Let’s look at the Worlds Socialists countries

I’m a firm believer in learning from others. The US should look at other systems and learn from them. Of course we shouldn’t adapt a copy cat syndrome but adapt the best what works to our individual system what I call SocioCapatalism.


In these countries there is universal health insurance, and I doubt the kind of poverty that we find
In America.


Of course there are good things and bad things in all systems but it is revealing to know that I
Don’t know of any country in the world who has adapted a conservative economy without
Socialist type programs for the people even though the system is not completely socialist.

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Anyway lets stop all the propaganda and rhetoric and star a gaze at the socialists countries in our world.

They seem like places one would want to live in mostly.

Denmark

Denmark has a wide range of welfare benefits that they offer their citizens. As a result, they also have the highest taxes in the world. Equality is considered the most important value in Denmark. Small businesses thrive, with over 70 percent of companies having 50 employees or less.

Finland

Finland has one of the world’s best education systems, with no tuition fees and also giving free meals to their students. The literacy rate in Finland is 100 percent. Finland has one of the highest standards of living in the world. Like Denmark and other European countries, equality is considered one of the most important values in society. Whereas in the Netherlands, government control over the economy remains at a minimum, but a socialist welfare system remains. The lifestyle in the Netherlands is very egalitarian and organized, where even bosses do not discipline or treat their subordinates rudely.

Canada

Like the Netherlands, Canada also has mostly a free market economy, but has a very extensive welfare system that includes free health and medical care. Canadians remain more open-minded and liberal than Americans, and Canada is ranked as one of the best top five countries to live in by the United Nations and the Human Development Index (HDI) rankings.

Sweden

Sweden has a large welfare system, but due to a high national debt, required much government intervention in the economy. In Norway, the government controls certain key aspects of the national economy, and they also have one of the best welfare systems in the world, with Norway having one of the highest standards of living in all of Europe. Norway is not a member of the European Union.

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Ireland

Ireland has arguably one of the best welfare systems in the world, with unemployment checks higher on average than Denmark or Switzerland’s average. Around 25 percent of Ireland’s GDP goes towards paying for the welfare system, as compared to 15 percent of America’ GDP towards America’s social support programs.

New Zealand

New Zealand may not be a socialist country, but the welfare system in the country is very wide ranging, offering support for housing, unemployment, health, child care, and education as well. Therefore, New Zealand has many of the characteristics of a socialist country, even while remaining officially free market.

Belgium

Lastly, Belgium has most of the same social security benefits that New Zealand offers, including invalid and old age pensions. The welfare system causes much of the country’s budget deficit though, and so is considered by some to be a burden on society.

It seems to me many of these countries, that provide basic services to their people, the US could learn a lot from them.


Get off that "where the greatest country in the history of mankind" nonsense and be humble and learn something form others.

Adapt a system for this country but borrow the best ideas from others

China

In China the government manages and controls the economy. Many of the domestic companies are owned and run by the government. Recently, the Chinese economy has become more geared towards capitalism, but is still officially socialist. Life in China remains relatively less stressful and more relaxed than life in capitalist countries like America

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Pretty good running countries as far as I could see


Socialism isn't the big ogre we have been told.

a reply to: Willtell

Those aren't socialist countries.

Here is a list of socialist countries:

List of Socialist States

Most of these countries had to adopt a "conservative economy" to stay afloat.

a reply to: TheTory

You mean capitalist


Many of those countries are just socialist in name only.

They hardly have the mature economy to be anything

Others are more advanced like India

My list is the mature advanced socialist countries or socialist like countries who like China has learned to be more versatile and adapt an integral holistic economy adapting what they think is the best of capitalistic and socialistic modes.

a reply to: Willtell

Many of those countries are just socialist in name only.

That's what makes a socialist state. Look at the statements in their constitution. You might be thinking of social democracies.

a reply to: Willtell

My rebuttal, without the usual political rhetoric, is a s follows.

Both Denmark and the Netherlands do have their problems. But, as you said no system is perfect. The advantage they have is small populations and sizes.

Quite comparable to many U.S. states, both in size and population. I have no problems with individual states deciding by popular vote to exercise more socialist programs than others. Their call. The problem is, the larger and more diverse the nation, the more imposition is required on those that do not follow those premises, at least to that degree. Where the point of moving from social responsibility to social oppression via enforcement is, I'm unsure. You are ,however, seeing it manifest in the U.S. as we speak.

Let each state decide and stop enforcing from a federal level these 'visions' of utopia. Around half the population disagrees with them.

Canada, except the Territory of the Yukon, doesn't have 'free medical' there is a monthly payment, no prescription coverage nor dental. The number of people entering the U.S. for medical services are large, to say the least.

Not a 'bad' system, at all. Certainly it has it's price via federal and Provincial tax levels. Nothing free about free gov't services whatsoever, even though repeated without end by it's supporters.

Bottom line is I don't see huge number of immigrants from the U.S. fighting their way into any of these nations...other than refugees, that is.

Lot's of those countries have high poverty.

All failures. I bet unemployment is higher than people think too.

Population below poverty line: Countries Compared

a reply to: Willtell

...And the US with our large military budgets that could provide us with all of that free stuff, are, in face the providers of that FREEdom enjoyed by much of the Western world. Yep! You are right, we need to change our system and devote most of our military budgets into free things for our citizens.

Where would the world be today if WWII and the after effects of communists aggressions were not stopped? If nothing else give us credit for blunting the aggressive effects of communism in Europe and elsewhere. Yes, we are SO VERY BAD, but most of your freedoms from Canada, across Europe to even the average Russian citizen today comes from the US dollar that is spend in multiple ways, defense and otherwise around the world rather than right here at home.

I didn't see Venezuela on the list?

It just seems crazy to me that we require so much socialism.

Why can't these billions of people pick themselves up by their bootstraps and work hard and become computer programmers?

originally posted by: Willtell
China

In China the government manages and controls the economy. Many of the domestic companies are owned and run by the government. Recently, the Chinese economy has become more geared towards capitalism, but is still officially socialist. Life in China remains relatively less stressful and more relaxed than life in capitalist countries like America

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Pretty good running countries as far as I could see
Socialism isn't the big ogre we have been told.

What a great example! They only killed 20 million peasants to get there. The Soviet Union? 10 million. When you run a totalitarian state, you can do anything! The more socialist a country is, the more totalitarian they are.

So move there. And enjoy!

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: Willtell
China

In China the government manages and controls the economy. Many of the domestic companies are owned and run by the government. Recently, the Chinese economy has become more geared towards capitalism, but is still officially socialist. Life in China remains relatively less stressful and more relaxed than life in capitalist countries like America

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Pretty good running countries as far as I could see
Socialism isn't the big ogre we have been told.

What a great example! They only killed 20 million peasants to get there. The Soviet Union? 10 million. When you run a totalitarian state, you can do anything! The more socialist a country is, the more totalitarian they are.

So move there. And enjoy!

Well Canada killed a lot of native Americans.

I don't know how many people the sweeds have killed.

Belgium worked to death 10 million Africans in the Congo

so what's your point?

Human beings suck

a reply to: nwtrucker

I think Mexicans would go to many of these countries if they could.

a reply to: Willtell

We did learn from other systems. Our Constitution is a direct result of the Magna Carta.

None of these socialist countries have a Bill of Rights nor do they have a Constitution.

Honest question, do you want to do away with the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Because I don't see how you can have socialism here in the US and keep those documents.

a reply to: Aliensun

Sure the US has done some good regarding communist abuse

One thing they did was murder JFK SO IT WASN’T ALL GOOD

Some of it was overblown and the many assassinations of leaders of developing countries and the attempt of the Vietnam War and you have is a lot of mixed results.


My point is that socialist methods have a place and capitalist methods have a place

a reply to: schuyler

Your points are irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Did you actually think about what your saying or did you simply only respond to the word socialism?

a reply to: DBCowboy

We already have many socialist programs in the USA.

No I don’t think the bill of rights should be done away with


I’m not advocating socialism, I’m advocating education and a non dogmatic view of progress and solving problems

I believe in holistic and integral scientific approaches to solving problems

a reply to: Willtell

Contrary to popular propaganda, Canada is NOT a country. It is a British colony just like Australia, new Zealand, Belize, etc.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: Willtell

Do you think the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights could exist in a socialist USA?