Baddogma's Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

roles and what not...in my view it is all just the play of karma and nothing else.

real understanding of karma and understanding our mind true self is most important in my opinion.

can we cheat karma?
NO. everybody dies!

can we "transcend" karma somehow?
YES. with the complete View and experience of our real mind. But we will still die. But we can be happy and joyful of death. Many saints at least showed that level of understanding and died in mahasamadhi, they knew precisely when they will die and they left the body on their own with a smile on their face when the end time has come.


we have to forget about Buddha and Brahman and not cling to such or any other concepts...nothing is easy and everything requires study and practice. But all true masters/saints in Buddhist or Hindu or Zen or others are saying and teaching the same thing more or less in my opinion from what I have studied and learned from them.

So buddha mind is in my view the same as parabrahman.

useless labels and titles.


a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

hah, yes titles are very confusing and totally useless.

I see and understand that part about you better now and I agree full heartedly.

Thank you.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Bad because he's considering a hefty financial over-extension as he's reluctantly convinced Niburu/Nemesis/Wormwood is bearing down on us in months. Considering and even believing this conspiracy stuff is fine and in many cases perhaps even exactly correct... but the real-world results of such belief systems are usually only friends backing away and chuckling behind one's back, not bankruptcy if it doesn't pan out.

But I have to admit, there is some oddness he's pointed me to that I can't debunk ... yet, anyway. What's worse, one could string together a whole slew of decades worth of oddness to support the hypothesis... like the seed vaults, missing trillions and ... well, stuff like that.

If I disappear from the web, ya'll may want to pack some supplies and find high ground... as long as it won't wreck a life if it's a false alarm.

Frankly, if true, I'm not entirely sure I'd want to survive... boy it's late.. .better get sleep and quit the doom porn spree.

a reply to: Baddogma

The world is full of data points.

Anybody can put together a collection of them to prove almost anything.

The whole financial aspect --- you are most correct --- it sounds like he could use some help.

But of course once a belief system is in place.. and it provides some sort of function in ones life..
it's nearly impossible to rid yourself of it.

Even scientists and logical people have trouble have the same issue.

My old spiritual teacher for example.. he wrote his grand opus about the universe.. and yes..
it was a splendid book... but nobody would publish it.

So at like 80, with few financial resources, he took a second out on his house and published it..

Now he's about broke and miserable.. but his book doesn't sell for caca ...

these inner urges to think and act certain ways.. especially when it's about 'truth'.. as we all
want it so bad.. are very powerful.

The best kinds of life systems, are those which if they are wrong, are nearly as useful as if
they are right.. so you don't paint yourself into the corner.

That's why zen-like, nondualistic systems are so useful to start with.. they minimize the
error of self and being a seeker. Both of those things are the very essence of being
deluded unless done just right.

Kev

a reply to: UniFinity

Just remember that the Universe is not a respecter of persons..

The Universe does not seek to conserve 'selves'.

Some "Selves' are conserved for a time.. but it's not the purpose of the Universe.

That is one of the largest delusions ever.

In a manner of speaking, there is only one self.. the ceaseless apparent motion
of the Universe.

And the Universe "stirrs the pot" with no concern about 'who lives and who dies'.

This is just the opposite of what humans yearn to be true.

But understanding this is indeed true freedom.

As what you refuse to lose, is what makes you sick, and causes you to generate
all these stories which trap you.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

hmmm...yes yes nice replay, for most part I agree also.
that last line is really strong with a lot of meaning for me!

heh a thought arose while I read your post.
what do you say about what is beyond the three realms of samsara, if anything at all?

originally posted by: UniFinity
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

hmmm...yes yes nice replay for most parts...

that last line is really strong with a lot of meaning for me!

what do you say about what is beyond the three realms of samsara, if anything at all?

Well that's the thing.. if you care about the answer to that question.. that's a problem.

But what I say, is that the Universe endlessly tells stories... that while death is eternal,

life rises up eternally

Sometimes we find ourselves not existing at all.

Sometimes we find ourselves existing in this form or that.

It's all good.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

yes I completely understand you and "hidden meaning" behind your words.

I am not concerned with the future and rewards for my practices, I only want to learn how to give real happiness to others, but first I have to find it in the present, here and now in my opinion.

So in your opinion this is a never ending cycle in samsara if I understand your words in the right way?

If this is your opinion I think differently. But I guess we shall see, when the time comes.
I think that mother and son light at the time of death is what needs to be merged. I don't really know what this really means, but I have my insights...and if this line is nonsense for you, it is ok. It is just something i wondered about while reading something about it in tibetan buddhist tantra.

a reply to: UniFinity

Life never ends and somebody has to live it.

Even talking about escaping samsara demonstrates a lack of understanding.

The Universe is 100% perfectly fine with suffering....
That's obvious isn't it?

All living beings can do is to learn how not to enhance their own suffering foolishly..and learn compassion for each other.

But suffering itself is eternal.

Without suffering there is no life.

You can't have it both ways.

When you accept that...you reduce your own needless suffering markedly.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

pain and happiness are two sides of the same coin.
Love and hate are both the same teacher.

I am not talking about escape from samsara while being alive, but after death I think it can be escaped. That is the whole point of spiritual cultivation for all beings and dropping desires and attachments in my opinion.

I guess we will all find out someday. But for now I think that only in death we all have equal chance of real emancipation and what comes after that I have no idea for now.

But The tibetan book of the death deals with this topic very thoroughly (about what to do when we die and how to become buddha) and it is a great read in my opinion. Maybe there are pure lands and many numerous other things and new challenges for beings in those realms outside of samsara/nirvana

a reply to: UniFinity

As you may have noticed I personally find most spirituality to be disinformation.

But to each their own.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

of course, thanks for sharing.

for me,
spirituality is disinformation as far as mainstream goes, but I have noticed some things which are almost the same across religions, when it comes to esoteric knowledge that is not mainstream.

Like indian, chinese, tibetan yoga, essenes, sufis, hermetica, alchemy, etc...or better said from people who have mastered their own systems and in my opinion achieved full understanding.

- detachment (only cultivating virtues, dropping all vices)
- meditation
- pure heart and mind/compassion for all beings
- altruism
- death/desires/rebirth
- absolute truth

I have noticed that master buddhas, yogis, sufis, etc... who have written books are more or less in agreement with each other across many religions - past and current and also time and location. But naturally they have very different techniques but description of the ultimate reality is very similar.

That was my basis for understanding the absolute nature and how and what to practice and get experiences in the past. I was like a contemplating monkey jumping from book to book from technique to technique : )

And so far I feel it has worked well for me, and have been lucky with more or less nice experiences, nothing what I could not handle at least.
but I am very careful not to take anything for granted about what i read and i always put focus on meditation experiences and insight. Books are for me a guide map and not a belief system or something to cling or attach to.

Well I hope, it is very thin ice, I am walking on with this last statement.

Currently I have absorbed myself in tibetan (and also to some extent chinese and indian) buddhism and their tantra and sutras and I think I have just found my best "clothes" yet after all those years of contemplation and practice various other related materials. I feel that their View and Practice of dharma is best suited for my mind and current development and can take me the farthest in this life. So I recently decided to stick with that and see how far I can go.

well this is just my opinion and how I have finally decided what tools and weapons I will use to get to the truth after all those years and I am very happy for that.

a reply to: UniFinity

All spiritual practice is a golden chain.

At best, spiritual practice is a thorn adept at removing thorns.

Good luck with your chain / thorn.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

thanks!

and it is true what you say, first things seems very complicated, than after a while it seems all so simple and natural.

Like breathing.

the practice of relaxing and letting go...
the best kind of practice for lazy bum like me

: )

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

How many of your five are home to earth?

And a question: what if on some sort of "quantum electro magnetic frequency" all living things are connected? That would have been available for the upmost sensitive beings only, like shamans, druids, monchs etc, but since we loaded our houses with all sorts of electronics and wifi, the atmosphere with haarp, our brains with wifi and stuff, we significantly loaded this quantum electro magnetic field. Now every one can "make the call"!
Gangstalking dolphins. Mk-ultra rats. UFO corals. Or something similar, just to paint the picture.
Isn't that beautiful? And #ing terrorfying considering how they all are dying. But maybe there is this change of frequency talk coming from? It's what the council of the oldest 9 whales wants to tell us!
Think about it...
I just read it the 2nd time and I think that's it, that's my next book!
AMA jk or not, because it is pretty cool, or am I wrong?
PUI

Oh and I forgot: the internet has awareness!
That's #ing awesome right? Also, please note I didn't say, consciousness. It has no conscience...
Uahahaha ha!

a reply to: Peeple

How many of my five what?

Did you drink a triple cappacino or a quadruple cappacino before posting just now?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Five civilisations.

A gentleladiy never tells...

a reply to: Peeple

The quote was about a civilization 5 galaxies over.

I'm only aware of 4 potential civilizations other than our own, and that's potential as I may be off my rocker.

Kev

a reply to: Peeple

1 other civilization on this planet with us.
1 universe wide civilization peeing in our kool aid here but they don't live here.

And all that EMF blocks humans from being plugged in like they used to be..

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hmm... I THOUGHT my Kool-aide tasted better than usual... who knew space imps had sweet pee?

Though I woulda guessed far more civilizations banging around .. .otherwise we do seem more "special" (in the special-ed sense as well) than the argument for mediocrity would indicate.

And the argument for mediocrity almost always wins, heh.

a reply to: Baddogma

My view is that only planets which manage to coevolve biological critters AND a symbiotic plasma civilization can repel the space imps.

So what are the odds of THAT!

Btw...I suspect there is lots of primitive life out there...(spores molds and fungi level)...

But not much more advanced.

Imho