Sanders and Wife Steered Campaign, Nonprofit Money to Family and Friends

originally posted by: matafuchs
None of you read about the Non-Profit and what they did there, have you? All of the posts are referring to how it is ok to pay family. I am not saying that it is not legal to do that. I am simply pointing out that he is running on a platform of being the regular guy and not a career politician and someone who can make a difference but he is not. He is the same old part of the establishment use my elected office to gain for my family. Politicians like that make me sick but it seems ok in your eyes. Fine.

But the school that is the NOn-Profit that was used to funnel funds and take out loans that caused millions in losses to other organizations that they were associated with and used shows that they are a family that is corrupt. I would never vote for someone who presents one face and does something else.

As far as MysticShrooms attempt to say

Yeah, I thought it was called: Staff.

Everyone does it. Hell, Trump uses his own products for his own campaign, one could argue one's own companies/products being bought with campaign money is not really different than hiring friends and relatives.

The difference is Trump is not using campaign money. He is using his own. If he was using campaign money from donations for a private jet I would think it was a misuse of funds also.

Call it what you want, an old smear piece,etc, but what she along with him was fraud. She came away with 200,000 dollars in illegally obtained funds.

www.redstate.com...

Well since we're just stating opinions here. I feel Trump is possibly using government subsidies, "Corporate Welfare", to pay for his campaign.

First, we’d have never heard of Donald Trump if he hadn’t inherited the $250 million fortune his father built off government-subsidized housing. But the Times points out that his first big Manhattan deal was to renovate the Hyatt at Grand Central Station. For that project, he got a forty-year fullproperty-tax incentive, which cost taxpayers $60 million (presumably not adjusted for inflation) in the first ten years alone, according to the paper.

Link

It must be true because its on the internet.

BTW

Here's the old thread from Aug, 2015

Bernie Sanders Used Campaign Donations to Pay Family Members Over $150,000

This thread really should be closed.


here's my reply on that thread.



www.abovetopsecret.com...

so for the wife. $61K of that was pass thru.
And she earned some $30k.

The daughter earned $65k over 4 years?

A corruption scandal this does not make.

I doubt even Faux News would make a stink over this.


Since 2000, Sanders has used campaign donations to pay his wife and stepdaughter more than $150,000, according to records filed with the Federal Election Commission.

His wife Jane O’Meara Sanders received $91,020 for “consultation” and to negotiate the purchase of television and radio ads. Approximately $61,000 of that was “pass through” money used to pay for the ads, O’Meara Sanders told the Bennington Banner. She kept about $30,000 as pay for her services.

Her daughter Carina Driscoll, Sanders’ stepdaughter, earned $65,002 from the Sanders campaign between 2000 and 2004, records show.

originally posted by: matafuchs
The difference is Trump is not using campaign money. He is using his own. If he was using campaign money from donations for a private jet I would think it was a misuse of funds also.

Call it what you want, an old smear piece,etc, but what she along with him was fraud. She came away with 200,000 dollars in illegally obtained funds.

www.redstate.com...

Donald Trumps campaign is run off of donations. When he goes to a rally he takes a private jet he owns, paid for by his campaign. When he speaks it's at a venue he owns, paid for by his campaign. Trump is paying himself out of his campaign. Literally his entire campaign is built off of using his businesses.

And no, that's nothing like what Bernie is doing, because you are allowed to hire whoever you want in your campaign. In this case he hired his family and he paid them very low amounts of money. This wasn't funneling a lot of money to his family, it was getting below market wage labor thanks to a friends and family discount.

a reply to: Aazadan

The 200,000 I am referring to is what she cleared from a loan that defaulted that was obtained by her and Bernie lying about funds. Loan Fraud. Just shows that no one wants to take the time to read the article.

a reply to: grey580

No, it is not the same. That thread did not discuss loan fraud from a Non-profit. I guess it is ok for Bernie to use the system but not like Trump did when he filed for protective bankruptcy(Chapter 11) not liquidation.

a reply to: jellyrev

Hey there jellyrev! Just to note that the $15/hr minimum wage the way that Sanders is proposing it to be implemented would be incremental increases over the course of several years. So not only is he actually paying interns (interns don't usually get paid) but he is walking that walk. $12/hr right now is completely in line with his $15/hr minimum wage proposal.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Aazadan

The 200,000 I am referring to is what she cleared from a loan that defaulted that was obtained by her and Bernie lying about funds. Loan Fraud. Just shows that no one wants to take the time to read the article.

That was covered earlier in the thread. There were several levels of state oversight to that loan, as well as the bank, and the seller. Everyone agreed it was a good deal. Things didn't work out though. That's not fraud, it's just a bad deal, with any business deals there's always a chance that things just don't go perfect.

As far as a redstate link goes let me give you some advice after reading this thread and your others. Don't be so quick to believe a website slanted towards telling you the news you want to hear. Look at what the people directly opposite that are saying, and which points even they have to concede because that's how you'll learn the truth.

a reply to: Aazadan

I don't need advice and you should not put on blinders to any media outlet. Is Bloomberg a good enough outlet for you?

www.bloomberg.com...

Or Vanity Fair?

www.vanityfair.com...

or how about a local paper?

www.wcax.com...

It was not a deal gone bad. Sorry, if you do not know how these things operate no big deal but I do. I know people locally and where I grew up who worked the system in the same way his wife did who were either married to or where in political positions including mayors, state house, senate,etc. It is one thing to help out those who got you elected but it is something entirely different to commit fraud. Just because there are no charges does not mean it did not happen.

a reply to: matafuchs

Considering most people read your posts and believe you have zero credibility, you might want to take the advice, or you might not, it's up to you. Don't expect to convert anyone to your beliefs if you're not putting forward a strong argument though.

Your Bloomberg link doesn't work, your Vanity Fair link says much the same thing as was already posted in this thread.

The local news link you posted doesn't go into much detail.

a reply to: matafuchs

Rather than sitting around whining and attempting with all your might to deflect any/every post and sticking to the "fraud," angle - why don't you do something about it?

Why don't you file a lawsuit against the Sanders family for fraud?

If it is so easy and plain-cut as you make it out to be, and they "got away with," $200k from fraud - you should have a very, very, very easy to make in a court case.

Have you ever heard of William of Occam? Occam's Razor? "The possibility with the least amount of assumptions is typically the correct one."

There were no charges brought up, because the real estate "scandal," is much, much more complex than "the Sanders family committing fraud," thus - there have been no legal precedents because the fault does not solely lie at one or two peoples feet.

Yes - I've read the articles, and how many times does it have to be mentioned?

It's already been posted.
It's already been discussed.

There have been and will be no lawsuits - and if you feel so compelled to believe differently, please - take it to the Supreme Court.

Telling a bunch of random strangers on the Internet that "they don't get it," and honestly the most ironic comment you of all people could ever make:

"No one wants to take the time to read the article."

You mean like, yourself? 4 out of 10 people is the equivalence of 18,000,000 - and now this crap?

No one takes the time to see if the thread they're about to make has already been discussed, and can't even use a search function that takes less than fifteen seconds (on mobile) to indeed see that yes - THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN POSTED AND DISCUSSED.

a reply to: matafuchs

Metafuchs, another quote.

"Arguing with you is like trying to play chess with a pigeon. No matter how well thought-out and strategic my moves are, you'll just jump up, knock over all the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like you're the winner."

Tons of people have tried to explain what this stupid piece you've posted means, but you just can't seem to grasp it can you? You cling to terms like "non-profit," assuming that anyone that makes money from a "non-profit" is racketeering or something. People who work for non-profits STILL draw a paycheck from it. Non-profit doesn't mean "All volunteers." Hiring people that would do a good job working for your campaign for a far lower wage than a suitable candidate from outside your family isn't "funnelling money to your family" it actually points out how WELL he was using the funds from his campaign.

But all you keep doing is just spouting crap that makes no sense, while accusing other people of not reading the article. If you read the article you certainly didn't "understand" the article.

Besides looking a bit mentally unstable, Bernie Sanders is a loud mouth liar and a fraud. Its amusing watching all the dumbfounded fools continue to worship this charlatan. ~$heopleNation

a reply to: Aazadan

Considering most people believe I have zero credibility? I guess you are referring to the people who like to trash anyone who is not in line with their political views. I am not trying to convert anyone either.

I am simply posting to this site, a public non-partisan conspiracy laden website, posts that I want to share. I always find it funny when someone posting says that site is garbage or some such when you are posting to a site that if you quoted it to many people would tell you to keep the tin foil hat on.

This site is however, filled with not trolls but ATSNN 'bullies' who will not only gang up on a poster till they scurry away but also get mods involved and have other mods warn them while the anti OP keeps on attacking.

So no, I am not up at night hoping for more flags or stars or friends. I am simply posting what concerns me and in this case, it is the fact that Sanders, in my eyes, let me down with this reported impropriety.

Have a great weekend.

a reply to: RomeByFire

Man, a lot of hate there. Please continue to follow my threads and provide your attempts to derail. There are those on here like also like to read you defending your ideals.

I stand by the fact that they used a non-profit to screw people by lying on a loan application. A non-profit is not designed to not make money. I know that. I have 100's of them as clients.

However, they are very well used by dirt bags like this to not pay taxes, set up a company ,take out loans and then default and leave. All while paying no property, sales or income taxes. Welcome to the real world....

a reply to: matafuchs


I'm just going to assume you're mentally incapable of actually reading what the article really said and drawing the appropriate conclusions, because it almost seems like you're intentionally ignoring people trying to explain it to you. Honestly, you sound like you're trolling at this point. Nobody is "Defending their ideals" in this thread, nobody is just blindly saying "but bernie couldn't have done this!" we're literally just saying "no, this article is misleading, and nothing in it is in any way indicative of wrongdoing."

"I stand by the fact that they used a non-profit to screw people by lying on a loan application"

Not even remotely a fact. The loan was for the College that she was president of at the time (Burlington College) and had nothing to do with his campaign. Burlington college is not a non-profit in the slightest. You're taking two completely unrelated parts of the article and combining them together.

In your defense, this article does seem to have been written specifically to encourage people to draw the wrong conclusions if they don't actually pay attention to the facts presented in the article, so unless you're trolling please try to read between the lines in this article.

a reply to: Slanter

Why again the personal attacks? I feel you are all mentally capable to read it but are coming to a conclusion that does not make The Bern and his family look bad.

What part about LYING for a loan with Bernie backing it up do you not get? Are all of you ok with lying to a Federal Institution ( a bank) for your own gain? Based on her lies, the school was almost bankrupt. Sanders blames the loan process for approving it but it was her overstatement that allowed it through.

One way in which fraud occurs, is when a borrower (in this case, the college) acquires ownership of real property under false pretenses— such as misrepresented income and asset information on a loan application. That is exactly what happened.

Also included is the fact that money was funded to a resort that was owned by a family friend based on his wife's position at the school and 500k to his step daughter for another school she co-founded. Payments stopped when his wife left the school.

His wife got a 'golden parachute' payment of 200k when she left. The very thing that he rallies against in his speeches.

originally posted by: SheopleNation
Besides looking a bit mentally unstable, Bernie Sanders is a loud mouth liar and a fraud. Its amusing watching all the dumbfounded fools continue to worship this charlatan. ~$heopleNation

Guess we will just have to take your word for it, since you have zero proof and no sources.

a reply to: amicktd

There are plenty of sources, just not the sources you want to hear from. Soon the liberal loon media won't even be able to ignore the truth about delusional Bernie and his shady wife. No worries, more to come soon. ~$heopleNation

a reply to: matafuchs

Are you trying to convince others or yourselves? We all know how you feel about it, continually repeating yourself doesn't make us "get it," and you are the one throwing around attacks. "You all should be mentally capable," and seriously, man, take it with up the courts if this an open-and-closed of fraud.

After all, you have hundreds of clients (position of authority logical fallacy), so you shouldn't have any problem. You do realize that there was a thread written - just about this - months ago?

Why didn't you bother searching - realizing it's already been posted - yet still posting it? Go take it up with courts, or take it up in the thread already posted that's already discussed this.

There's nothing new here, and you may have found a "blockbuster scandal of the Sanders campaign," but the FACT - that this is largely being recycled on blogs/conspiracy websites and not being covered/reported by anyone pushing for legal measures - you'd assume those that who were "robbed," of "six-figure," sums would have come forward by now, yes?

You're whining that "we," or some "group," is joining up and "attacking," you, for your "sources," for "ignoring," this - re-read your own posts, you shuffle the blame around from everyone in order to defend your point - no matter what other points are brought in to counter it.

Again - take it up with courts. Break this massive scandal and controversy to the American people regarding Bernie Sanders. Most people wouldn't surprised, and the rest - well, they'd (hopefully) expect something other than obscure articles on blog websites found on the Internet.

originally posted by: SheopleNation
a reply to: amicktd

There are plenty of sources, just not the sources you want to hear from. Soon the liberal loon media won't even be able to ignore the truth about delusional Bernie and his shady wife. No worries, more to come soon. ~$heopleNation

Coming from the guy who uses the term "Sheople," with a $, and considering you've made threads regarding Nibiru - hahah.

You still believe in Planet X?

You should read up on the T&C's, your post offers absolutely nothing to this post and is entirely off-topic.

Go troll somewhere else.