Disolve the BLM, return all lands under their management to Natives it was taken from

originally posted by: muse7
Why stop at just the BLM? Why not return the entire US to the natives? We stole the land from them.

People way back before America was a country cheated the natives by trading worthless glass beads for land. Glass and colored beads carved from other materials were used by native Americans for barter and trade long before that when those beads were more scarce and considered very valuable for their value of use in barter. like wooden coins were once used, even though they had no real worth as a material.

Then came those who saw a dishonest opportunity to cheat people by showing up with jars or even barrels of colored beads made overseas and they traded them for huge parcels of land. Not all the territories were bought this way, but they felt the deal was the deal. Then came bigger more powerful government and used force and murder to get what they wanted.

There was a time when a British military unit was used to murder millions of natives, or at least many thousands by offering blankets as gifts to some tribes of native Americans, which were infected with smallpox, which is my view one of the sickest things any man can ever do to anyone and the lowest of the low in betrayals, and I would not want to guess where their souls are currently, or the tortures they might be undergoing for their own eternal punishment.

There were probably American soldier units who did the same thing using infected things as a bioweapon just for personal gain back then as well.

There is nothing more disgusting or low than to pretend to be friends with someone and offer them infected gifts so they will carry an epidemic back to families, tribes, and whoever else was unlucky enough to die from those actions of diabolical deceits.

Just for that alone should be a severe and permanent ongoing penalty to governments who participated in it. Even to have government abolished and reformed from scratch for pretending it doesn't matter now, since government today is still benefitting from those deeds of old today.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Why does the federal government own so much land to begin with?

Perhaps for the same reason that the Vatican does.

Because they can.

These are crooks we're talking about here...

As some of you may or may not know, the “United Nations” thru a mandated program called “Agenda 21”, have been very active in accumulating various properties under the guise of the “World Heritage Foundation”. What the foundations have proposed under U.N. directive and the Agenda 21 outline is to protect various national, state, local and residential areas from further human access. They have over the past decade introduced this program in order to “Protect” lands, animals and water ways from any adverse effects of man.

These protected lands are taken from the control of the Bureau of Land Management and placed into the hands of private and some times nefarious groups or companies to protect. What has been transpiring from many of these allocations is the land is in fact no longer protected (as it was through state and local control) and is being used for corporate gains to individuals we know not who they are. Propaganda has been rampant to obtain by way of consent through locals area un-educated officials. These officials are either blind to the agenda or ignorant to our future. They are however allowing this national take over of our inherent parks and national lands.

Feds Use The BLM to Gain Control of Local Resources – U.N. AGENDA 21

The federal government is not authorized to own land. The Constitution restricts the feds to establishing “Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other Needful Buildings” and reserves for the States the right to own land. “Our Founding Fathers specifically restricted what land the Federal government could own,” explains the Constitutional Concepts Foundation. “Even then, the Federal government had to purchase the land from the State, with the approval of the State Legislature.

Oregon Occupation About Unconstitutional Federal Land Grab

Here’s the story the corporate media will not tell you. Dwight Hammond, 73 and son Steven Hamond, 46, were prosecuted and convicted as part of an effort to remove the Hammond family from their ranch land. The feds want to drive ranchers and private property owners off the land because on patented land (an exclusive private property land grant), which has passed into private ownership, a mining interest does not need to lease land or file a plan or notice with the federal government.

In regard to oil, the BLM “does not tell you that its share of total oil production has dropped dramatically due to substantial increases in oil production on private and state lands that are not subject to the onerous regulations and permitting delays of the federal government,” notes the Institute for Energy Research. The Hammonds and other private property owners stand in the way of total federal monopolization of natural resources and that is why in part we are witnessing an unprecedented land grab in the West.

Hammonds Targeted Because Government Wants to Steal Their Land

“Why should this be a problem for me?”, you might be asking yourself. Because this is the template being used by the Bureau of Land Mismanagement under orders from BAR members in black robes doing the bidding of the Crown/Vatican. It fulfills the directives of Agenda 21.

Source

How do you deal with the fact that many of the "States" in question didn't exist before they were organized by the Federal government as Territories ... and further, speaking of Oregon ... if you're going back through the "chain of title" ... you might want to consult the United Kingdom and France to see how they want to establish their interests ...

a reply to: DBCowboy

Hey, DB! A smart person asks questions.

As the nation spread westward, land that wasn't given to states or homesteaders (or a special piece kept for everyone, think Yellowstone, etc.) was kept under federal jurisdiction. Basically, if you take a look at the land out West, it became less attractive to individual ownership, being too rugged mountains or lacking suitable soil and water for farming.

Personally, I have seen so much beauty in all the states east of the Rockies, I've had the good fortune of seeing, but I still love all that land out here, even as inhospitable to humans as it can be. To me it's beautiful, and I'm glad I can be the only person in 400 sq miles at times, courtesy of federal land. Gave away my username origin haha

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: jaws1975
a reply to: introvert

Because unless it is privately-owned and privately-maintained, someone has to come in to take care of the land.

If the US government did not maintain many areas of land not privately-owned, wildfires would be a much bigger issue, animal populations would be unchecked and we potentially would have to deal with much bigger issues.

How did the Native American's manage to get along for thousands of years without the BLM, it's miraculous!

They lived with Nature, we exploit it. They managed the forests mostly letting them be. Only in their natural state can they remain healthy. Europeans came along and killed off the herds of Buffalo, cut down the forests, paved the landscape, built dams, roads, railways, cities, all choking the landscape and contributing to destruction of the environment, animal and fish habitat.

Mountain top removal to mine coal, mining for minerals, oil drilling, and today Fracking, a hideous portrait of whats called 'progress'.

But I digress…

The Natives of this land lived side by side with Nature, taking what they needed and never more than what they needed. They could never understand why the white man took more than he needed.

Thats crazy.

Quoted for truth!
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a reply to: desert

a reply to: Murgatroid


Thank you both for your answers.

It is something I have had absolutely no knowledge on whatsoever.

There appears to be a spectrum to the answers, but I honestly do appreciate them.

a reply to: intrptr

The Natives of this land lived side by side with Nature, taking what they needed and never more than what they needed. They could never understand why the white man took more than he needed.

Yeah, so did cavemen.

They would have advanced and raped the land like everyone else. Just because they didn't advance at the same rate or time as some parts of the world (and I don't think that has to do with them being "less than") doesn't mean they wouldn't have. Again, Native Americans are overly romanticized. You think if they figured out how to work less and eat better they wouldn't have mass agriculture? You think if they had agriculture and could easily feed everyone they wouldn't have started building bigger houses to accommodate all the people living longer and extra babies?

The Natives of this land lived side by side with Nature, taking what they needed and never more than what they needed. They could never understand why the white man took more than he needed.

Thats crazy.

That might be a bogus claim, otherwise they would not have sold any land to the Europeans for beads.

You seem to forget the obvious here, the thing staring at us all right in the face. if they genuinely thought the beads had worth (which they did) and genuinely thought no one could buy land, then they thought they were ripping off the Europeans did they not?
According to this logic they would have thought they were being mighty crafty, basically getting beads for nothing at all.
Silly Europeans hahaha we took all their beads *snicker*

a reply to: intrptr

While the National Parks system is still under the Department of the Interior (as is the BLM), the National Forests are indeed under the Department of Agriculture (1905), which does surprise people, as I guess we think of food crops instead of trees when we hear "agriculture".

a reply to: Domo1

They would have advanced and raped the land like everyone else.

They been living here for millennia before the Europeans landed and began killing them off right away with steel swords, musket ball and gunpowder, and white mans diseases. Beside the constant lies and promises broken (treaties) and forced reservations, genocide with small pox blankets, starvation, war with military and the intentional decimation of the Buffalo that sustained them.

This land was teeming with wildlife, healthy forests and huge diversity of game and habitat.

My go to about the European populations 'settling' this land is from the Matrix…

I love when people who have benefited from technology complain about technology on technological devices, as if one can have internet without mining copper for wire.

a reply to: Punisher75

Its not a bogus claim. Chief Redcloud ( i think) decided to go over to the white man, to adopt his ways, wear his clothes, move into their cities, get an education. Eventually he quit and went back to his people and told them, the white manis crazy, they charge each other for everything, rich men live in castles while people starve outside their front door with nothing to eat. They amass great fortunes, more than they could ever use, live inside boxes of wood, and lie, cheat and steal from each other with regular abandon.

Before this time period Native Americans had not been exposed to the concept of money, strong drink, or firearms, that made settling conflict impersonal.

Their battles (called counting coup) were mostly for show because killing, robbing and raping within their own community was frowned upon. Nobody went hungry or destitute in their tribal community.

I wish I had a link for all that, there were threads here once upon a time…

a reply to: Domo1

Before the Europeans came the First People were very long lived. They did not suffer most of the life shortening diseases of these foreigners. !20 years was not uncommon. Small pox devastated our people. Venereal disease was unheard of. These life shortening conditions were brought to this land it did not exist before then.

Of course my people suffered the The Marias Massacre I remember it because I was there. We have genetic memory which we all shared. We called it something different because we had no science to give it a name but when we come together in spiritual meetings we cry together because we all share the memory in our blood. This damage still persists like a racial PTSD. It effects how we act and think just as a soldier effected by combat.

Call it romantic if you like but for us it burns like it happened yesterday. I still can see my mother running with me across a field and a US soldier cutting her across her back with his sword, her falling on top of me and me being crushed by her body as she fell. I suffocated after screaming for what seemed like forever. I was born again in a near by tribe but would not speak until I was nearly 10.

Alcohol has had a terrible toll on us mainly because it for a time quiets these ghosts of the past for a while but does not shut them up completely. I don't know if returning our lands would resolve the impact of these horrors we have suffered but it might return some of our dignity.

originally posted by: Punisher75
I love when people who have benefited from technology complain about technology on technological devices, as if one can have internet without mining copper for wire.

They use light cable nowadays, Copper is needed for FMJ ammunition. Mining is destructive to the environment, so are bullets.

a reply to: intrptr

Nest you're going to tell us they had no idea of land ownership.

So let me get this straight, we give the native Americans the land back and then take away all modern technology and force them to live primitive lives in harmony with nature. Yeah that is a brilliant idea.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Punisher75

Its not a bogus claim. Chief Redcloud ( i think) decided to go over to the white man, to adopt his ways, wear his clothes, move into their cities, get an education. Eventually he quit and went back to his people and told them, the white manis crazy, they charge each other for everything, rich men live in castles while people starve outside their front door with nothing to eat. They amass great fortunes, more than they could ever use, live inside boxes of wood, and lie, cheat and steal from each other with regular abandon.

Before this time period Native Americans had not been exposed to the concept of money, strong drink, or firearms, that made settling conflict impersonal.

Their battles (called counting coup) were mostly for show because killing, robbing and raping within their own community was frowned upon. Nobody went hungry or destitute in their tribal community.

I wish I had a link for all that, there were threads here once upon a time…

The only thing you just told me was that a guy said...
"Hey look they got a bunch of stuff I want!"
Conformed in appearance to the populations took advantage of the education in the cities then decided to register democrat. LMAO

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Punisher75
I love when people who have benefited from technology complain about technology on technological devices, as if one can have internet without mining copper for wire.

They use light cable nowadays, Copper is needed for FMJ ammunition. Mining is destructive to the environment, so are bullets.

We never would have gotten to point B without going through point A.
Just say'n.

a reply to: machineintelligence

How much native American blood is necessary to get these visions? I have native American blood, I have no visions.

Native Americans are humans, we're all humans, we're all one from all around the world as homo sapiens. There's nothing magical and special about being native american.

originally posted by: machineintelligence
Problem solved in a righteous manner. It is all land that by rights belongs to the native tribes it was taken from am I right? The best way to resolve this issue is to return to the American native tribes all land currently under the so called Bureau of Land Management or BLM. It is the best most right solution in my view. The native tribes can once again be the ones to decide what is the best use of their ancestral lands.

Corporatism now is in control of the land under the management of the BLM. They work to advance corporatism not to care for the land. I think the native tribes could manage it far better if given the chance and the budget of the BLM for a transition period. What say you ATS members?

The American Natives had natives before them. That would be the Reptilians land. Only the Reptiles/Dinosaurs can dissolve the BLM.

The American Natives you speak of are busy with their corporate casinos on the reservation.