Republican Presidential Debate 1/14/2016

a reply to: JacKatMtn

I remember as a young hoodlum in the 70's, that American made was a good thing...

what happened?

Unsustainable goals and expectations.

Its not that the biggest corporations are evil its that they have to infinitely grow and beat last years expectations to survive for infinity.

That is not possible unless you start to move further into the grey area, unfortunately the big Corps have the money and dream team of lobbyist to push that grey area further back. Even worse they have to do it to survive.

The grey area today is miles away from where it was, I forsee it continuing going further away if we don't change lobbying regulations.

Its not only greed but even worse , its greed out of desperation for survival.

With all the shouting back and forth between egos, (Not including Carson, he appears to have no ego).

Trump is standing there in the middle, like a life size Big Boy Hamburgers statue. Is he not getting any questions? Is he too uninformed of the issues to make an understandable contribution? What gives?

Des

originally posted by: Destinyone
With all the shouting back and forth between egos, (Not including Carson, he appears to have no ego).

Trump is standing there in the middle, like a life size Big Boy Hamburgers statue. Is he not getting any questions? Is he too uninformed of the issues to make an understandable contribution? What gives?

Des

He grandstanded with the best of them, just as substantive as the other IMO

Still a Ben Carson fan.....

2nd would be Gov Kasich from Ohio...

The rest.... you can have them....


YMMV

They're all complete morons about our economy. Americans can't afford to buy American products without a minimum wage of 25 hours an hour. Are they going to pay that wage to American employees? Not a chance in hell, they will continue to lobby for our trade agreements with China and other no labor law countries to remain exactly as is.

The corporate tax rate is exactly the way it is, in intention, because America can't function without it... however large corporations by and large have negative tax rates meaning we actually pay THEM to be American companies and then on top of that we subsidize their employees that work in their chain stores (not applicable to every large American corporation, I know), with food stamps and discounted if not free healthcare. The people that end up supporting all our corporate costs and our social safety-nets are small business owners (actual small businesses not billion dollar ones that somehow get to claim they are) and solid middle class Americans. And the ultra-wealthy can bitch and bitch about high tax rates but they will always lobby against tax code reform because of all the loop holes etc that enable them to pay much lower taxes.

Middle class and small businesses, in my opinion are the only ones justified in their complaint about taxes being too high... for them it is, they're carrying this country on their backs. It isn't right but if they weren't our economy would collapse. How does anyone logically expect that the large corporations would hire Americans and not use cheap labor elsewhere if only the corporate tax rate were lower? They won't, no way no how. The GOP and this is pretty much consensus across the the Conservative spectrum will never ban the practice of cheap foreign labor. Large corporations will never pay a tax on all their profits even if it's lower. Why would they if they can off-shore it and pay no tax on it all?

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Wouldn't republican ideals typically be against the sort of privacy invasions revealed by Snowden?

ideally you are correct, Republicans should be against this privacy invasion. However, Republicans were the ones that open the flood gates with the patriot act.

They should also be for the free market but they opened the flood gates with the bailouts.

They should also be for small gov't but they opened the flood gates with creating Homeland Security and siding with Big Gov't over state rights on GMO labeling.

I can go on but I think you get the picture.

a reply to: JacKatMtn

I like your choices, Christie just reminds me of Mafia backroom deals.

Trump....he is, I'm convinced. An Alien from another planet.

Dex

a reply to: JacKatMtn

Agree with Carson not so much with Kasich .He has been around far to long and sounds to much in line with the establishment.

I would substitute Rand Paul for Kasich.

Sadly none of them have a chance.

Its a Hillary versus Rubio IMO, which equate to my most despised candidates.

a reply to: Kali74

Wasn't that the goal of deals like NAFTA et al?

Under the guise of "FREE TRADE"....

The American worker lost...

To say it would cost too much , is a slap in the face of the folks who lost their jobs after NAFTA?

a reply to: JacKatMtn

What is fantastic about the Republican Debate, these are the issues
and there are men ( dare I say that "men" ) with actual minds and
capable of speaking intelligently.

Better hands down than the Dem o Rats stage, three stooges on the stage
thinking "the economy" means "someone else's" money ....
with 2 of them being neutered and a spineless large frump
in charge of the Rat pack.

Foxnews after show is in a teasy about Rubio. Its coming folks

Hillary and Rubio.

Does anyone have anti puking medicine.

They are using marketing tactics and keep repeating Rubio to get the masses in sync.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

They have to say that because they must maintain the security issues against ISIS.

I realize they have to be tough on issues like this to get support but surely many republicans must draw the line when it comes to mass surveillance of citizens. Or do republicans now believe in sacrificing every ounce of privacy in return for increased safety? I guess they just believe what ever is the most emotionally appealing thing to believe at that moment in time.

originally posted by: interupt42
Foxnews after show is in a teasy about Rubio. Its coming folks

Hillary and Rubio.

Does anyone have anti puking medicine.

It's Trump and Shillary

Rubio dances too hard, I'm surprised he didn't collapse from exhaustion.

a reply to: yesyesyes

Rubio dances too hard, I'm surprised he didn't collapse from exhaustion.

He is also the biggest hypocrite and sneakiest B$hitter, but that is what appeals to the Establishment.


Trump won't get it , because he is too uncontrollable. At the end of the day if you get Trump against a wall he will throw anyone under the bus to get himself out even if it means sabotaging the end goal and sinking the ship.

He also speaks without thinking of the consequences of what he says. This is dangerous because he could say something they may not want the public to know.

So can anyone give me an overview of whom they thought was the strongest and how did Trump do?

Again, I was unable to watch.

a reply to: burntheships

I would have to agree with the substance, I still hate that they tried to bait some into bashing Hillary... that is not needed...

We can see who is who...


Hopefully Sunday evening, we will see the same when Clinton, Sanders & Omalley have their debate...


Still gobsmacked that anyone here, would be looking at Clinton... she has been outed... I personally cannot take any supporter of hers seriously...

I want better for the folks... not the establishment... she's the establishment...

Wow.. or not so Wow...

The highlight of the post show on FNC was (to me) the least important aspect...

the Cruz birther deal...

OMG we are so screwed.......


AGAIN!

I'm just kind of shocked that those are the Republican candidates for the presidency of the U.S

A demagogue/fascist
Followed by a religious zealot

a reply to: muse7

we already know where you lean...

This isn't about that...

a reply to: JacKatMtn

Watching the Fox Business stream and they are talking about how China is communist and is like North Korea.

Fox is such a piss-poor outfit. So damned ignorant.