Vigilante groups forming all over Europe but why refer to them all as far right

vigilantes or volunteer private security?

I'd say volunteer private security.

originally posted by: AnIntellectualRedneck
The only thing that I see is that people are literally more afraid of the potential rise of Nazi-like ideologies creeping again from groups of people that simply want to protect their loved ones than they are the threat of groups of misogynist, raping immigrants attacking people now.

Interesting choice of words. First off, I'd say that Nazi-like ideologies taking hold would indeed be more frightening than the crimes of immigrants who can easily be ejected from a given country. Secondly, I'd make a point about what government is, in the ultimate sense.

Government is a consensual monopoly on the use of force. Everything else is an add-on feature. The core purpose of government is to wield force in a way that meets but does not exceed the needs of its populace. You should not be surprised when people look askance at non-governmental forces pretending to be government, wandering the streets with weapons. They are not "only" anything. They are people wandering around with weapons looking for a situation in which they should utilize them. Humans decided long ago in nearly every society that we want those people to be answerable to us. That we do not approve of anonymous citizens dolling out force before disappearing into the shadows. Those who carry the sacred burden and duty of doing violence to protect the whole are answerable to the whole.

If you don't intend to be answerable to your entire populace, put your gun down and go home.

a reply to: anxiouswens


I can only speak for about the Finnish group as that is the only one I know enough about.
It's leadership is made up of people from openly neo nazi facist groups. If you do a bit of research you can find this info from many trusted and in-biased sources. Many of the group are violent racist and homophobic convicts. The Finnish group is referred to as an extreme right wing group because that is exactly what it is.

From the op ed pieces I have seen, the Finnish people on a whole are scared by the group.
Does something need to be done about immigrants commiting crime? Yes.
Does the answer lie with a bunch of violent thugs that also stand against freedom? No

Question...

If you cannot walk the streets alone, because OVERNIGHT an invading force of people who rape and stab people with no question....are on YOUR streets. And the Police, Mayors, Police Chiefs, Governors....have all decided not to report it or even DO ANYTHING...

What should people do?

Stay inside? Get used to it?

Vigilantism rears it's head when the people PAYED to keep them safe and uphold the law do nothing.

Question...

Do you live in Sweden? In Germany? Or are you just working on your next novel about the Brown Invaders?

a reply to: forkedtongue


Out of interest, can you explain the connection with the left and the KKK? Or link me some sources so I can learn about that?
I always thought that the KKK had far more in common with right wing politics than left.

a reply to: jobless1

Every single side in politics uses a tonne of propaganda. There is no one side that uses it more than another.

Every single side in politics acts superior.

Personally I'm not left or right wing and not affiliated or a supporter of any political movement. But everybody I've ever known that is left or right or anything always sees their own side in rose tinted glasses and see the other side as a mob of aggressive properganda pushers that hate anybody with slightly different opinions. Whilst many people see that BOTH left and right are equally guilty of this.

originally posted by: forkedtongue

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: Ashamedandsad
a reply to: nonspecific

I wonder what percentage of the people spreading the fear are Christians just wanting to diss the other religion.
OP you a Christian?.

As far as the Uk one mentioned I do not think they are on the whole actual Christians.

I think that they use Christianity and national pride to gain support from true Christians and patriots to further their own nasty agenda, which is to remove anyone who is not white and British from the country.

Simple question.

Why is it only Christian white nations must import other religions and races enmass?

It seems a lot of you guys just don't Christians and whites, and want to see them wiped out.

Why else would you demand they import other ethnicity and religious groups in large numbers?

If I add nothing but skittles and green M&ms into a bowl of orange M&ms, how long does it remain a bowl of orange M&ms?

Simple question, no hidden meanings, I am just curious as to the motives if those like you that demand a constant influx of other races religions and cultures into the west.

Do you hate your own people so bad you want them to be nonexistent?

Because that is the only outcome of such actions.

The eradication of Christian white culture as a whole.

Who here has hated on white Christians?
Who here has demanded that we import other nationalities and religions?

I see people here hating on fascism. And that is all. I hate the open door immigration but I see that fascism is not the answer. Down that path is dictatorship, war, homophobia, death, sexism.......

a reply to: b14warrior

He (or she) never said anyone HERE hated on whites or Christians.

Never the less, he is 100% right. ONLY white countries have forced immigration policies.
You always hear the gutless left whining and moaning about multiculturalism.
Well, Namibia is NOT a multicultural country, does that mean they're racist bigots? Does it mean that we should be screaming and whinging and forcing them to import millions of whites so they can become multicultural?

No you say? Why? Because Namibia is not a 'white' or 'christian' country?

Ok, how about Japan, that is NOT a multicultural country either. Lets force them to import millions of central Africans so they're won't be such a racist country anymore.

See how that works? It's an undeniable fact that this pathetic ideology of multiculturalism is ONLY pushed on 'white' or 'christian' countries. To deny this, or to even suggest that it's not entirely true, just shows that one has their head in the sand, has absolutely no idea about the goings on here on Earth or is flat out lying.

Now, that said. When Namibians speak out and say "no, we want Namibia to be for Namibians" the gutless left says: "they're proud of their heritage and they want to protect their culture, good on them".
When the Japanese say "we will never allow muslims to immigrate to our country because islam is a hateful ideology", the hypocritical left says: "Japan just wants to protect its interests and preserve it's heritage".
When the English say "We want to preserve English culture and ensure the western way of life continues", the pathetic left says: "RACIST!!!!!!"

Left wing liberalism is surely a mental disorder of some sort.

a reply to: Breakthestreak

Do you base your knowledge of the world on memes or something or are you just deliberately spreading disinfo?

The biggest mosque in Japan
en.m.wikipedia.org...

And here: a list of mosques scattered around the country where islam is apparently banned
www.masjid.jp...

"I have found that a fundamental aspect of the spirit of Islam is harmony with and love for others," Shinzo Abe, the Japanese Prime Minister in 2014 clearly justifying his decision to ban muslims that never happened.

Oh yeah and Namibia, which is 80% Christian, whose official language is English and has had a large influx of Chinese immigrants over the past 10 years that isn't a multicultural country at all:
en.m.wikipedia.org...

Details of the white Namibians who supposedly don't live there:
en.m.wikipedia.org...

Namibia is in fact so multicultural I even found an article on stormfront where they proposed it as the new baldy base of operations for disillusioned nazis:
www....[hate-site-nolink]/forum/t1066517/

But yeah, let's not allow things like facts to get in the way of our nonsensical rants about librools.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Same thing happened in Germany in the 20's and 30's when the unnelected Nazis (Brown shirts) started patrolling the streets looking for commies and trade union activists to vent their anger on...How did that turn out.

These so called vigilantes were far right thugs before new years eve with most being members of far right groups such as Pegida... Soldiers of Odin... Britain First ...or take your pick of racist knuckle draggers from whatever country they hail from.

The last thing we need are these facist arseholes patroling the streets looking for "Misbehaving" Migrants ". That will only serve to have them believe they are somehow relevant . Christ they act like a crime has never been committed by anyone other than migrants.

Smash the Fash.

It'll probably end up being both thanks to the comments of Barbara Spectre

originally posted by: Loopdaloop
vigilantes or volunteer private security?

I'd say volunteer private security.

On what evidence?

a reply to: Breakthestreak

You always hear the gutless left whining and moaning about multiculturalism.

The only person whining and moaning about multiculturalism here is you. Can I assume you're part of the 'gutless left'?

And do you think the answer to the current refugee crisis is to join forces with a neo-nazi group?

originally posted by: anxiouswens
So men in Europe who are concerned about their women being raped and sexually assaulted are far right? Do you know how illogical that sounds. The far right groups are the ones who want violence and follow hitler. A lot of normal citizens would find this just as frightening as terrorists. These vigilante groups are made up of normal citizens who have had enough that doesnt make them far right, it just makes them human!a reply to: yesyesyes

Those that "run" things are so out of touch......what does it mean to them, this sort of behavior on their "own" countrymen? Well they have a zoo keepers mentality......just a bunch of animals reacting and over reacting. Labeling reaction in cases like this really demonstrated the disconnect and control freek nature of world leader.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
Question...

If you cannot walk the streets alone, because OVERNIGHT an invading force of people who rape and stab people with no question....are on YOUR streets. And the Police, Mayors, Police Chiefs, Governors....have all decided not to report it or even DO ANYTHING...

What should people do?

Stay inside? Get used to it?

Vigilantism rears it's head when the people PAYED to keep them safe and uphold the law do nothing.

Notice as well its always got a title......which by the way the "knowledge and information ministry" outlets have spent years turning into pejoratives and gently crafting and redefining to the point where folks that are forced to patrol their own streets are "vigilantes".

But what is the solution here, its been seen that the Police are being told to be looking the other way when there's anything to do with trouble making migrants, authorities go out of their way to almost blame the women who got molested or raped by telling them to change their look etc while Mr Happy Rapist walks away to commit more crime.

So what do you think people should do when we see our own governments look the other way?

I'm certainly not advocating violence but unless something is done soon you will get it from one side or both.

There's too much dismissing the threat out there, its about time people realised that the radical portion of these immigrants ARE here to attack culture and society, the time for constantly calling out racist and Islamophobic are past, we are seeing first hand what your government does not want you to see, once you weed out the propaganda, lies and deliberate disinformation you get left with simple undeniable evidence of extreme violence, radical demands and attempts to alter culture. I remember our Prime Minister, the infamous Tony Blair saying that the threat of Islamic Radicals was just a few crazies and there wasn't an issue, then he opened our border and we were flooded leading to things like The Trojan Horse schools problem, the constant rise of Paedophile gangs of Muslims mainly from Pakistan and the constant call for Shariah law.

Now we look worldwide to see the problems most of the EU is having from Radicalised Muslims, not just a few crazies.

The far left just look away and name call, the far right just want violence but those in the middle just want this issue stopped in its tracks, the time of pretending it isn't happening HAS to stop, the Left needs to stop arse kissing any group that says they are nice, get a grip people, you are being used, do you really think a radical Muslim will be your best friend.....They even hate each other, you will just be used and given the same choice, convert or die. The far right, thankfully its brainless leading brainless but its us lot stuck in the middle who have seen multiculturalism actually work until the rise of radical Islam, now its calling the shots and they are being helped from within our own countries.

Me, I'm married to a Muslim woman, I'm of no religion, neither of us will get any fair treatment from these people, she will be done for blasphemy by the Radicals while I'll be treated as a kuffar, so you see, we and our daughter need this issue to be fixed before OUR human Rights get infringed by a backward off shoot of Islam with laws made by dirty old men with a shocking hatred of the West.

But I guess the usual types will label me a racist and Islamophobic (utterly unreal word) and against Multiculturalism yet my wife and I are proof positive it CAN work but not when one side gives in to every demand and the other has nothing but hatred towards you. Islam in general is an outdated religion but when people just use it as a faith then it can be peaceful and its followers the same but the second the Radicals get involved the religion is dropped back hundreds of years and refuses to evolve and its those young men seen piling in to every EU country that are the Radicals and as we sit around doing nothing the numbers will rise and stuff that used to just go on in their countries will start being an every day occurrence here because those in charge will NOT put their foot down and stop them.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
So men in Europe who are concerned about their women being raped and sexually assaulted are far right? Do you know how illogical that sounds.

No. It's the those orchestrating a far right agenda who are engaged in the false flag operations that manufacture the illusion of a threat that would not otherwise exist. Non right wingers are far more likely to see ISIS, among other things, as CIA-Israeli operatives in place to vilify the Muslim religion. For instance, I am monumentally suspicious of this sexual assault attack story in Germany. It's much easier for me to believe that the clandestine ruling elite that creates and exploits divisiveness for mind control are behind that, than some large band of Muslims who in no way at all benefit from behaving that way. Right wingers are far more likely the become **reactionary** as hell to such things as race and religion because these things are pre-existing triggers for those invested in that ideology. You can kid yourself, but many of us are not fooled.

good article and totally agree

except the far right and far left. stop labeling things we just who we are.
lets call ourselves lefts and rights so we fit into a group.. its just made up human nonsense.

other than that a good read.




a reply to: anxiouswens

Vigilantism is a symptom of law enforcement being ineffective. Left and right is more of a side issue, but those will take advantage of a problem situation when it comes up. You'd have very little of it if the police were doing their job. Politics definitely has a role in this, as governments are encoraging and bringing in a lot of people while not properly screening and being unprepared in terms of resources.

Now whether or not the vigilantes are trouble themselves? If they're harrasing and causing trouble with people minding their own day to day business because of how they look, clothes, or language, then they're obviously in the wrong. However if they're beating the ever loving snot out of somebody that thought it was ok to go gropey-gropey, assault, or throw rocks at other people - then good on 'em, the perpetrators had it coming. Not to mention some men should probably consider themselves lucky they haven't been treated as animals yet despite acting that way - a heavy blanket and scissors tends to fix the overly frisky and unwanted problem behavior.

If some mullah thinks it's ok to come up with some B.S. excuses to cause trouble, then don't be surprised if others will feel inclined to prepare and to deal with that trouble as it arises. If Europeans feel women should be able to freely go about their business, then it's their initiative to provide security and escort for safe passage if the official government is unwilling. And keep in mind most policing is reactive, it may prevent some incidents from happening in the first place if people are somewhat proactive. The criminally inclined tend not to do things if they don't think they can get away without coming to harm themselves.

Now if everyone settles down and behaves, all should be good. You can still have your religion if you must. And if you don't like the European social norms and rules of society, there are other places you can move to instead. Why choose to go to a secular country if you know you're not going to like it? There are plenty of other options.

a reply to: crazyewok

How did I not notice that!?