Sanders Rocks The Democratic Debate By Dropping A Medicare For All Bomb In SC

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Oh so you like Obama care and see no need to improve it,

I hear a lot of people say it has been a real life saver!

Thanks for your very informative post!

That's my point exactly. Obama care is a disaster, and Sanders plan will be as well.

Sanders plan is Medicare.

Medicare is about half the operating cost of private insurance -

$5 copay

How much do you Yanks spend on average for Insurance annually???

If it's more than $1500 dollars you're being robbed.


If it's anything less then you're no better or worse off than a universal healthcare system.


For a £26k annual salary in the UK just over a £1k in tax goes towards healthcare, with no added costs for anything.

You can google dollars to pounds to work out the difference there.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
I saw a Prius today that had a Obama and Bernie sticker. That was all I needed.

Why would prices decrease with an open taxpayer handout?

I think we should do taxpayer funded food for everyone.
-bama will cook it up nice and tasty.
Why not?
Not like he would sell someone elses hamburger to you, squirt meat juice on soy for you then split the profits with the supplier.

Prices would decrease because you eliminate profit motive and a constant desire to increase prices to increase profit.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
How much do you Yanks spend on average for Insurance annually???

If it's more than $1500 dollars you're being robbed.


If it's anything less then you're no better or worse off than a universal healthcare system.


For a £26k annual salary in the UK just over a £1k in tax goes towards healthcare, with no added costs for anything.

You can google dollars to pounds to work out the difference there.

If you get cancer or have a major heart even the average is $80,000-$90,000

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
How much do you Yanks spend on average for Insurance annually???

If it's more than $1500 dollars you're being robbed.


If it's anything less then you're no better or worse off than a universal healthcare system.


For a £26k annual salary in the UK just over a £1k in tax goes towards healthcare, with no added costs for anything.

You can google dollars to pounds to work out the difference there.

Half of America is completely brainwashed and acts against it's own economic interests.

originally posted by: yesyesyes

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
How much do you Yanks spend on average for Insurance annually???

If it's more than $1500 dollars you're being robbed.


If it's anything less then you're no better or worse off than a universal healthcare system.


For a £26k annual salary in the UK just over a £1k in tax goes towards healthcare, with no added costs for anything.

You can google dollars to pounds to work out the difference there.

If you get cancer or have a major heart even the average is $80,000-$90,000

You've got to be shi**ing me.

That's a full 78 thousand dollars more than the average Brit with the same conditions.


That's hard to believe.

This is so flawed it is ridiculous. Healthcare premiums are not based on income. it is based on coverage tier. So, based on what I read these are facts.

1. So as a citizen my taxes go up.
2. Business owners would now pay more for highly compensated employees instead of across the board cost.
3. Why tax the rich who are also usually the business owners. They are getting hammered on two ends.

You also take the free market out of it. There is no competition. Then, when the government says that the cost is not high enough do you really think they will not vote to raise it.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs
The real problem has been going broke even with insurance. In 2008 we were turned over to collections for 250,000 for one illness. Then there was the pre existing conditions that doubled your premiums and one illness could still break you. With obsmacare there are no pre existing conditions and out of pocket max of 6000$. Yes, the conservatives want to go back to that.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
I think I've heard this before.. along with something called Hope and Change.

No sir you did not, you heard Affordable Health Care, which was the best the current admin thought they could get ,they then had the ACA watered down by their opponents in a so-called bipartisanship which the GOP didn't even bother voted for and oppose to this day, I think the Burn will stab that wolf instead of dancing with him.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

originally posted by: yesyesyes

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
How much do you Yanks spend on average for Insurance annually???

If it's more than $1500 dollars you're being robbed.


If it's anything less then you're no better or worse off than a universal healthcare system.


For a £26k annual salary in the UK just over a £1k in tax goes towards healthcare, with no added costs for anything.

You can google dollars to pounds to work out the difference there.

If you get cancer or have a major heart even the average is $80,000-$90,000

You've got to be shi**ing me.

That's a full 78 thousand dollars more than the average Brit with the same conditions.


That's hard to believe.

Man, many LIFE SAVING MEDICINE are $10,000 a month.

You have not seen corporate corruption like we have here, or a more demented public who supports it blindly.

It is hard to believe, if you are sane

a reply to: yesyesyes

They get away with that because they underpay and foist the cost off on the rest of us which is why most of us pay so much ... same with Medicaid.

In order to convert the entire system to that, they would have to institute price controls which would be a bad thing.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Healthcare where I don't have a choice over anything.

What do you mean? Dont go to the hospital if you dont want to.

Healthcare where I am forced to participate or I get punished.

There is nothing else to participate in... Again, if you dont want to go to the hospital, dont go.

Healthcare where my care would be the same as the VA.

If these wonderful doctors who only work for private insurance want to protest and go work in another country where people are willing to pay as much out of pocket as the Americans, then I say call their bluff.

I'm just glad I'm old and won't live very long, because under government care. . . . . I wouldn't live very long.

Maybe if you had public healthcare you would have lived longer. In fact the average lifespan in the US is 79 where as here in Canada (public healthcare) it is 82. That kinda tells the story right there doesnt it?

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Most governments with socialized systems negotiate for medications at a reduced rate or refuse to do business. The cost is then foisted off on those countries that do not do this. Someone has to pay for it and it ends up being us. We subsidize you.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Health care where a government bean counter decides what medications will be available for what ailments based on what is cost effective, not what is most effective on the illness, so you might not get access to the very best medications or medications that might otherwise be offered if the standard treatments don't work for you,

Oh, and God help you if you have a rare illness or one that does not respond to the standard treatment.

Migraine sufferers have trouble in socialized care countries because our treatment works best if doctors are free to treat us individuals and not bell curves.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs
The real problem has been going broke even with insurance. In 2008 we were turned over to collections for 250,000 for one illness. Then there was the pre existing conditions that doubled your premiums and one illness could still break you. With obsmacare there are no pre existing conditions and out of pocket max of 6000$. Yes, the conservatives want to go back to that.

MRI scan in Japan = $98. MRI scan in USA = $1000
Yet lives are lived longer in Japan and there are no crazy waiting lines.

I like Bernie Healthcare plan so far.

I believe it is time to end privatizes medical insurance companies who's sole interests is to extort or flees the American public for big profits for their shear holders.

I know, I know some of you will say that I like socialism, however that will be so far from the truth.

Nothing else has worked, there is hundreds of millions American right now that cannot afford healthcare because the premiums have gone through the roof because of the greed with these corporations.

Obama care was a scam to rip of the American citizens, and strong arm them by using IRS. It's called legalizing of extortion.

a reply to: ketsuko

We subsidize you.

Hehe, that's cute.

But no, you don't subsidise us at all.
In fact, besides Pfizer, you're practically non existant in our Pharmaceutical Industry.

originally posted by: daaskapital
What's up with Americans and a hatred of anything even remotely socialist or fair? Lol.

People, it's time to take proper steps and start catching up with the rest of the world. Seriously. The USA isn't looked at as the beacon it once was. Other countries like Canada or Australia are doing much better with our 'socialist' policies!

Socialism in and of itself demands government intrusion into ones life, and government control over aspects of ones life.

Think of it more as a very strong distrust of all things government.

a reply to: Informer1958

I believe it is time to end privatizes medical insurance companies who sole interests is to extort or flees the American public for big profits for their shear holders.

Don't have to end it, if people want that extra layer then let it be, they can continue servicing families like the Waltons and the Trumps who feel they don't have to mix with the unwashed plebs.