Political Correctness is Going to Destroy US

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Most people in the right do not have an issue with "Happy Holidays".

They have an issue with being forced to use that and not be able to say "Merry Christmas"

Nice try though.

originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist

Any reasonable English-speaking person knows when I say "the mosquitoes are biting me" I do not mean every single mosquito on Earth is biting me simultaneously. If I wanted to make such an absurd claim, I could easily place the word 'all' in front of the word 'mosquitoes.'

Here is why your example doesn't work: we all know that ALL mosquitoes bite. If it's alive, it's gonna bite. So it doesn't matter if you only want to single out some mosquitoes - they all bite anyway.

Not ALL immigrants are raping our women, so it is important to single out only the ones that do, rather than make a broad statement that implies any immigrant that gets close to a woman is going to promptly rape her.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Okay, I understand what you meant now (I think). So what you really meant was the term "Happy Holidays" is the politically incorrect term, correct?

Okay, fine, but to my earlier point; no one is going to be fired from their job for saying Merry Christmas in lieu of Happy Holidays. Big difference.

originally posted by: TerminalVelocity
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Most people in the right do not have an issue with "Happy Holidays".

They have an issue with being forced to use that and not be able to say "Merry Christmas"

Nice try though.

And this is why the political correctness conversation will never be anything more than a conservative whine-fest. Y'all can't recognize when you do it too. Oh well, have fun complaining about "PC destroying the country". I tried to offer a perspective to get you think about things, but I guess you aren't ready to do so. It must suck to be miserable all the time.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

You asked for an example of the right doing it too. I provided it. Now you are trying to move the goal posts on me.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No one on the right forbids anyone to say Happy Holidays.

PC people however do forbid the use of Merry Christmas in places.


Again: nice try, but you're REALLY stretching it to try and prove something that's not really true.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No, I don't disagree with what you said. I just wanted to make sure I understood it.

I think in this case it comes down to a matter of degree.

Remember, my whole earlier point was that PC has gone from something to make people feel better into being used as a weapon. Hence my example.

a reply to: TerminalVelocity

Exactly.

That's what I was trying to say.

Thank you.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

PC does have the potential to destroy the country, and I will agree that it tends to come from the left, but what I meant was that it is something used by the government - which constitutes both left and right - to further their own ends (or rather, the ends of the corporations who own them. PC is a distractor, but it is still one which may become a genuine problem if left unchecked.)

However, what I meant in particular by the "right" "abusing" it isn't so much that they try to censor things with it, they use it like Trump does and try to play off being an asshole as "fighting against the PC threat." What that does is create more partisanship. More partisanship makes people angrier, and blinds them to the truth.

The left is simply providing the problem this time. In the past, it was the "right" (with the Iraq war). Today, it is the "left" with "PC censorship." They are intentionally creating something for us to bicker about.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Krazysh0t

No, I don't disagree with what you said. I just wanted to make sure I understood it.

I think in this case it comes down to a matter of degree.

Remember, my whole earlier point was that PC has gone from something to make people feel better into being used as a weapon. Hence my example.

But you are stereotyping right now. You are saying that all left inspired political correctness results in it being used as a weapon but not so much on the right. That isn't true of either case. For one, I only named one instance of right wing political correctness. For two, most complaints about left wing political correctness are blown WAY out of proportion.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

That's great and all, but there really IS something called right wing political correctness. It is often abbreviated as conservative correctness.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You are correct, I am stereotyping.

Intentionally so.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Correct. I did not say that right wing PC did not exist. It's just that the commonly perceived instances of PC are, however, from the left, and it is traditionally the right that "fights" against it. (Usually by being an asshole, a-la DT.)

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Well stereotyping only leads to misunderstandings on the stereotypers part.

For instance, the very idea that PC is detrimental to the health of our country is a ridiculous notion, because it surmises that PC only comes from one side of the partisan debate (which I've just shown to be untrue). It also assumes that PC is driving government policy by interchanging business decisions with government policy. Being fired for being politically incorrect has nothing to do with the government or your right to free speech.

This is why I have a short patience for these threads now. It's only a matter of time before I'm going to be insulted for trying to provide a balanced view of the situation and I'm not going to convince many anyways. These threads, in my eyes, are just an excuse for conservatives to complain that society is leaving them behind.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Now that's funny!!

All of the terms in your linked list are not terms the right has an issue with, but rather the left. The right doesn't demand one term over the other. On the contrary, the left are the ones who are coining the terms and then trying to make something out of them, trying to restrict and/or redirect conversations using their politically correct interpretation of a concept and then putting their name to them.

Your whole argument just lost all credibility with that link!!

That one didn't help you out at all.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

I hate following the commonly perceived instances of things because they are usually wrong and based on stereotypes derived from anecdotes.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

And now you've proven my point from the post I just typed you. Thanks for demonstrating that you weren't looking to look at this in a balanced perspective.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

We're talking about an issue formulated from society. The common perception is paramount. People view PC as originating from the left, so it is important to take that into account. As FCD is saying, it has become a weapon. A weapon indeed used by BOTH sides, but public opinion holds it as being mostly exclusive to the left. Thus, the right attacks it, like the left attacked the war. Ultimately, we still went to war. Ultimately, PC is still used in absurd fashion. Thus, the cycle continues.

a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

I do tend to agree with you on this front.

I do think the right uses the political correctness argument to their advantage sometimes, perhaps too often from a political perspective. That said, they're being provided all the ammo they need for free by the left.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

And they, in turn, provide the ammunition right back, saying "we fight against PC!" in situations where they're just being bell ends. It's a terrible symbiosis.

Still, perhaps we should not use "left" and "right." Instead, "DNC" and "GOP." Both, indeed, are terrible.
Fake left.
Fake right.