Russia claims HYPERSONIC fighter

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: aorAki

They'd have to slow down to fire a missile or develop new missiles with a higher top speed. The stress of being that fast when launched wouldn't be good for the missile.

But surely the missile would already be travelling at multiple X MACH while attached to the aircraft...

Once the missiles engine fired up, the missile's max propulsion speed would need to be added to the speed it was already travelling before it was launched.

Like two cars travelling at 50 MPH smashing into each other at a relative speed of 100 MPH.

a reply to: MysterX

It´s about the stresses. Try to launch a paper plane out of your car while doing 200km/h. Of course it lacks propulsion but you should get the idea. For example, the missle is made for a top speed of mach4. If you´re flying at mach1, no problem. If you´re flying at mach4, big problem.

I don´t know if there are any controllers on there to keep it under the speed it would selfdisintegrate but I suppose.

i dont know why people think a mach 4 interceptor is so hard to achieve.

look at the LM CL-400 in 1958 was a mach 2.5(easy) air craft. then there is the mach 3 XB-70 and that was in the 1970's.

its 2016, im confidant Russia COULD make one, but do the HAVE one is a different question



as far as the inlets go

www.netl.doe.gov...

a reply to: penroc3

There hasn't even been an aircraft know to be capable of mach 3 since the 70s. The last Russian aircraft capable of speeds that fast required an almost complete overhaul after flying that fast.

It's not as easy as you think to build an aircraft capable of those speeds. It's also expensive as hell.

a reply to: penroc3

well isn't that something. pretty interesting link there. whered you find it?

a reply to: Zaphod58


i assume you mean the FOXBAT ?

everyone(US/RUS) has there little pet projects to sink money into.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BASSPLYR

Attaching and recovering them after take off.

Wow, that's pretty rad. About the coolest teenage thing I got to do was be the local Voice of the Corps of Engineers on Norad days.

didn't you build some laser in your backyard as a teen that was pretty powerful?

I framed a wall once when I was a teen, well they let me hammer some nails in the frame. I think the carpenter had to redo them all after I left.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

its amazing what you can find in white papers with a few key word searches. very interesting ideas in that power point ill admit. some of those 'ideas' look pretty mature

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
didn't you build some laser in your backyard as a teen that was pretty powerful?

Nah, that was someone I knew. He popped a satellite by accident tuning the thing. I did work testing a water hyacinth burning laser with the Corps of Engineering Corps when I was a teen, prior to the Army days.

However, the only cool thing I did as a teen on the order of what Zaphod is talking about was when, working for the USCEC, which at the time stood redundantly for United States Corps of Engineers Corps, I noticed a number of things that didn't make sense. One, we had a truly immense ability to generate electric power, with two very large diesels in a room underground hooked to generators. I had to maintain them, and every week had to crank them up, sync the gennies to the AC line, cut in the generators, then cut the outside feed and run the entire place off the generators for a few hours.

We also had a really amazing fabrication area where you could bend big steel plates and weld them to barges. But it was way too complex for that. And we could power all the welding/forming machinery from the diesels I ran.

And there was something to do with a dock. Only you couldn't see most of it.

And there was a huge antenna array on the roof, placed where it was tough to see.

Now, grant you, it was a big function of the place to maintain radios and sonar rigs for the river mat sinking boats. But it seemed out of place.

So one day, I mentioned the many many anomalies I had found to the guy that ran the place.

He introduced me to the OTHER function, which was a submarine pen for a single attack sub. We were set up to reprovision and repair an attack sub that could make it up the river. There was a huge freaking warehouse under the facility on the same floor as the generators, full of sub crap. And as part of it, there was a big comm system that I had been unaware of that went with the antenna array. Once a quarter, a really big number of facilities would have "NORAD day", and you would have to make very sure the radio gear was operational, and you'd sit by the radio and wait.

There was a list of facilities. In order, the guy from NORAD (as far as I could tell) would call off each station. So you'd hear every military and intel base in the country respond one at a time, then all the facilities like ours, and there were a lot of them. Eventually, they'd get to me and I'd get to read out our call sign and status from a card. It was a hair raising deal to a 16 year old kid. And they acted like it was the way it should be. No one laughed at you or acted like it was odd that a 16 year old with a Georgia accent was doing this. Although you could tell a few of us weren't exactly roger ramjet yet.

But I was up there with Langley and Kirtland, as far as anyone could tell.

It was one of those little things that set the hook, life wise. Alas.

a reply to: penroc3

And the amount of money required to build a Mach 4+ aircraft is far more than either country can afford right now.

a reply to: Zaphod58

agreeded. new projects are expensive.

I read this thread and have absolutely no idea what anybody is talking about. I read it as 'a more efficient way to kill people" and we have enough ways to do that already. I hope Russia abandons the effort.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Russia's probably blowing smoke up our...


so I wouldn't worry. however, the technology involved will, one day down the road, turn into stuff applicable to the civilian market. super efficient engines, reduced airfare, less fuel used etc...

sometimes to go green you gotta go red white n blue first.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

go green...lol

originally posted by: clay2 baraka

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: cavtrooper7

At Mach 4+ it won't do much 'fighting'. Fighters have to be able to turn to fight.

It's supposedly a bomber interceptor like the MIG-31 before it..

Yah, I know.

The SR 71 was initially intended to be a supper duper fighter, too, but they realized it took half a state to turn around (just kidding).

Least ways any fighter jet has to be scrambled, warmed up, taxied and take off, reaching altitude and heading, closing with the enemy and engaging. All that is dependent on a lot of factors to get into the fray quickly.

If the jets are scrambled in the wrong direction, like on 911 for instance, it doesn't matter how fast they are. If they are bombers, they can't accurately bomb ground targets with conventional weapons at those velocities. Unless they are dropping nukes and, if thats the mission they are obsolete, the ICBM and sub launched cruise missiles got there first.

In Russia part of the disinfo campaign would surely be devoted to making allegations of hypersonic aircraft, it makes the other side spend more money to counter it. They been doing that forever and its working.

a reply to: penroc3

there are many avenues to peace, going green is one of them.

most people don't know it, but America is the current leader in green technology. We're moving quite fast with it, all over the world in fact. Even demonstrated the glory of green to nations we don't particularly like. Thats how proactive we are with the current green movement.

a reply to: intrptr

or they could be front'n hard trying to keep up with the joneses.

a reply to: intrptr

No SR-71 variant was never meant to be a fighter. The YF-12 was meant to be an interceptor, to high large formations of bombers well before they could reach their launch points for any cruise missiles. It would have been able to get out, and launch their missiles fast, and that was it.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Once upon a time, some muck muck emperor king in China invited a whole army of statues to that end.

decoy soldiers

a reply to: Zaphod58

No SR-71 variant was never meant to be a fighter. The YF-12 was meant to be an interceptor, to high large formations of bombers well before they could reach their launch points for any cruise missiles.

As it turned out. I spoke of early design concept, and thanks for agreeing with me.

Interceptors are fighters.