Swedish woman stabbed to death in Refugee Centre

a reply to: ForteanOrg

Except for the multitude of 30 year olds who claim to be 15.

better bennies and less chance of rejection the heavily bearded, wrinkled skin dude claims to be 15 maybe 17.

I like the Denmark style of using wrist scans to determine age so to weed 'em out.

originally posted by: flyandi
Heck, why not .. most of them were cowards anyway, fleeing their home country because they were too afraid to stand up against ISIS. Yep I said it, most of these young men are fighting capable and could have made a difference in their home country - but rather to stand up for their rights they ran away - and now they are all bored sitting around in European countries with no plan, no future, nothing.

Ignorance is bliss isn’t. ISIS filled the vacuum left by Saddam Hussein and the real Iraqi Army. Now who illegally overthrew Saddam Hussein and defeated the real Iraqi Army? It surely wasn’t ISIS. It was the Americans and Brits and NATO countries trying to overthrow yet another middle-eastern country that believed in self-determination. Millions died in the process of an illegal war. Libya was overthrown via sponsored rebels, and they tried the same thing with Syria but it didn't work thanks to Russia.

It is quite obvious that many of these refugees are not even Syrian. Many from Pakistan, Algeria and North African countries have been claiming Asylum and to be Syrian. Real Syrians want to go back to their country because their country was thriving. I would not call these people cowards.

Let’s pretend you was a guy with no home because it was levelled to the ground by an American jet, in fact your entire town was. Meanwhile there are maniacs driving around in American armored Humvees, American grenade launchers, and American machine guns. You can’t get any food because of the sanctions imposed by the west, and some trade routes are blocked stopping food anyway. You can’t go closer to the Syrian National Army and fight for them and your country because 1.) American sponsored “sunni rebels” are fighting them and blocking the way, and 2) The other Sunni group called ISIS are fighting them who are in possession of American military equipment. And 3) The Syrian National Army is basically an enemy of NATO.

It is easy to call someone a coward when you don’t know anything about them or their situation. It's easy to be the tough guy when you have a home and when you aren't threatened with guns being aimed at you.

a reply to: Debunkology

It is easy to call someone a coward when you don’t know anything about them or their situation. It's easy to be the tough guy when you have a home and when you aren't threatened with guns being aimed at you.

Well seeing as people are so keen to hark back to the past, yes many people in Europe and the UK had guns aimed at them..all the young men volunteered to go and fight for freedom and for their countries and their families. Although many, many people died and many, many people had their homes and their lives destroyed, they persevered, and they won, so that their families and their descendants could live in a peaceful and democratic society.

I fear many of those who sacrificed their lives would now be turning in their graves at the current situation and wondering why all of these young men have not only run away and abandoned their families to whatever fate, but that rather than being grateful to the countries and the people who have taken them in, provided them with food, clothing and shelter, are instead moaning about having to wear a wristband to get their free food, moaning about the colour of their door on their free home and rampaging through towns and cities assaulting and even killing the citizens of the countries who have welcomed them

Shameful

originally posted by: destination now
Well seeing as people are so keen to hark back to the past, yes many people in Europe and the UK had guns aimed at them..all the young men volunteered to go and fight for freedom and for their countries and their families.

This is were ignorance is bliss.

In WW2 you knew who the enemy was. If you was French, you would fight for the French. Simple.

The war in Syria is entirely different. Divided through factions.

Tell me, if you were Syrian, who would you fight for?

You have Russia dropping bombs, France, USA, Bahrain, Australia, Canada, Jordan, Qatar, Turkey, United Kingdom, and United States. THEN you have the foreign rebels backed by the same countries, then you have the other rebel group ISIS. ALL of them seem to be attacking the Syrian National Army aswell as ISIS.

This is were the ignorance is astounding because not only do people NOT know what the heck is going on and have done zero research, but they also paint the 99% of people with the actions of the 1%.

Ignorance added with blatant discrimination is a toxic mix.

a reply to: Debunkology

Not necessarily, there were many double agents back then too. And everyone fought against the Germans, united against a common foe

I agree that Syria is a different case and I do not have any problem with asylum seekers being taken from the camps outside Syria and given asylum in Europe and the UK However, many of these issues are not coming from Syrians though, just people who have destroyed all of their ID and are claiming to be...in fact it has just been reported that the accused in this case is from Somalia..

It's got nothing to do with discrimination, do you honestly think that all of these young men who were pushing and shoving to get onto trains a couple of months ago, throwing away food and water at volunteers who were trying to help them, because they wanted the trains to take them to Germany were desperate refugees from Syria? And if you do believe that then you are blind and equally ignorant

originally posted by: destination now
a reply to: Debunkology

Not necessarily, there were many double agents back then too.

That is laughable. Totally different.

originally posted by: destination now
I agree that Syria is a different case and I do not have any problem with asylum seekers being taken from the camps outside Syria and given asylum in Europe and the UK However, many of these issues are not coming from Syrians though, just people who have destroyed all of their ID and are claiming to be...in fact it has just been reported that the accused in this case is from Somalia..

Exactly, many of these "asylum" seekers are not even Syrian.

originally posted by: destination nowIt's got nothing to do with discrimination, do you honestly think that all of these young men who were pushing and shoving to get onto trains a couple of months ago, throwing away food and water at volunteers who were trying to help them, because they wanted the trains to take them to Germany were desperate refugees from Syria? And if you do believe that then you are blind and equally ignorant

We're gone from calling Syrians cowards, to accusing them of not even being Syrian.

No. Not all these young men are legitimate Asylum seekers. However the problem is that there have been millions of asylum seekers, and the fact is the vast minority are the ones causing problems. If these migrants were so bad, then the situation should be a hell of a lot worse.

1,100,000 migrants was the number that Germany recieved. That is an incredible number, why? I think it has been by design. I think the people in power are turning our heads and blaming all our problems on the migrants. It's a method that seems to be working.

As we speak the MSM is reporting Europe is under the highest terrorist alert in 10 years. Not just one country. ALL of them. They seem to have intelligence that's it's anywhere/everywhere in Europe.

Might be the terrorists are just running their big fat mouths again. Or maybe they have had something on the back burner.

For more info see CNN.

Be safe friends. Lay low.

originally posted by: angeldoll
As we speak the MSM is reporting Europe is under the highest terrorist alert in 10 years. Not just one country. ALL of them. They seem to have intelligence that's it's anywhere/everywhere in Europe.

Might be the terrorists are just running their big fat mouths again. Or maybe they have had something on the back burner.

For more info see CNN.

Be safe friends. Lay low.

Looks like the argument against the "war on terrorism" for the past decade was pretty weak so the those in power have tried their best to "import it", meanwhile we have social instigators, fearmongers, and media manipulation working overtime.

Be safe friends, lay low?

What kind of BS is that?

a reply to: Debunkology

Well maybe you think it's laughable..people who died at the time due to their actions did not!

At no point have I said that the Syrians are cowards. However, it is being constantly pushed that all of these thousands of young men are refugees fleeing the war in Syria, when we know that is not the case, although if you dare to question why they are all running away and saying they are not refugees, they are economic migrants, then apparently that makes you ignorant..clearly not all of these young men are from Syria, and I am glad that you can see that.

However this thread is about the murder of a young women by a migrant, posing as a refugee, and sadly it is the case that there are hundreds of thousands now claiming to be refugees, when they are not, and yes, it is within these groups that the problems are arising, which is why I believe that the only refugees that we should be taking should be coming from the camps outside Syria not the ones marching across Europe.

I don't really go with the conspiracy that is the PTB hoping to destablise Europe, because ultimately it will cause their own downfall. However, I do think we need to do something about it and blindly saying oh poor refugees, we must help, it is our fault etc etc and just letting everyone in regardless, is a huge mistake that we could soon be paying dearly for...today one more family is totally bereft having lost their beautiful daughter who was only trying to help

a reply to: Debunkology

If you want to call it BS be my guest. It's breaking news on CNN. And hell yes lay low. According to the BREAKING NEWS from Europe, it might not be the best time to go to an event in a stadium, or large gathering, but you go ahead.

What kind of BS are you full of?

Rainbows and lollipops? Stuff it.

(CNN)—Europe should be prepared for more of the ruthless and coordinated attacks that ISIS carried out in Paris last year, officials say. The militant group is planning more large-scale, "special forces-style" assaults that don't even necessarily need to be coordinated from Syria.

That disturbing scenario was laid out in a report by Europol - Europe's law enforcement agency -- released Monday.



The report, entitled "Changes in modus operandi of Islamic State terrorist attacks," paints a picture of a terror group whose methods keep evolving and whose threat is two fold: Coordinated attacks and lone wolf operatives.

www.cnn.com...

originally posted by: destination now
a reply to: Debunkology

And everyone fought against the Germans, united against a common foe

Since you edited your post and added this, I'll respond to that.

Yes. People were united against Germany, a common foe. Which agrees with my point.

In Syria, you have the Salafist, The Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda in Iraq all fighting against the Syrian Army, the USA basically supported the "moderate rebels" who turned out to be ISIS. Then you have the other rebel groups, then 11 countries dropping bombs.

Who is the enemy in Syria for the ordinary civilian?

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Debunkology

If you want to call it BS be my guest. It's breaking news on CNN. And hell yes lay low. According to the BREAKING NEWS from Europe, it might not be the best time to go to an event in a stadium, or large gathering, but you go ahead.

What kind of BS are you full of?

Rainbows and lollipops? Stuff it.

No I won't lay low. And to tell that to others in a free country is extremely stupid. People should go about their daily lives and not be heavily influenced by hysteria created by the media and people like yourself.

I think you are American aren't you? Well.....

Since you want to talk about rainbows and lollipops

This is what you are more likely to be killed by than a terrorist.

1.) Drunk Drivers
2.) Your sofa (more people are killed by moving their own sofa)
3.) Heat (6x more likely to kill you than a terrorist)
4.) Toddlers
forward.com...

5.) You are 12x more likely to suffocate by your own pillow than by a terrorist killing you
6.) Being too fat (100,000 deaths a year in USA)
7.) Drinking too much alcohol (80,000 deaths each year in USA)
8.) You are 8x more likely to electrocute yourself
9.) BEING STRUCK BY LIGHTNING
10.) Brain sucking parasites, kills 300 year

NOW, take your hysteria and hyperbole somewhere else.

a reply to: DBCowboy

She may have been wearing perfume...

This quote from the OP's cited article at the Daily Mail gives the story some relevant context.

It has now emerged that Miss Mezher had been working alone at the housing in Mölndal, which is home to ten unaccompanied minors.

Despite rules that the staff should work in pairs, Miss Mezher had been working a night shift all by herself and was attacked just half an hour before daytime staff were due to take over, it is claimed.

A colleague speaking on condition of anonymity said that staff had previously complained about having to work alone overnight.

The situation of staff at "group homes" having to work alone with collections of sometimes unstable children goes on world wide. Social workers have been murdered by their charges with more frequency than is generally realized. I'm not saying that the "Islamic" factor played no part in what happened, but considering the age of the perpetrator in this case, I think the most important element involved in the case is the staffing/funding issue in these sorts of institutions.

Eurovision will be hosted by Sweden this year....
Lots of Foreign tourists, Lots of Homosexuals......would be a nice target for certain "Terrorists" one might think.....

Any Terrorists in Sweden?

BTW I like Eurovision...its quaint...Go Australia!!!!. .

a reply to: Debunkology

depends which flavour of Islam you belonged to, the Arab Sunni were always the majority, but of course prior to the war, Syria was a secular country. BTW I totally agree that trying to depose Assad was a big mistake because although those of other flavours were sometimes persecuted, Kurds particularly, on the whole, Syria was a wealthy thriving country and yes, the west had no business sticking their noses in because it's all so complicated and goes back into the mists of time, it is almost impossible to unravel it.

However, it doesn't change the fact that there are currently thousands of young men running amok in Europe, claiming to be seeking asylum and the only way to stop this is to control borders and only take refugees from recognised camps outside of Syria

But sadly nothing will bring back the young woman who was brutally murdered and for whom this thread was written and as such I believe that we must look objectively at the situation rather than just opening the doors and saying yes, you can claim asylum here regardless of who it is that is asking

a reply to: Debunkology

NOW, take your hysteria and hyperbole somewhere else.

And you bite me.

There is a difference between being cautious and being a fool. You, sir, are very foolish. Further intelligent discourse with you is not possible due to your closed mindedness, and refusal to accept the reality that there are people in Europe who wish the Europeans dead. If you don't believe me, go to Paris and take a survey.

If you wish to live your life foolishly, I have no problem with that, you do as you please the same as the rest of us.

The MSM is reporting the terror alert level in all of Europe has been raised to the highest level in ten years. Sorry, you are unable to shoot the messenger of this sorry news, as I am immune to you utter nonsense.

Don't lay low. Put yourself out there!
My best,
Angelina

originally posted by: destination now
a reply to: Debunkology
However, it doesn't change the fact that there are currently thousands of young men running amok in Europe, claiming to be seeking asylum and the only way to stop this is to control borders and only take refugees from recognised camps outside of Syria

But sadly nothing will bring back the young woman who was brutally murdered and for whom this thread was written and as such I believe that we must look objectively at the situation rather than just opening the doors and saying yes, you can claim asylum here regardless of who it is that is asking

I agree that this whole situation with the migrants has been handled irresponsibly. Especially Germany.

And I totally agree that we should view the whole situation objectively. We should also view the situation objectively when taking media articles into account. This one murder has been used by the media, and people in this thread to discriminate against other child migrants. Let us not forget that this child migrant was overpowered by the other child migrants.

Germany took in 1,100,000 migrants just last year, I know I am repeating myself here. But 1% of them migrants is 11,000 people. If 1% of these people are running amok and causing havoc, then we certainly haven’t heard about it. The number is far smaller.

I disagree with certain European countries taking in so many migrants so fast. Especially when there are so many countries closer and easier for them to assimilate. I do not have any disagreements with this. However I will defend the majority of migrants that have found themselves here against being painted with the same brush with the acts of a small amount. Which is what is happening.

originally posted by: angeldoll
You, sir, are very foolish. Further intelligent discourse with you is not possible due to your closed mindedness, and refusal to accept the reality that there are people in Europe who wish the Europeans dead. If you don't believe me, go to Paris and take a survey.

Further intelligent discourse? How could we ever have further when you didn’t even begin?

Yes you are 12x more likely to suffocate by your own pillow when you sleep at night than them evil terrorists. Its a shame you don’t want your hyperbole to be continually debunked by me, I quite enjoyed it.

Lay low though angeldoll, be careful of that lightning …. It’s more likely to kill you than them evil terrorists. ….. murica!!

a reply to: Debunkology


Forget taking in refugees. Set up camps in North Aftica. The trip to Germany etc equals death for too many anyway. Eliminates the influx of fake refugees.

originally posted by: Jonas1974
a reply to: Debunkology


Forget taking in refugees. Set up camps in North Aftica. The trip to Germany etc equals death for too many anyway. Eliminates the influx of fake refugees.

I agree. This is what should have happened in the first place as this is the most common sense method. Migrants and Asylum seekers should have been housed in neighboring countries at the very minimum. And this should have been funded by NATO countries. Why wasn't it? That is the question we should ask our leaders.

Who has benefited from this whole situation? Because normally when common sense hasn't been used by career politicians I get suspicious.