Vigilante groups forming all over Europe but why refer to them all as far right

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: nonspecific

I'm giving the OP the benefit of the doubt here, but I'm suspecting that all of these innocuous, caring fathers and brothers mentioned earlier are probably knuckle draggers of the same ilk.

Happy, as ever, to be proven wrong though.

Good point lol

originally posted by: yesyesyes

originally posted by: anxiouswens
There has been lots of news coming out from Europe about vigilante groups forming all over Europe following on from NYE events. One such group is in Finland they are patrolling the streets at night to look for migrants who may be misbehaving.

A lot of these groups are being formed and made up of concerned fathers, husbands, brothers who want to protect their families. My question is why do the Press always refer to these groups as far right?

I know lots of British men who are not far anything and if anything lean to the left if pressed who find these acts abhorrent. In fact since when did anti rape and anti sexual harrassment make someone far right!

In Europe and UK people have been concerned about these huge influxes of young, fit, men for a long time now but every time they have voiced their concerns they have been told the migrants are not mainly men but women and children (even though anyone with eyes could see this wasnt true), that they are racist (although it has nothing to do with race), bigoted and xenophobic. Their voices have been squashed like this for a long term.

Then news has been coming out of Europe for months now about rapes but whenever those stories have come to light from Sweden AND Germany people are told the news sources are right wing propaganda (even though now it seems those sources were the only ones not trying to hide the true scale of this).

People in Europe have had enough of not being listened to by their governments and Police and now cant even trust their governments or Police as more and more crimes that have been hidden are coming to light. That doesnt make them far right, it makes them normal citizens extremely concerned about their heritage, culture and whole way of life being affected by these new people who seen to want to destroy Europe.

I saw a comment yesterday from a man in London, UK which flies in the face of all these people who do the name calling whenever concerns are raised (I am not going to call them left wing because I dont think they are, I am left wing as are many people I know and we all have concerns).

The comment was as follows

"I am a black man and even I can see that the rise of these vigilante groups was ineviable, it is what happens when governments and Police stop protecting and listening to their own citizens. I would feel much safer with far right groups patrolling the streets rather than Islamic terrorists".

It was apparent to lots of people that a lot of these men werent coming here to seek refuge, the real refugees are the women, men and children crying with relief when they reach shore, not the young men taking selfies sticking two fingers in the air looking like they are going on a lads holiday.

Obviously there will be some in the vigilante groups who are far right but I think most are just desperate citizens who have had enough. If Europe dont start listening to their people without a shadow of doubt the REAL far right groups will start rising and more and more normal citizens will start following them. Only the Politicians and authorities can stop this now by closing the borders, returning the men and protecting the people they are paid to represent that is unless they want civil war on their streets.

they are far right.

If you look at western societies, the right wingers are typically more nationalist and less tolerant to inclusive diversification. Look at the right wing American's, British, French, Nazi's hold similar views...

Everything the right in America is blamed for was in fact began by the left.

The American left an Nazism have much more in common than the right.

Republicans are the right, they freed the slaves, and voted civil rights laws into place.

Democrats are the left, they founded the KKK, passed Jim Crow laws and sought to keep all minorities down.

Which sounds more like Nazism to you?

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: nonspecific

I'm giving the OP the benefit of the doubt here, but I'm suspecting that all of these innocuous, caring fathers and brothers mentioned earlier are probably knuckle draggers of the same ilk.

Happy, as ever, to be proven wrong though.

I think that these pleasant individuals who are only concerned for their family's safety are simply using the current media hyped situation to act out what they already wanted to do.

I am pretty sure there was crime before the immigrants arrived and that as we speak non immigrants are committing crimes yet they are apparently only looking for immigrants who may be breaking the law.

How long before an innocent person is hurt or killed by an unlawful mob of racists?

originally posted by: beansidhe
a reply to: nonspecific

I'm giving the OP the benefit of the doubt here, but I'm suspecting that all of these innocuous, caring fathers and brothers mentioned earlier are probably knuckle draggers of the same ilk.

Happy, as ever, to be proven wrong though.

I wouldnt hold my breath.

a reply to: forkedtongue

Right wing.
This thread specifically applies to European politics, and I can assure you that on our spectrum there is overwhelming consensus that the Nazis were a far right, fascist party.

a reply to: nonspecific

I wonder what percentage of the people spreading the fear are Christians just wanting to diss the other religion.
OP you a Christian?.

originally posted by: Ashamedandsad
a reply to: nonspecific

I wonder what percentage of the people spreading the fear are Christians just wanting to diss the other religion.
OP you a Christian?.

As far as the Uk one mentioned I do not think they are on the whole actual Christians.

I think that they use Christianity and national pride to gain support from true Christians and patriots to further their own nasty agenda, which is to remove anyone who is not white and British from the country.

a reply to: anxiouswens

Amen, anything semi masculine these days is "far right"

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: jobless1

Seriously tired of the nazi name calling. Everything bad is Nazi Germany or tied to them. It can be expressed that some of the things the nazis did was horrible but you cant link everything.

Things nazi did that you probably do your self
1. brush your teeth

If it walks like a duck... Why ? They use the same methods nazis did so they are NAZIS.NAZI NAZI NAZI

often I see how the left act more nazi then the right wing.
1.propaganda
2. feeling genetically superior to others "smarter" the nazi did it with race the political left does it with political affiliation.

a reply to: anxiouswens

Because they are.

I've been to the protests of Hogesa, Pegida and AfD myself, to see first hand what is going on there.
No doubt about it - they are Neo-Nazis, or have Neo-Nazis in their ranks in significant proportions.
From open Hitler-salutes, to yelling for concentration camps, forced sterilisation, deportation for all "non-Arians", and hanging of our currrent Government. Everything the Nazi-heart desires.

Needless to say - unexeptable and incompatible for people who call themselves "Patriots" in Germany.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: anxiouswens

Amen, anything semi masculine these days is "far right"

So are you suggesting that the best way to deal with mobs of people going round committing crimes is to have other mobs going round committing crimes then?

I am interested as to your reasoning as to how this would work?

a reply to: jobless1

You know what I have already had enough of here what 15 posts in lol.

originally posted by: ColCurious
a reply to: anxiouswens

Because they are.

I've been to the protests of Hogesa, Pegida and AfD myself, to see first hand what is going on there.
No doubt about it - they are Neo-Nazis, or have Neo-Nazis in their ranks in significant proportions.
From open Hitler-salutes, to yelling for concentration camps, forced sterilisation, deportation for all "non-Arians", and hanging of our currrent Government. Everything the Nazi-heart desires.

Needless to say - unexeptable and incompatible for people who call themselves "Patriots" in Germany.

A first hand account then?

It will be interesting as to how this will be responded to.

I do not suppose you have any video footage to back up what will no doubt be deemed propaganda from a loony lefty?

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: jobless1

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Same thing happened in Germany in the 20's and 30's when the unnelected Nazis (Brown shirts) started patrolling the streets looking for commies and trade union activists to vent their anger on...How did that turn out.

These so called vigilantes were far right thugs before new years eve with most being members of far right groups such as Pegida... Soldiers of Odin... Britain First ...or take your pick of racist knuckle draggers from whatever country they hail from.

The last thing we need are these facist arseholes patroling the streets looking for "Misbehaving" Migrants ". That will only serve to have them believe they are somehow relevant . Christ they act like a crime has never been committed by anyone other than migrants.

Smash the Fash.

Seriously tired of the nazi name calling. Everything bad is Nazi Germany or tied to them. It can be expressed that some of the things the nazis did was horrible but you cant link everything.

Things nazi did that you probably do your self
1. brush your teeth

Things the Nazi's did that you most likely do not do yourself.

1. Exterminate several million Jews...

according to Benjamin Netanyahu the prime minister of Israel Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews a Palestinian told Hitler to exterminate the Jews all Hitler wanted to do was relocate them.

heres the link forward.com...

a reply to: jobless1

But he did it anyway...
Are you making excuses for Hitler?.

I believe in God but I dont go to church nor belong to amy groups. I have my own private faith. I also dont belong to any other political groups. I am left wing in my thinking on most things but like most people I worry about what is going on in UK and Europe. I worry about the security risks. I dont know any skin head, knuckle busting football hooligans nor have I ever socialised with such people. Anyone who knows me would really laugh at this, I am as far removed from these type of people as you can get. I have friends of all different backgrounds, colour and cultures after doing a lot of travelling and working away in my younger days and so I am not insular. The term racist isnt mr so it really doesnt bother me. This has nothing to do with a race of people, it is to do with people coming from a culture who dont want to assimilate into western culture or take on their values and want to change that culture and in some cases wish us real harm whether it be shooting innocent people in Paris or having organised sex gangs. I hapoen to thibk there are many more normal citizens like myaelf who have kept quiet for so long because of exactly what goes on here on ATS if they so much as raise those concerns they are called every name under the sun, i think thise people have now had enough and I think our politicians need to get their heads out of their backsides before there really are far right grouos taking over everywhere!a reply to: Ashamedandsad

originally posted by: Ashamedandsad
a reply to: jobless1

You know what I have already had enough of here what 15 posts in lol.

what the hell are you talking about Ashamendandsad?

originally posted by: anxiouswens
I believe in God but I dont go to church nor belong to amy groups. I have my own private faith. I also dont belong to any other political groups. I am left wing in my thinking on most things but like most people I worry about what is going on in UK and Europe. I worry about the security risks. I dont know any skin head, knuckle busting football hooligans nor have I ever socialised with such people. Anyone who knows me would really laugh at this, I am as far removed from these type of people as you can get. I have friends of all different backgrounds, colour and cultures after doing a lot of travelling and working away in my younger days and so I am not insular. The term racist isnt mr so it really doesnt bother me. This has nothing to do with a race of people, it is to do with people coming from a culture who dont want to assimilate into western culture or take on their values and want to change that culture and in some cases wish us real harm whether it be shooting innocent people in Paris or having organised sex gangs. I hapoen to thibk there are many more normal citizens like myaelf who have kept quiet for so long because of exactly what goes on here on ATS if they so much as raise those concerns they are called every name under the sun, i think thise people have now had enough and I think our politicians need to get their heads out of their backsides before there really are far right grouos taking over everywhere!a reply to: Ashamedandsad

Ah you mean like the spiral of silence?
masscommtheory.com...

a reply to: nonspecific

I have no footage, no. There is plenty on the web anyways.
I'm not a "loony lefty" though, I can asure you. Quite the opposite actually.

I've been called that by people from the U.S. on the internet alot lately for being critical against the far-right.
Frankly I don't understand why opposing Nazis is seen as an exclusive property of left-wingers.

originally posted by: nonspecific

originally posted by: Ashamedandsad
a reply to: nonspecific

I wonder what percentage of the people spreading the fear are Christians just wanting to diss the other religion.
OP you a Christian?.

As far as the Uk one mentioned I do not think they are on the whole actual Christians.

I think that they use Christianity and national pride to gain support from true Christians and patriots to further their own nasty agenda, which is to remove anyone who is not white and British from the country.

Simple question.

Why is it only Christian white nations must import other religions and races enmass?

It seems a lot of you guys just don't Christians and whites, and want to see them wiped out.

Why else would you demand they import other ethnicity and religious groups in large numbers?

If I add nothing but skittles and green M&ms into a bowl of orange M&ms, how long does it remain a bowl of orange M&ms?

Simple question, no hidden meanings, I am just curious as to the motives if those like you that demand a constant influx of other races religions and cultures into the west.

Do you hate your own people so bad you want them to be nonexistent?

Because that is the only outcome of such actions.

The eradication of Christian white culture as a whole.