to not incite that reaction in the first place.

a reply to: ghostrager

What I found interesting is that the eyewitness said their phones weren't working and they didn't have reception.

However, the first vehicle that was stopped 200 yards behind Lavoys pickup did have reception Ammon Bundy called his wife after he was arrested. Which seems like a localized cell jammer could have been used.

From the HAM radio recording in the below video, residents stated that the entire surrounding area was on military lockdown with all exits closed off. Another resident stated that they were blocking cell phones through out the area.

You are correct. The FBI did not want anyone making any calls outside their range for help or telling the truth. My understanding is that many U Tubes videos have been shut down to keep a black out on what is still going on.

However we are still getting some information from some of the eyewitness on the ground as the FBI scrambles to control the flow of information.

The internet is to big for the FBI to control, they cannot stop all the leaks that are still coming out.

I would say the jurisdictional questions are fairly much settled ...

Oregon’s governor, Kate Brown, who has called on the federal government to enforce the law, asked Oregonians on Tuesday night to be patient as the investigation unfolded. The refuge is operated by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service.

New York Times article

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: ghostrager

What I found interesting is that the eyewitness said their phones weren't working and they didn't have reception.

However, the first vehicle that was stopped 200 yards behind Lavoys pickup did have reception Ammon Bundy called his wife after he was arrested. Which seems like a localized cell jammer could have been used.

From the HAM radio recording in the below video, residents stated that the entire surrounding area was on military lockdown with all exits closed off. Another resident stated that they were blocking cell phones through out the area.

You are correct. The FBI did not want anyone making any calls outside their range for help or telling the truth. My understanding is that many U Tubes videos have been shut down to keep a black out on what is still going on.

However we are still getting some information from some of the eyewitness on the ground as the FBI scrambles to control the flow of information.

The internet is to big for the FBI to control, they cannot stop all the leaks that are still coming out.

And this would be SOP, not to keep the "truth from getting out" but to keep the people they were trying to get from calling in reinforcements or worse. Sometimes, just sometimes, a pebble is just a pebble (and no this post is in no way designed to say I approve of the Government of the United States and how they have been known to handle a lot of situations, just a statement of fact that the FBI uses this sort of thing not to control the flow of information on the internet, but to keep a situation from escalating until it is over)

I mean think about it for a second.

You have a very volatile and fluid situation unfolding, you are trying to end it without any loss of life, yet there has already been one unfortunate incident, you want it to keep from becoming a major explosive incident, what would YOU do?

originally posted by: Informer1958

The internet is to big for the FBI to control, they cannot stop all the leaks that are still coming out.

No one can stop the flood of inaccurate information in this matter.

Stating such-and-so hearsay as "fact" a continent away and thereby further inflaming passions is nothing short of a travesty.

In my opinion.

Just found this little video that apparently shows "fake militia" talking about stuff (killing feds etc) when all of the sudden, someone off camera says something to the effect of "Hey guys, can I get you to sign TALENT RELEASES!".

Then one of the fakers runs to shut off the live feed. Interesting.

______beforeitsnews/alternative/2016/01/fake-oregon-militia-caught-red-handed-3288000.html

a reply to: annalisa2016

It shouldn't be a matter of whether we "like" the Federal Government or the Bundys or ANYTHING except cold, hard facts.

There should not be "sides" here ... this affects all of us as Americans.

a reply to: Gryphon66

No, many questions and more will arise.

There are 10 questions here, I pay particular attention to
these few I am posting.

8 Pressing Questions For the FBI After the Bundy Arrests

5. The police action involved Oregon State Police and the FBI and took place on a state highway, which is OSP rather than federal jurisdiction. Who was in charge?

6. The Grant County sheriff's comments in support of the protesters appeared to lead to the idea of holding a meeting in John Day. Were those comments a ruse aimed at drawing protesters off the refuge?

8. Why were those arrested booked into Multnomah County Jail, rather than Lane County Jail? Lane County also has a federal courthouse, and it's closer than Multnomah County to the site of the arrests.

www.wweek.com...

originally posted by: anon72
Just found this little video that apparently shows "fake militia" talking about stuff (killing feds etc) when all of the sudden, someone off camera says something to the effect of "Hey guys, can I get you to sign TALENT RELEASES!".

Then one of the fakers runs to shut off the live feed. Interesting.

______beforeitsnews/alternative/2016/01/fake-oregon-militia-caught-red-handed-3288000.html

Who watches the watchers?

Indeed.

In America people do not get assassinated that is not American, those that challenge the government and become too popular for it, or brings too much attention to government and special private interest tyranny they either died from natural causes, have unfortunate accidents, or the most popular before assassinations by police, was suicide with a note to prove it.

America is not different from any other tyrant country, here is just classified and tagged with many names so people will not feel scare.

After all the government in America cares about their people as long as they keep sipping in their pink cool aid and let the "proper authorities take care of them".

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: annalisa2016

It shouldn't be a matter of whether we "like" the Federal Government or the Bundys or ANYTHING except cold, hard facts.

There should not be "sides" here ... this affects all of us as Americans.

100% agreed, but you know someone would come along and call me one of those "names" unless I clarified my position.

a reply to: anon72

Lots of classic COINTELPRO with the whole affair.

Oathkeepers called out one as an agent.

a reply to: burntheships

5. The Governor of Oregon requested Federal assistance.

6. Complicated. Is there any logical reason to suspect that the Sheriff of Grant County is dishonest?

7. Cooperative State and Federal jurisdiction. Specific location is a matter of curiosity only.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: anon72

Lots of classic COINTELPRO with the whole affair.

Oathkeepers called out one as an agent.

Are you helping to find the truth?

Or muddle it further?

COINTELPRO indeed.

originally posted by: annalisa2016

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: annalisa2016

It shouldn't be a matter of whether we "like" the Federal Government or the Bundys or ANYTHING except cold, hard facts.

There should not be "sides" here ... this affects all of us as Americans.

100% agreed, but you know someone would come along and call me one of those "names" unless I clarified my position.

I would have put heavy odds on that as well. It's always good to be as clear as possible.

originally posted by: marg6043
In America people do not get assassinated that is not American, those that challenge the government and become too popular for it, or brings too much attention to government and special private interest tyranny they either died from natural causes, have unfortunate accidents, or the most popular before assassinations by police, was suicide with a note to prove it.

America is not different from any other tyrant country, here is just classified and tagged with many names so people will not feel scare.

After all the government in America cares about their people as long as they keep sipping in their pink cool aid and let the "proper authorities take care of them".

One would think, then, that Mr. FInicum would have died to a sniper's bullet (or perhaps a sudden massive cardiac event) rather than dying in the middle of a State highway with dozens of other cops, citizens and news crews nearby ...

a reply to: Gryphon66

Those questions, as you can see are written for answers from the FBI.

Thanks for your opinion though.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Boadicea

Sheriff Mack was involved in Printz as a secondary plaintiff I believe.

Ahhhh... that would explain why I misremembered it the way I did! Thank you.

And I share your sadness over unnecessary deaths.

Thank you -- misery loves company...

We have to do better. We just have to.