Was the cross actually a tesseract?

a reply to: ParasuvO

I'd love to see you attempt to substantiate your erroneous claims.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I love the Dali Painting, to me, it represents that we only really see a slim fragment of reality, and that Christ died for the full and true reality. This infers that there are aspects of Christ's crucifixion that are beyond our current understandings.

However, the actual cross was made of two pieces of wood, built by ancient Romans and erected on a hill just outside the city of Jerusalem.

The irony that the hill and the tree were created by Jesus and were the implements of His torture brings home the poignancy of His sacrifice on our behalf.

whats funny is the cross the romans used didnt have a place to rest the back of the head against. it was a T shape.

OK, tradition for 2 Millennia is that the cross was not a T.

Some have said that the cross was just a post because it is described as a "stauros" in Greek. Yet Simon the Cyrene was co-opted to assist Jesus in carrying the cross and the word used is "patibulum", which is a cross-piece, a second piece of wood.

So, then we must have either the T or a † shape.

Matthew 27:37 says: They placed above his head the charge against him. It read, “This is Jesus, the king of the Jews".

If the cross was a T, then how could they place the sign above His head? Did they make if float there in space?

It is therefore reasonable to accept that Jesus was crucified on a † shaped cross.

It seems you and me are both half right. Read this link.2 forms of crucifiction

If Jesus was crucified on a stake, the charge would have been placed above His hands, not His head, as His hands would be immediately above His head. Also, only a single nail would actually be required to affix Jesus hands in place. Therefore the fact that Thomas referred to the the plural "nails" through Jesus "hands" (John 20: 25), would argue against a single nail through both hands.

Similarly, Jesus, speaking of Peter the Apostles' death, uses the allusion of having his hands "stretched out" (eketino) (John 21: 17-19). Peter was crucified "like Jesus" (Tertullian, Scorpiace xv.3).

Roman Crucifixions used several types of cross, an X, a T, a stake, a sharpened stake (for impaling) and a traditional latin cross with a cross piece a little way down the central stake. Sometimes they did mass crucifixions with many different types of cross at the same time.

The syntax of sensory processing is in the "shape" of a tesseract. Refer to this picture for the neural pathway of vision:

Optic Tract

The optic chiasm is where the visual fields from the retina cross to the opposite brain hemisphere to allow complete vision. If we think of the flow of this information, it goes in the same pattern as a tesseract. The optic chiasm is the central point, and after the neural pathways pass this point, they begin to expand outwards around the brain through the cerebral cortex (outermost part of the brain) and also inwards towards the relay centers in the brainstem. Its path through the cerebral cortex (outside part of the brain) goes past the plane of the optic chiasm through the temporal lobe to conceptualize time and space, and then to the frontal lobes to execute plans that are relevant to the received stimulus.

This would be a constant in-out flowing of processing that goes in the rhythm of a tesseract.

a reply to: cooperton

Nice research.

This is why I believe Jesus' story is purely metaphorical, it is a commentary on the human condition, not God literally coming down in the form of man (unless you consider us to be "God in the flesh"). It is an internal story, not an external one as Christians or atheists believe it to be.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: cooperton

Nice research.

This is why I believe Jesus' story is purely metaphorical, it is a commentary on the human condition, not God literally coming down in the form of man (unless you consider us to be "God in the flesh"). It is an internal story, not an external one as Christians or atheists believe it to be.

From my experience I've realized the goings of the material world are always a symbolic representation of the goings of the spiritual world. Like the material world is a shadow of the spirit realm (see Plato's cave allegory). This means the stories are metaphorical as they are literal, but the poetic aspect to it makes it seem like only the former. The only proof for anyone would come from observing how life is presented to them, they would see the literal and symbolic manifestation of the present moment. What else is karma besides a symbolic, outer representation of our state of mind?

a reply to: cooperton

The material world operates under certain rules that cannot be broken though, like the laws of physics. These rules are broken numerous times throughout the Bible and those instances cannot be taken literally because they defy the laws of the material universe. They are meant to be taken metaphorically alone in my opinion, they are metaphors for the workings of the spiritual realm.

The stories in the Bible are metaphorical representations of spiritual concepts, not literal history or truth. In my opinion.

Crucifixion was a common Roman capital punishment. When Jesus was crucified he had two thieves nailed alongside him. Let's call them Wayne and Garth. We might as well imagine Wayne on a tesseract or Garth on a tesseract.

IMHO, it's not about the cross or it's "symbology" but rather the person who was crucified on it. The cross is just a happenstance. To attribute a really deep meaning to it short of Egyptian Duality is, I should say, reaching.

But you have a really, really good theory...which may be right...in time.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The laws of physics certainly can be broken.

Cooperton is right, but at the same time, what is controlling this state of mind to ensure it does not realize that it can break free and truly see from a birds eye view that the state of mind is being CONTROLLED in its core beliefs.

a reply to: IQPREREQUISITE

Are you kidding ?

The entire story reeks of symbolism and is for effect.

The cross is obviously more important than any person crucified.

In fact, since we can see that absolutely nothing changed since this took place in regards to how the world operates, we KNOW that the crucifiction story has nothing to do with really, anything at all.

Triality is more important than Duality, but that is obviously completely hidden from the masses as well.

a reply to: ParasuvO
Triality? Can you explain?

a reply to: yosako

Father, Mother, and Child

Positive, Negative, and Neutral

Etc.

Duality ignores what's in the middle, triality recognizes all three. I think that's what he means, and I agree.

a reply to: ParasuvO

Where have the laws of physics ever been broken?

Man flying used to be considered impossible, but we know today that it just takes a little ingenuity and understanding of the laws in order for that to happen.

If someone in the first century saw a man flying a machine around the sky, they would probably have thought it to be magic, but flight is not magic. The laws of physics are not broken, only taken advantage of for lack of a better term.

Nah, I don't think the cross is a tesseract. Interesting theory though.

If you're into progressive metal the band Tesseract is supposed to be pretty good, from what I've heard.

a reply to: gpols

I don't think Jesus was literally crucified on a tesseract, only that the religious symbol of the cross represents the tesseract. This is a thread about symbolism, not literal history.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Where have the laws of physics ever been broken?

and yet in your op you stated.

So where is the 3rd dimension? It is in the world that we see around us. But what is it that is casting the 3D shadow of the world we see around us? That would be the mind, the one seeing and interpreting the 3D shadow we call the world. When you close your eyes

So are we talking laws of physics or philosophy when it suits you? prove to me using physics or medicine that "the 3d shadow called the world" is a shadow, of the 4th dimension. Or will you say to me that no laws are broken we just need time to reinterpret in the future that it was not philosophy but an incomplete physical law?

and by the way what are "laws" for example...

en.wikipedia.org...

Newton's laws hold only with respect to a certain set of frames of reference called Newtonian or inertial reference frames. Some authors interpret the first law as defining what an inertial reference frame is; from this point of view, the second law only holds when the observation is made from an inertial reference frame, and therefore the first law cannot be proved as a special case of the second. Other authors do treat the first law as a corollary of the second.[8][9] The explicit concept of an inertial frame of reference was not developed until long after Newton's death.

And what is the definition of "physical law", that some throw around on ATS like some edict from on high?

www.roebuckclasses.com...

Well-established laws have indeed been invalidated in some special cases, but the new formulations created to explain the discrepancies can be said to generalize upon, rather than overthrow, the originals. That is, the invalidated laws have been found to be only close approximations, to which other terms or factors must be added to cover previously unaccounted-for conditions, e.g., very large or very small scales of time or space, enormous speeds or masses, etc. Thus, rather than unchanging knowledge, physical laws are actually better viewed as a series of improving approximations.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I suppose.

And having a man nailed to one side, keeps the human race from exploring other planes as a representation.

I'm just not a believer.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I never said that the 3-dimensional world being a shadow of the 4th dimension can be proven by physics or medicine, that is a philosophical idea and is a product of the mind, not the outer world as physics and medicine are. It is an idea, ideas lie "above" the material universe.

a reply to: cooperton

Yes

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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Great thread. The shadow that is cast is definitely from the mind. Paul your favorite guy sums this up with comparing the mind of Christ and the mind of Adam. The mind of Christ is the collective mind. The mind of Adam is the ego or what is produced by our sensory processes. You are correct that Christianity has it wrong with the cross and salvation. That is a sign for those stuck in the outer court (court of the realm of death) trying to look into the holy place. It is not the end of the story. Resurrection is the end game (holy of holies). And that is one that can take place now as you stated that we are the word made flesh. The unveiling that took place in the temple with his death is symbolic of the veil of flesh or Adam being broken. The seed that dies to bear fruit is in us. As Paul said Christ in you is the hope of glory. That is the great mystery that was hidden/veiled from the ages past. Ie the mind of Christ or the universal mind, the very one that created all things dwells not in temples of human hands but between your temples. The beheading of Goliath the giant by the boy King is a representation of this. The beheading of saints by the beast kingdom is another. John the Baptist who is the last prophet of the adamic mind shown by living in the wilderness and wearing hair who did not recognize the Christ as an adult ushers in the ministry of the Christ. The death of the elders of Israel in the wilderness of 40 years is another (40 weeks of gestation) before entering the promised land aka birth into the higher realm. Old wineskins.

The tabernacle in Greek is skenos it is a derivative of skia which is shadow. The tabernacle is called our flesh body. As you say we are a shadow representation of the universal mind. The veil that covers over the holy of holies which is a 10x10x10 cube = 1000 aka the millennium. Not a literal thousand years but the eternal symbolically.

And we all with unveiled faces are reflecting as in a mirror the glory of the lord and are being transformed into the exact same image.

Only in Christ is the veil removed. That veil is the mind of flesh that we see when we look in a mirror. For now we see in a glass dimly ( literally: in a mirror an enigma) but then we will see face to face (4d). Now I know in part but then I shall know also as I am known.

The enigma is the shifting features of the cherubim or Sphinx (enigma of the Sphinx). the cherubim of course are woven into the Babylonian (confusion) veil which covers the holy of holies. That veil is removed to enter into the rest (millennium, 7th day, holy of holies) aka the mind of Christ. When we look with our natural eyes we see an enigma like the tessaract. We can't quite make it out. But when the veil is removed and we look in the mirror we then see the glory or light of God shining.

This is the mystery of Christ.

a reply to: zardust

John the Baptist is an interesting one, I have the idea that he represents the "Father" aspect of the Trinity and him being beheaded was the head of the body (Colossians 1:18) being severed and replaced by an imitation.

John baptizing Jesus in the water represents the Spirit (Father) lowering the Son (image) into the waters (body) and life being created at conception.

This is an "idea in progress" though so it's not as fully fleshed out as I'd like it to be. I'm open to your interpretation of this because you seem to be very knowledgeable in spiritual concepts.