The 2 Most Dangerous Numbers in the Universe are Threatening the End of Physics

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: vethumanbeing

what's "the AUO"?
"What happens if the Higgs Boson number changes... Do we vanish?"
^Great question! the multiverse theory seems to be the one.. then the real question is, can the different dimensions affect each other or spill into each other?? great topic....

Symmetry is 114; Higgs 126.4, multiverse is 140 (two dangerous numbers with one balancing in the middle). AUO describes the Absolute (all that is or can be under physical laws) it has to abide to just as we do. Why not spill? then what happens..

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: game over man

If dark matter is responsible for accelerating the Universe

It isn't.

and the Higgs field allows all matter to exist,

It doesn't.
Dark energy (not matter) is what is causing the acceleration of the expansion of the Universe. The Higgs field is what gives matter mass.

Ok thanks, haven't been drinking my coffee, thanks for the edit!

Could the Higgs Field have any relevance to multiverses? If matter has to pass through the field to gain mass and any outcome of matter could be possible then could the same Higgs Field be in every multiverse? The Higgs Field is some sort of boundary line into every multiverse?

So things in nature like to be in equilibrium.

Perhaps the Higgs Boson and dark matter establish an equilibrium based on the environment surrounding them?

I'm no physicist.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: greencmp

There is a quote running around out there somewhere that some scientists live in perpetual fear that when they finally climb the mountain they'll find the theologists already there.

But I think there is a lot more to discover before we actually reach that point assuming we ever do.

I think it's colossal hubris for anyone to declare we know all there is to know without actually having gone beyond the limits of the solar system in any tangible way beyond one pitiful remote satellite.

ketsuko, you have a way with words. Often I see a post of yours and think "If I could have articulated what I was thinking, it would read just that"... but I can't put it together like you do. Thanks for your activities here

Love this topic!

I would like to share this quote from Manly P. Hall's book, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry.....it sums it all up, in my mind at least...

"Science and theology are two ends of a single truth, but the world will never receive the full benefits of their investigations until they have made peace with each other, and labor hand and hand for the accomplishment of the great work-the liberation of spirit and intelligence from the three-dimensional prison-house of ignorance, superstition, and fear."

a reply to: theatreboy

There really is no basis for this quote.

a reply to: FamCore

Physicists may have hit a roadblock methinks.

Dark matter and energy and intangible, we can't measure it, weigh it or determine it's properties-all we know is that it's out there. We know that both exist through indirect detection and theory and that's the only evidence we have which is why the LHC is worth the money as it could provide tangible evidence.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

plus the larger particle colliders that are set to be constructed by 2020 - what else will we discover? Perhaps we will discover that even with much larger particle colliders we still aren't able to find out any more than we already know. "Standing on the shoulders of giants"... have we reached the pinnacle yet? I think not, but time will tell

just becuse the Kids can not understand the science
does not mean its not thier.
maybe they should read books on Magick!

"this number is bigger than any number in astronomy
it's a thousand-trillion-trillion-trillion times bigger
than the number of atoms in the universe."
That sounds like the big bang!

Space!
a infinet amount of space and Time.
this univers was going to happen one day!

a reply to: GetHyped

For me, there is....when you get to the point that the math does not work out, look for other reasons...it can be both ways...

a reply to: theatreboy

It's a quote devoid of any substance. It's nothing more than a feel-good mantra for the particularly devout to rationalise away that awkward cognitive dissonance of wrestling religious scripture with our ever increasing scientific understanding of reality.

Essentially it's saying "science will one day realise it is wrong and that your personal religious beliefs are in fact correct". It's quite a silly thing to say, really. Not only is this utterly at odds with past and current trends scientific progress but the opposite is actually true: that the more we learn about the universe, the less we need to rely on the crutch of religious dogma to make sense of the world around us.

originally posted by: theatreboy
"Science and theology are two ends of a single truth, but the world will never receive the full benefits of their investigations until they have made peace with each other, and labor hand and hand for the accomplishment of the great work-the liberation of spirit and intelligence from the three-dimensional prison-house of ignorance, superstition, and fear."

Yes, there IS a basis for this quote, which is saying the same thing as Jastrow. In fact, it is the crux of the matter. The opposition to this idea is precisely what we need to get past if we are to make further progress. If we insist on a strictly materialistic view of reality, admitting nothing else on principle alone, we are, indeed, stuck. And there is plenty of empirical evidence here that we pointedly ignore because, well, it's "impossible."

originally posted by: schuyler And there is plenty of empirical evidence here that we pointedly ignore because, well, it's "impossible."

>[Plenty of] empirical evidence

>Impossible

Pick one.

originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: schuyler And there is plenty of empirical evidence here that we pointedly ignore because, well, it's "impossible."

>[Plenty of] empirical evidence

>Impossible

Pick one.

Perhaps you did not understand that my use of the word "impossible" was sarcastic. "Impossible" in the sense of whistling past the graveyard. "Impossible" in the sense that you can look right at it and pretend it does not exist. "Impossible" in the sense of, well, your post is a perfect example.

a reply to: schuyler

And there is plenty of empirical evidence here that we pointedly ignore because, well, it's "impossible."

[citation needed]

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: schuyler

And there is plenty of empirical evidence here that we pointedly ignore because, well, it's "impossible."

[citation needed]

No, it's not. It's all in the thread above.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: schuyler

And there is plenty of empirical evidence here that we pointedly ignore because, well, it's "impossible."

[citation needed]

No, it's not. It's all in the thread above.

Retconning your personal religion's scripture into science with vague hand-waving is not "plenty of empirical evidence".

a reply to: GetHyped

My friend, i am an electrical engineer...fasinated with lost civilizations, physics, and the search for the truth. I am a christian and a freemason also. Trust me, i am not "particularly devout", but wonder if it is not you who can not open your eyes to other aspects of life in which you may be awkward with....ie, faith and the belief that your life and actions have an end based on the way you revere the spiritual.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: theatreboy
"Science and theology are two ends of a single truth, but the world will never receive the full benefits of their investigations until they have made peace with each other, and labor hand and hand for the accomplishment of the great work-the liberation of spirit and intelligence from the three-dimensional prison-house of ignorance, superstition, and fear."

Yes, there IS a basis for this quote, which is saying the same thing as Jastrow. In fact, it is the crux of the matter. The opposition to this idea is precisely what we need to get past if we are to make further progress. If we insist on a strictly materialistic view of reality, admitting nothing else on principle alone, we are, indeed, stuck. And there is plenty of empirical evidence here that we pointedly ignore because, well, it's "impossible."

Well said.

Sounds to me that it's time for the scientists to think out of the box, from their comfort zone based on mainstream view - "Is this the limit of our current understanding of physics based on what we think are the inviolable laws of physics?"

I'm tired of hearing "Nothing is faster than the speed of light", "Aliens don't exist", It can't be like this or that, etc

Oh, and then there's..."zero" and "one"...

Hee, hee... one raised to the zero power is one. Two raised to the zero power is also one.

So zero raised to the zero power is one, and one raised to the zero power is also one.

Therefore....0=1

Just fun for the mathematicians...prove it wrong.