so disappointed in my kids' Dr

a reply to: Skid Mark

He's an amazing man.... And I really don't think ill of him at all. I was just disappointed. He loves the children he cares for more than I have ever seen in a dr! And his wife has to be a saint too! I know that he has left in the middle of story time with his kids, to meet a sick child at the office after hours.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: chelsdh

I can understand the doctors reticence, firstly, there are side effects to any drug (MJ included). Secondly, a single positive account does not indicate that everyone will have the same success. Thirdly, he is a pediatric doctor, do you think it would be wise to give cannabis products to children?

He's just being cautious, probably very interested but does not want to give the wrong impression that he's all for medical use of a drug that is still a prohibited substance, legally.

They do in fact treat seizures in children with cannabis and its the only thing found to work.

www.cnn.com...
It's in oil form and it doesn't get you high.

There are many strains created for many different things not all get the patient stoned.

The VA and army are even doing research on it and using it to treat ptsd.

a reply to: chelsdh
Don't give up on him then. He sounds like he would be open minded enough to learn more of something he'd been ignorant about. Also, good for you for considering medical cannabis.

Docs just aren't educated in anything even partially out of the mainstream unless they take it upon themselves, and they've been taught to treat all the alt stuff as ignorant quackery... even the alternative medicines with science and experience behind them, like nutrition, vitamins and cannabis, get no mention in med school... at all.

So the doc has to take the time and effort to teach themselves something they suspect is bunk in the first place... it's a rare doc who does. Maybe you can do the legwork for him as he seems like a peach, otherwise.

Hopefully he so busy going above and beyond helping his patients that he hasn't done his research or up to date research on this yet.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: chelsdh

I can understand the doctors reticence, firstly, there are side effects to any drug (MJ included). Secondly, a single positive account does not indicate that everyone will have the same success. Thirdly, he is a pediatric doctor, do you think it would be wise to give cannabis products to children?

He's just being cautious, probably very interested but does not want to give the wrong impression that he's all for medical use of a drug that is still a prohibited substance, legally.

They do in fact treat seizures in children with cannabis and its the only thing found to work.

www.cnn.com...
It's in oil form and it doesn't get you high.

There are many strains created for many different things not all get the patient stoned.

The VA and army are even doing research on it and using it to treat ptsd.

There are about 26 different anti-epileptic drugs. They all work, to some extent, and are prescribed based upon the particular symptoms exhibited. About 70% of all seizures can be completely controlled by these existing drugs, but nothing's perfect.

Yes, the cannabis oil used for medical purposes is low in THC and isn't likely to get anyone high, but that isn't the only effect of marijuana.

MJ has been strongly linked with fetal brain abnormalities and with some psychoses. It can cause abnormal cell division which may lead to a higher instance of mutations like cancer and particularly, in children, leukemia. It has been shown to affect memory. It has also been shown that in quite small doses it affects sperm cells (it can even cause temporary sterility) and disrupts normal menstrual cycles. All these effects may be high THC results but we really don't know the thresholds that causes the side-effects.

Cannabis is a drug and to be effective, it must have effects (both desired and not). It is wise to proceed with caution and not treat it as a 'magic bullet' cure.

Despite what you may have deduced from the CNN article, it is not always effective in treatment of seizures and may be less effective than current medications. There is still much research ongoing.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: chelsdh

I can understand the doctors reticence, firstly, there are side effects to any drug (MJ included). Secondly, a single positive account does not indicate that everyone will have the same success. Thirdly, he is a pediatric doctor, do you think it would be wise to give cannabis products to children?

He's just being cautious, probably very interested but does not want to give the wrong impression that he's all for medical use of a drug that is still a prohibited substance, legally.

They do in fact treat seizures in children with cannabis and its the only thing found to work.

www.cnn.com...
It's in oil form and it doesn't get you high.

There are many strains created for many different things not all get the patient stoned.

The VA and army are even doing research on it and using it to treat ptsd.

There are about 26 different anti-epileptic drugs. They all work, to some extent, and are prescribed based upon the particular symptoms exhibited. About 70% of all seizures can be completely controlled by these existing drugs, but nothing's perfect.

Yes, the cannabis oil used for medical purposes is low in THC and isn't likely to get anyone high, but that isn't the only effect of marijuana.

MJ has been strongly linked with fetal brain abnormalities and with some psychoses. It can cause abnormal cell division which may lead to a higher instance of mutations like cancer and particularly, in children, leukemia. It has been shown to affect memory. It has also been shown that in quite small doses it affects sperm cells (it can even cause temporary sterility) and disrupts normal menstrual cycles. All these effects may be high THC results but we really don't know the thresholds that causes the side-effects.

Cannabis is a drug and to be effective, it must have effects (both desired and not). It is wise to proceed with caution and not treat it as a 'magic bullet' cure.

Despite what you may have deduced from the CNN article, it is not always effective in treatment of seizures and may be less effective than current medications. There is still much research ongoing.

First off its not the CNN article I am going by. There is also now strains of cannabis with close to zero thc.

Second never said its a magic bullet or not dangerous. However if you judge the side effects compaired to many medications including what they do to organs like your liver the effects of marijuana are rather benign.

Marijuana has a major obstacle most pharmaceuticals do not which is you can't study it without excessive permitting. It also has the stigma of a street drug and is more often than not unfairly judged compaired to the side effects of pharmaceuticals.

Since these studies have been very difficult to do many of them are uncleanly referenced in studies. For instance studying marijuana effects on fetal brain growth, where often there is no control and the parent was consuming other drugs as well.

My sister in law is actually worked on the VA study and completely changed her mind about the substance. Maybe not relevant.

For certain types of epilepsy it has been found to be the only substance effective vs the side effects.

I think it says a lot that you can't OD on marijuana in the "traditional" sense.

I do realize it's not a magic bullet but you would be hard pressed to find a drug with less side effects. It's effectiveness is a different story of various things bit the side effects you speak of are most commonly greatly exaggerated by an agenda or uncleanly referenced where there was no controls in an actual experiment.

I would love for there to be more research but its still classified as having no medical use and illegal by the goverent. That was the biggest complaint my sister in law had in the study, it was an extremely time consuming process to get the permit and it set the research back unnecessarily.

I get your point but there is a reason more research has not been done. There is also a reason many many medical professionals have accepted its use.

I would love for you to reference your studies because I have read through most of them myself and found them to be incredibly unscientific and extremely biased.

I had looked at marijuana very seriously for treating glaucoma and found it was just too much a hastle to put eyedrops in 8 times a day however, the medications make sick so its still a consideration. I was absolutely shocked when I dug deeper how the studies were conducted and then presented as fact. Most of the studies I have seen lately with actual marijuana do not show much of what your talking about aside from the short term memory loss which many drugs create.

The long and skinny from me is I call bs on about 75 percent of these studies until very recently. I can find just as many that say for instance marijuana does not create cancer but actually slows tumor growth or stops it. That study was done in a lab. I am extremely skeptical of moat research including the pros of marijuana until I read how the study was actually conducted.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: chelsdh

I can understand the doctors reticence, firstly, there are side effects to any drug (MJ included). Secondly, a single positive account does not indicate that everyone will have the same success. Thirdly, he is a pediatric doctor, do you think it would be wise to give cannabis products to children?

He's just being cautious, probably very interested but does not want to give the wrong impression that he's all for medical use of a drug that is still a prohibited substance, legally.

They do in fact treat seizures in children with cannabis and its the only thing found to work.

www.cnn.com...
It's in oil form and it doesn't get you high.

There are many strains created for many different things not all get the patient stoned.

The VA and army are even doing research on it and using it to treat ptsd.

There are about 26 different anti-epileptic drugs. They all work, to some extent, and are prescribed based upon the particular symptoms exhibited. About 70% of all seizures can be completely controlled by these existing drugs, but nothing's perfect.

Yes, the cannabis oil used for medical purposes is low in THC and isn't likely to get anyone high, but that isn't the only effect of marijuana.

MJ has been strongly linked with fetal brain abnormalities and with some psychoses. It can cause abnormal cell division which may lead to a higher instance of mutations like cancer and particularly, in children, leukemia. It has been shown to affect memory. It has also been shown that in quite small doses it affects sperm cells (it can even cause temporary sterility) and disrupts normal menstrual cycles. All these effects may be high THC results but we really don't know the thresholds that causes the side-effects.

Cannabis is a drug and to be effective, it must have effects (both desired and not). It is wise to proceed with caution and not treat it as a 'magic bullet' cure.

Despite what you may have deduced from the CNN article, it is not always effective in treatment of seizures and may be less effective than current medications. There is still much research ongoing.

First off its not the CNN article I am going by. There is also now strains of cannabis with close to zero thc.

Second never said its a magic bullet or not dangerous. However if you judge the side effects compaired to many medications including what they do to organs like your liver the effects of marijuana are rather benign.

Marijuana has a major obstacle most pharmaceuticals do not which is you can't study it without excessive permitting. It also has the stigma of a street drug and is more often than not unfairly judged compaired to the side effects of pharmaceuticals.

Since these studies have been very difficult to do many of them are uncleanly referenced in studies. For instance studying marijuana effects on fetal brain growth, where often there is no control and the parent was consuming other drugs as well.

My sister in law is actually worked on the VA study and completely changed her mind about the substance. Maybe not relevant.

For certain types of epilepsy it has been found to be the only substance effective vs the side effects.

I think it says a lot that you can't OD on marijuana in the "traditional" sense.

I do realize it's not a magic bullet but you would be hard pressed to find a drug with less side effects. It's effectiveness is a different story of various things bit the side effects you speak of are most commonly greatly exaggerated by an agenda or uncleanly referenced where there was no controls in an actual experiment.

I would love for there to be more research but its still classified as having no medical use and illegal by the goverent. That was the biggest complaint my sister in law had in the study, it was an extremely time consuming process to get the permit and it set the research back unnecessarily.

I get your point but there is a reason more research has not been done. There is also a reason many many medical professionals have accepted its use.

I would love for you to reference your studies because I have read through most of them myself and found them to be incredibly unscientific and extremely biased.

I had looked at marijuana very seriously for treating glaucoma and found it was just too much a hastle to put eyedrops in 8 times a day however, the medications make sick so its still a consideration. I was absolutely shocked when I dug deeper how the studies were conducted and then presented as fact. Most of the studies I have seen lately with actual marijuana do not show much of what your talking about aside from the short term memory loss which many drugs create.

The long and skinny from me is I call bs on about 75 percent of these studies until very recently. I can find just as many that say for instance marijuana does not create cancer but actually slows tumor growth or stops it. That study was done in a lab. I am extremely skeptical of moat research including the pros of marijuana until I read how the study was actually conducted.

Yours does sound like a balanced and reasonable approach.

I personally think that we have a pharmacopoeia of natural cures available to us that for many reasons, we are not taking advantage of.

I think the first step is to decriminalize many drugs and allow supply under prescription. That removes the "black economy" of drugs cut with all sorts of contaminants as well as allowing controlled relief from dependency. Once there is no profit for the criminals, there is room for research and adequate evaluation.

I personally have just had some Hemp Seed oil, partly because, due to this article, I remembered that I had it and partly for the lolz of being able to do so. It is entirely legal here in GodZone (sucks to be an American, methinks).

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: chelsdh

I can understand the doctors reticence, firstly, there are side effects to any drug (MJ included). Secondly, a single positive account does not indicate that everyone will have the same success. Thirdly, he is a pediatric doctor, do you think it would be wise to give cannabis products to children?

He's just being cautious, probably very interested but does not want to give the wrong impression that he's all for medical use of a drug that is still a prohibited substance, legally.

They do in fact treat seizures in children with cannabis and its the only thing found to work.

www.cnn.com...
It's in oil form and it doesn't get you high.

There are many strains created for many different things not all get the patient stoned.

The VA and army are even doing research on it and using it to treat ptsd.

There are about 26 different anti-epileptic drugs. They all work, to some extent, and are prescribed based upon the particular symptoms exhibited. About 70% of all seizures can be completely controlled by these existing drugs, but nothing's perfect.

Yes, the cannabis oil used for medical purposes is low in THC and isn't likely to get anyone high, but that isn't the only effect of marijuana.

MJ has been strongly linked with fetal brain abnormalities and with some psychoses. It can cause abnormal cell division which may lead to a higher instance of mutations like cancer and particularly, in children, leukemia. It has been shown to affect memory. It has also been shown that in quite small doses it affects sperm cells (it can even cause temporary sterility) and disrupts normal menstrual cycles. All these effects may be high THC results but we really don't know the thresholds that causes the side-effects.

Cannabis is a drug and to be effective, it must have effects (both desired and not). It is wise to proceed with caution and not treat it as a 'magic bullet' cure.

Despite what you may have deduced from the CNN article, it is not always effective in treatment of seizures and may be less effective than current medications. There is still much research ongoing.

First off its not the CNN article I am going by. There is also now strains of cannabis with close to zero thc.

Second never said its a magic bullet or not dangerous. However if you judge the side effects compaired to many medications including what they do to organs like your liver the effects of marijuana are rather benign.

Marijuana has a major obstacle most pharmaceuticals do not which is you can't study it without excessive permitting. It also has the stigma of a street drug and is more often than not unfairly judged compaired to the side effects of pharmaceuticals.

Since these studies have been very difficult to do many of them are uncleanly referenced in studies. For instance studying marijuana effects on fetal brain growth, where often there is no control and the parent was consuming other drugs as well.

My sister in law is actually worked on the VA study and completely changed her mind about the substance. Maybe not relevant.

For certain types of epilepsy it has been found to be the only substance effective vs the side effects.

I think it says a lot that you can't OD on marijuana in the "traditional" sense.

I do realize it's not a magic bullet but you would be hard pressed to find a drug with less side effects. It's effectiveness is a different story of various things bit the side effects you speak of are most commonly greatly exaggerated by an agenda or uncleanly referenced where there was no controls in an actual experiment.

I would love for there to be more research but its still classified as having no medical use and illegal by the goverent. That was the biggest complaint my sister in law had in the study, it was an extremely time consuming process to get the permit and it set the research back unnecessarily.

I get your point but there is a reason more research has not been done. There is also a reason many many medical professionals have accepted its use.

I would love for you to reference your studies because I have read through most of them myself and found them to be incredibly unscientific and extremely biased.

I had looked at marijuana very seriously for treating glaucoma and found it was just too much a hastle to put eyedrops in 8 times a day however, the medications make sick so its still a consideration. I was absolutely shocked when I dug deeper how the studies were conducted and then presented as fact. Most of the studies I have seen lately with actual marijuana do not show much of what your talking about aside from the short term memory loss which many drugs create.

The long and skinny from me is I call bs on about 75 percent of these studies until very recently. I can find just as many that say for instance marijuana does not create cancer but actually slows tumor growth or stops it. That study was done in a lab. I am extremely skeptical of moat research including the pros of marijuana until I read how the study was actually conducted.

Yours does sound like a balanced and reasonable approach.

I personally think that we have a pharmacopoeia of natural cures available to us that for many reasons, we are not taking advantage of.

I think the first step is to decriminalize many drugs and allow supply under prescription. That removes the "black economy" of drugs cut with all sorts of contaminants as well as allowing controlled relief from dependency. Once there is no profit for the criminals, there is room for research and adequate evaluation.

I personally have just had some Hemp Seed oil, partly because, due to this article, I remembered that I had it and partly for the lolz of being able to do so. It is entirely legal here in GodZone (sucks to be an American, methinks).

Sorry for the rant I have been disgusted lately by "studies" of all kinds. The news reports something or even a medical publication like psychology today as an amazing new finding and when you read the actual study its either too small a sample base to make such a claim or the controls were extremely loose.

Yeah drugs should be decriminalized for the user and controlled. Treated as a public health issue and emphasize treatment.


But I guess that doesn't make as much money as prisons and pharmaceuticals.

This mysterious herione epedemic was created by pharmaceutical opiates. Yet nobody goes to jail for it.

a reply to: chelsdh
Pot is not going to magically heal anything except headaches "can also cause them...it does in me at times" and in a rub form it is very good for joint pain....other than that? Nope. Bet money I can find old adds that touted the benifits of smoking cigs too....Im a smoker "of pot" but I will never fool myself into thinking it is healthy for me in ANY way.

originally posted by: odinsway
a reply to: chelsdh
Pot is not going to magically heal anything except headaches "can also cause them...it does in me at times" and in a rub form it is very good for joint pain....other than that? Nope. Bet money I can find old adds that touted the benifits of smoking cigs too....Im a smoker "of pot" but I will never fool myself into thinking it is healthy for me in ANY way.

Then you clearly don't understand the endocannabinoid system. I suggest doing a bit of research before making absolutist declarations about a topic you haven't even bothered to learn about. To be fair, you're correct that it doesn't "magically" heal anything, but it can, through scientifically understood mechanisms, treat certain conditions very successfully.

a reply to: luthier
You are correct, in that the side effects of MJ are so far fewer than pharmaceuticals, and not being able to "od". And, like you, I don't believe the "studies" of the past hold any credence. I remember being taught that MJ kills brain cells and makes one dumber.... Citing an experiment done with monkeys. What they didn't tell us in DARE is that these monkey were hooked up to receive only the smoke from the MJ, totally cutting out oxygen. Of course that will kill brain cells! And that's just a small example.

My condition, which I have made two threads concerning, has no substantial treatment options.... Aside from cutting me open, draining wounds and stuffing me full of antibiotics. I have been on the poison Accutane, which did nothing, and possibly aggravated it. I've tried many natural remedies, diets, supplements. While some things offered some relief, the oil allowed me a miraculous change.

I think it's insane that the medical establishment is totally ok with me taking Accutane (which lists suicide as a possible side effect) but not cannabis oil.

But here's the thing, I'd MUCH prefer to experiment with the strains of low THC stuff, cause I have no use for being high. I don't enjoy it, it aggravates my anxiety.

And for the person saying cannabis has no value, I can only assume you are joking. That's all I can say.

a reply to: chelsdh

Think yourself lucky you never got this doctor

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