Was Steven Avery Framed By a Serial Killer?

This is a truly dreadful fiasco and I can't even imagine how Avery and his family must feel and him yet again being imprisoned. The evidence was sketchy at best.

Could it be I wonder if the serial killer did his "job" on behalf of the very unpleasant police force or at least with them turning a blind eye provided he implicated Avery?

As stupid as Avery may well be, with his record & history I doubt even he would be so utterly dumb as to "leave" the evidence he allegedly did.

Loved the show. I'm still not convinced that he is 100% innocent but given what we know I'm not sure how you can find him 100% guilty either. Regardless, I have to go with Occam's razor and state the most simple & logical answer is that Steven Avery probably did kill her.

The netflix "documentary" made out this sick sob as a victim that was enabled by his family the whole way. That was a movie made by the defense in the guise of a documentary.garbage family defends garbage values.a reply to: slapjacks

a reply to: HawkeyeNation

and yet if you were to apply Occam's razor to Avery's first conviction when he was 22, you could probably say the same thing. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one, he's guilty.

But, it's thinking like that that had a man wrongly imprisoned for almost 20 years. The simplest explanation is not always the correct one. His first conviction was a lot more complicated than it seemed and the circumstances surrounding his most recent conviction are certainly more complex than his 1st.

a reply to: strongfp

Not sure if this has been answered yet, but it wasn't his blood they found all over the car. They only found his blood by the ignition and on a tiny spot on the passenger side. The large amounts were Halbach's. And they found his vial of blood that had been taken for evidence with a pin hole in the cap and the security tape around the box holding the blood had been tampered with.

originally posted by: CallmeRaskolnikov
a reply to: HawkeyeNation

and yet if you were to apply Occam's razor to Avery's first conviction when he was 22, you could probably say the same thing. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one, he's guilty.

But, it's thinking like that that had a man wrongly imprisoned for almost 20 years. The simplest explanation is not always the correct one. His first conviction was a lot more complicated than it seemed and the circumstances surrounding his most recent conviction are certainly more complex than his 1st.

I'm not saying what we just know from the Netflix series but also the evidence that wasn't on the show that was presented. The show is completely one sided. It doesn't show us that Steven Avery stalked her the days prior or that his fiance at the time admitted that he would tie her up the same way Dassey had said Theresa was tied up.

The police #ed this up big time with their egos and trying to get ahead of themselves

a reply to: gmoneystunt

Has this got something to do with this Netflix drama? I've never seen it.

Everybody is talking about it and I don't know why. Is this just another criminograpghy or is this something else?

Has anyone read Ice Man or Gaspipe by Phillip Carlo? The Author of those books sat down with the killers and those who pursued them. I've got a number of books about serial killers and psychopaths and the theories that surround them so I ask again, is this just another criminograpghy or is this something else?

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

yeah, its a ten-part documentary(10 hours long) about two trials involving Steven Avery with actual footage of the legal proceedings. It has some twists and worth watching. It really hits home if you ever been accused of a crime that you didn't commit.

On Feb. 11, 2016, the Wisconsin Court of Appeals will hear the motions Avery filed.

www.usatoday.com...

Steven Avery filed several motions Monday (1/11/16) before the Wisconsin Court of Appeals seeking to be released on bond and making a variety of due process allegations. Avery claims that since his property was searched illegally, the evidence collected against him should not be part of his case. Avery also claims a juror influenced and intimidated other jurors into voting guilty.

wishtv.com...

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

yeah, its a ten-part documentary(10 hours long) about two trials involving Steven Avery with actual footage of the legal proceedings. It has some twists and worth watching. It really hits home if you ever been accused of a crime that you didn't commit.

Ah...Thank you.

However I have seen the Ice man and read his story. However if this a criminography of an man wrongly accused of a crime the I see a dangerous precedent that could be set. If A man can be guilty by media then can a man also be exonerated by media? Like I said I've never seen the show but I remember the Story of Tom Cream, a serial killer who's famous last words were "I am Jack" and many ripperologists believe that it was an confession.

I love insights into criminals but the media can warp some folks perceptions. Richard Kulinski Violently killed dozens if not hundreds of people but after his interview women wrote to him in Jail and sent him explicit photos and wanted to marry him. That's what TV can do to people.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Has this got something to do with this Netflix drama? I've never seen it. Everybody is talking about it and I don't know why. Is this just another criminograpghy or is this something else?

Oh no, its like the buddy who has not seen Stars Wars yet. Should we all starting typing in code?



Only teasing

originally posted by: Morrad
Interesting find. There was a thread on ATS in December about the Netflix series. Several members posted further background info on the Avery family.

Netflix's Docuseries Making a Murderer

I found larger non-blurred photos of Edward Wayne Edwards and I don't think its the same guy. I found this as well:

Ohio investigators watched news of Edwards' arrest and recognized the man. He had left town in 1997, shortly after the homicide of a young man he'd treated like a son. "There was an attempt to take the young man in. He became very close to the family. They talked about adopting but that was not allowed, and the victim changed his given name to Edwards' last name," Geauga County, Ohio Sheriff's Department Sgt. Brian Johnston said. Shortly after Dannie Boy Gloeckner changed his name to Dannie Boy Edwards, he was found dead from a shotgun wound to the head.

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Teresa Halbach was shot in the head. Maybe he murdered her and they planted the body and framed Avery for it. It is fairly obvious where the blood came from. The blood sample container. I find it odd that the FBI managed to formulate a test for EDTA within two weeks and claiming it was reliable.

The original MaM thread on ATS is still very much active and has a lot of iseful information regarding the case.

The OP's theory seems a little far fetched, tbh. As does the one he posted about in the original MaM thread stating that Colburn called in the plate from the Avery yard, with Halbach's boyfriend and roommate at his side two days before it was "found."

That makes no sense and is nothing but speculation from someone's Facebook...

One of the things that bugs me the most about this whole trial.

Officer Weigert calls in and talks to the dispatcher.





This right here is the fishiest thing I've ever seen. Something is definitely not right.

Why would he call in the tag 2 days before?

I'm thinking this guy found the car and had it moved to frame avery.

originally posted by: grey580
One of the things that bugs me the most about this whole trial.

Officer Weigert calls in and talks to the dispatcher.

This right here is the fishiest thing I've ever seen. Something is definitely not right.

Why would he call in the tag 2 days before?

I'm thinking this guy found the car and had it moved to frame avery.

I agree. Very suspicious. Like you said he either found the vehicle and moved it to Avery's or somebody (or himself) found the vehicle already on Avery's land and didn't have a search warrant for that property but then how did he call in the license plate number after Teresa went missing when the license plate wasn't even on the vehicle at the time the vehicle was found? Unless he actually removed the license plate

a reply to: grey580

Ahhh this is something I didn't pick up on, but have to say again dumb as Avery may be, there's no way he would just leave the woman's car there in plain view on his land when he had the means to dispose of it.

I just wanted to add this for people that may still be reading this thread,

This could be related to the same letter John Cameron mentioned that was sent to the Manitowoc County Sheriff’s Office or there may had been an Anonymous letter besides the Cryptic letter.

Buting said he found an Anonymous letter in the Calumet County file on the case mailed to the Mantowoc county sherriff’s department, and said it was found in the Green Bay post office after Halbach disappeared. The anonymous letter is among the items that Brendan Dassey's investigator Michael O'Kelly asked to have copies of for his May 12 meeting with Brendan.
Mike O'Kelly's email to Len Kachinsky (May 7, 2006)

The Anonymous Letter

Buting and Strang wanted to show the jurors an anonymous letter that was mailed to the Manitowoc County Sheriff’s Department, which suggested that body parts were “burned in the smelter at 3am on Friday.” A smelter is a furnace commonly used for burning metals. The Friday is presumed to be Friday, November 4, 2005, a day before Teresa’s body was discovered. Buting stated that ignoring the letter showed how investigators ignored any evidence that didn’t fit their theory of what happened to Halbach.

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a reply to: gmoneystunt

That letter proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Brendan was made to say what they wanted, and his lawyer had no notion what so ever of even thinking about helping this poor kid ( now an adult) have a fair trial.

Here's the anonymous cryptic letter
It was sent to the sheriffs. They dismissed it and did no investigation of any smelter. Interesting way of spelling aluminum. The 'd' in body is definitely interesting. It clearly looks like the 'd' is actually an 'e' and 'd' making 'ed'. Could that be Edward's signature? They spelled Manitowoc correctly, but misspelled Friday. Purposeful misdirection on the authors part?

Edward Wayne Edwards handwriting for comparison to anonymous cryptic letter
Steven Avery handwriting for comparison to anonymous cryptic letter
Brendan Dassey handwriting for comparison to anonymous cryptic letter

What are your thoughts ATS?

a reply to: Squirlli

Was Steven Avery Framed By a Serial Killer?

No, he is a homicidal psychopath who got what he deserved for murdering an innocent woman - LIFE IN PRISON.