Vigilante groups forming all over Europe but why refer to them all as far right

They're not trying to stop rape, they're trying to stop rape by foreign migrants which supposedly is this huge and imminent thing that requires entire squads of guys to deal with. I suppose when they dont encounter any they'll chalk it up to having an effective presence and consider it a giant victory or maybe they'll just get bored and give random Abdul a kicking for looking at them wrong.

Apparently they didn't have a problem with regular rape until now or they could have lent their support to the numerous campaigns out there trying to stop it.

It's amazing how easily somebody's inherently violent nature can be coaxed out and justified under the guise of acting nobly. It's going to get out of hand quickly.

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
It's because the left wing is the most fascist group of people on the planet.
"This is what we say and you don't agree we'll shout you down and ridicule you and accuse you of things that don't even make sense" (such as saying someone is racist for being anti-religion, or a bigot for being anti-rape)

That is the definition of fascism, pushing your side's beliefs while ridiculing all those who disagree.

Would you call me a fascist if I told you the definition is actually "a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government"?

What I don't get is this, Islam is most definitely right wing. In fact, far more so than Nazism. Yet, the left defends them.

Only if you're one of those who insists that moderate Muslims who have no desire to hurt anyone aren't real Muslims because they don't resemble a Hollywood villain.

Islam is misogynistic, homophobic, anti semetic, hateful and very very VERY intolerant of anything that is not islam. Yet, the left defends it.

What is this monolithic "left" you're on about? Some people generally considered "left", like Bill Maher, are vocally critical of Islam (and that's not radical Islam -- that's just Islam, period). Some say little. No one I know who I'd regard as left-of-center defends people like ISIS or Al Q'aeda.

Perhaps it's more the case that many of the people you're thinking of just don't see any value in attacking an entire religion.

Lefties say "you have to respect everyone's beliefs" but then they don't respect the KKK or the Nazi's beliefs. Why? Because they're intolerant?

Left wing hypocrisy. It's the downfall of western civilisation.

I think oversimplified partisan polemic might be more of an immediate threat.

a reply to: anxiouswens

Because diversity must be imposed and resistance in all forms to becoming a faceless people with no lasting idiosyncrasies and true diversity is more important than actual peace due to the benefits of governing people lost in sameness. We are all the same so stop being the way you are and be like these people or else you are a problem.

also nazis, the US, Russia somehow, and reasons.

OR

Empire, fear mongering, "thats ignorant" and PMS.

and racism, always racism.


My tongue just burst through my cheek.

originally posted by: anxiouswens


I saw a comment yesterday from a man in London, UK which flies in the face of all these people who do the name calling whenever concerns are raised (I am not going to call them left wing because I dont think they are, I am left wing as are many people I know and we all have concerns).

The comment was as follows

"I am a black man and even I can see that the rise of these vigilante groups was ineviable, it is what happens when governments and Police stop protecting and listening to their own citizens. I would feel much safer with far right groups patrolling the streets rather than Islamic terrorists".

He won't be saying that once he get's strung up by those same vigilante groups, when they see the colour of his skin, and assume he is one of the immigrants causing trouble.

a reply to: symphonyofblase

O have to agree the government ignores people then groups will be created by thr people. Happens everywhere when people don't feel represented by their government. As for people being from the right wing id say you'll find just as many from thr far left. Both have different motivations but there are multiple reasons to be worried about immigration.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: symphonyofblase

O have to agree the government ignores people then groups will be created by thr people. Happens everywhere when people don't feel represented by their government. As for people being from the right wing id say you'll find just as many from thr far left. Both have different motivations but there are multiple reasons to be worried about immigration.

I don't believe in this made-up concept of "left or right".
It's just another load of crap invented to further divide us.

Europe has Far-left and Far-right groups in it's recent past. Why are these guys called "Far Right"? Because these particular groups ARE Far Right.

It really is that simple.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
There has been lots of news coming out from Europe about vigilante groups forming all over Europe following on from NYE events. One such group is in Finland they are patrolling the streets at night to look for migrants who may be misbehaving.

A lot of these groups are being formed and made up of concerned fathers, husbands, brothers who want to protect their families. My question is why do the Press always refer to these groups as far right?

I know lots of British men who are not far anything and if anything lean to the left if pressed who find these acts abhorrent. In fact since when did anti rape and anti sexual harrassment make someone far right!

In Europe and UK people have been concerned about these huge influxes of young, fit, men for a long time now but every time they have voiced their concerns they have been told the migrants are not mainly men but women and children (even though anyone with eyes could see this wasnt true), that they are racist (although it has nothing to do with race), bigoted and xenophobic. Their voices have been squashed like this for a long term.

Then news has been coming out of Europe for months now about rapes but whenever those stories have come to light from Sweden AND Germany people are told the news sources are right wing propaganda (even though now it seems those sources were the only ones not trying to hide the true scale of this).

People in Europe have had enough of not being listened to by their governments and Police and now cant even trust their governments or Police as more and more crimes that have been hidden are coming to light. That doesnt make them far right, it makes them normal citizens extremely concerned about their heritage, culture and whole way of life being affected by these new people who seen to want to destroy Europe.

I saw a comment yesterday from a man in London, UK which flies in the face of all these people who do the name calling whenever concerns are raised (I am not going to call them left wing because I dont think they are, I am left wing as are many people I know and we all have concerns).

The comment was as follows

"I am a black man and even I can see that the rise of these vigilante groups was ineviable, it is what happens when governments and Police stop protecting and listening to their own citizens. I would feel much safer with far right groups patrolling the streets rather than Islamic terrorists".

It was apparent to lots of people that a lot of these men werent coming here to seek refuge, the real refugees are the women, men and children crying with relief when they reach shore, not the young men taking selfies sticking two fingers in the air looking like they are going on a lads holiday.

Obviously there will be some in the vigilante groups who are far right but I think most are just desperate citizens who have had enough. If Europe dont start listening to their people without a shadow of doubt the REAL far right groups will start rising and more and more normal citizens will start following them. Only the Politicians and authorities can stop this now by closing the borders, returning the men and protecting the people they are paid to represent that is unless they want civil war on their streets.

Vigilante groups forming all over Europe but why refer to them all as far right?

So 50% of the people will oppose them that's why.

They could have called them the far left and the result would be the same. They simply flipped a coin to decide what to cal them.

Turban wearing Sikhs and Hindus and pediatricians news.bbc.co.uk... get caught up in any mob vigilante groups. I'm sure that's a small price for some. Collateral damage in the defence of those with anxiety issues.

The first California homicide victim in 2016 is an American following the Sikh faith. The deceased, Gurcharam Singh Gill, of 68 years of age, was stabbed until he died at a convenience store. This murder is just one of many attacks which followers of the Sikh religion has suffered due to prejudice. Read more at World Religion News: "Sikhs Suffer Violence Due to Confusion with Muslims" www.worldreligionnews.com...
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www.worldreligionnews.com...

a reply to: Azureblue

Not really. In the 70's and 80's, terrorist and vigilante groups in Europe were mostly from the left. The Red Brigades, Bader Meinhof, Action Directe, Red Army Faction etc. Now most of the anti/counter government groups in Europe are on the right because the elected governments have moved to the left.

For the most part, groups in opposition to government and it's policies are on the opposite side of the political spectrum from their respective governments because they feel unrepresented and action is needed to oppose them.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: anxiouswens

The answer to roving gangs of immigrants, is not roving gangs of ignorant, unaccountable, unidentified muppets laying down "the law". Wrongdoing cannot be countered by wrongdoing, fascism cannot be countered by fascism.

The answers to this issue lay in forcing the government to provide law enforcement equal to requirements, and to refuse to engage in work, travel, or spending on anything but the essentials until that enforcement is in place.

Well said and i whole-heartedly agree.

Pragmatic approach to a very serious issue.

originally posted by: Leonidas
Europe has Far-left and Far-right groups in it's recent past. Why are these guys called "Far Right"? Because these particular groups ARE Far Right.

It really is that simple.

And why are they called "far left"?

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
Turban wearing Sikhs and Hindus and pediatricians news.bbc.co.uk... get caught up in any mob vigilante groups. I'm sure that's a small price for some. Collateral damage in the defence of those with anxiety issues.

The first California homicide victim in 2016 is an American following the Sikh faith. The deceased, Gurcharam Singh Gill, of 68 years of age, was stabbed until he died at a convenience store. This murder is just one of many attacks which followers of the Sikh religion has suffered due to prejudice. Read more at World Religion News: "Sikhs Suffer Violence Due to Confusion with Muslims" www.worldreligionnews.com...
p=22491

www.worldreligionnews.com...

Xenophpobia doesn't differentiate. If you have tanned skin, you're fair game.

originally posted by: Leonidas
Europe has Far-left and Far-right groups in it's recent past. Why are these guys called "Far Right"? Because these particular groups ARE Far Right.

It really is that simple.

This really makes no sense at all.
In essence, you are saying that "far right" groups are in fact "far right" because they are "far right"???

Ummm can you elaborate on this please? How about starting with the origins of the "far left or right" terms, what they mean, who invented them, who continues to use them, etc etc etc.

originally posted by: symphonyofblase

I don't believe in this made-up concept of "left or right".
It's just another load of crap invented to further divide us.

The fun is that if I had to name a far right group it would be the anarchists instead of those in fond of national socialism. There is a hint of good idealism in both camps. Governments will always like to see equivalents of Bloods and Crips divided but people in groups tend to define themselves against each other. What would they do without any enemy?

a reply to: symphonyofblase

In a nutshell, Left has come to encapsulate communism, socialism, public retainership of the distribution of wealth and public freedom whereas the Right would concern itself with economic freedom, social inequality as an inescapable fact of life and capitalism, and facism.

The origins are interesting:

The terms "Right" and "Left" refer to political affiliations which originated early in the French Revolutionary era of 1789–1799, and referred originally to the seating arrangements in the various legislative bodies of France. The aristocracy sat on the right of the Speaker (traditionally the seat of honor) and the commoners sat on the Left, hence the terms Right-wing politics and Left-wing politics.

Political spectrum



The Horseshoe model above demonstrates how the extreme left and right have more in common with each other than centralists do.

Are you in Europe or America? White supremacists in Europe would be considered extreme right wing groups. Hope that helps.

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: symphonyofblase

In a nutshell, Left has come to encapsulate communism, socialism, public retainership of the distribution of wealth and public freedom whereas the Right would concern itself with economic freedom, social inequality as an inescapable fact of life and capitalism, and facism.

The origins are interesting:

The terms "Right" and "Left" refer to political affiliations which originated early in the French Revolutionary era of 1789–1799, and referred originally to the seating arrangements in the various legislative bodies of France. The aristocracy sat on the right of the Speaker (traditionally the seat of honor) and the commoners sat on the Left, hence the terms Right-wing politics and Left-wing politics.

Political spectrum

The Horseshoe model above demonstrates how the extreme left and right have more in common with each other than centralists do.

Are you in Europe or America? White supremacists in Europe would be considered extreme right wing groups. Hope that helps.

All I'm saying is, who introduced to us - the people - the concept of 'right or left'.
You're telling me about the origins of left and right, but I guarantee that the first mention you ever heard of this BS was on TV.

I think part of the reason they are considered 'right' is because the right have created this image of themselves. The American right has continually referred to themselves as the fighting group, the ones are continually at war with the Democrats and liberals and convincing their following that they are always the underdog. They have created this own image.

a reply to: symphonyofblase

The concept, as I mentioned, was introduced in 18th c France. Political scientists have used it , re-worked it, fallen out over it, tried to redefine it ever since.

Probably the first time you heard it was on TV. They are fairly well understood terms and are handy as generalisations. TV is how we communicate to large audiences. There is no need to attend political rallies these days or attend university to have a familiarity with the jargon.

Wrong. You've got it wrong here. Revisionist history can be an evil, terrible thing.


a reply to: TrueBrit