Let's Talk About Usama Bin Laden's FBI.gov Presence

Seeing many previous threads on ATS about what Bin Laden was and wasn't wanted for on FBI.gov, i felt a bit underwhelmed by the discussions that took place.

I decided to experiment a little with what's actually found on their website, and came across something i'm not sure i understand. Take a look, and maybe you ladies and gents can help me make sense of all this.

The obvious fact here to anyone who looks at it momentarily is that he is not outright wanted for the 9/11 attacks. What stuck out to me more is that his FBI poster is still active, while those who have been captured/deceased no longer have active wanted posters to view. I took some time digging around their website with reference to Bin Laden, James J. Bulger, and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed.

Here's the link to Bin Laden's deceased yet active poster - take note of the URL, and the fact that removing his name simply takes you to the recent top ten wanted list:

www.fbi.gov...

Bin Laden Active Deceased Poster

This URL comes up with a "page does not exist" for both of the other fugitives mentioned when their names are replaced with Bin Laden's, indicating to me that the FBI typically removes a wanted poster after the individual has been apprehended/deceased.

When searching Bulger's and Mohammed's name in their engine for more information, all you get are articles like these confirming the conclusion of the FBI's investigations. Again, no links to their posters can be found:

James 'Whitey' Bulger Captured

Fazul Abdullah Mohammed Killed In Somalia

Mohammed's Deceased Poster Snippet

By contrast, when you look at a similar article posted about Bin Laden (posted about two months prior to Bulger's), there's a direct link to his active poster in the bottom right summation of the article:

Most Wanted Terrorist Dead

It's also interesting to note that within this same article, they place the blame on the 9/11 attacks with his "organization" instead of himself:

"Intelligence agencies quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by bin Laden’s terrorist organization, and in October 2001, his name was added to the U.S. Department of State’s Most Wanted Terrorists List."

So, here are the questions i have in my mind as a result:

- Is it atypical that i cannot view any other apprehended/deceased fugitive posters in this same manner?

- Could there be evidence right under our noses that would create legal problems for the FBI if they were to close out the poster like they usually do?

- If i'm simply reading too much into this, why is there an explicit link to Bin Laden's poster in an article meant to conclude an investigation, while the same is not present for the other two mentioned fugitives?

- Is this meant to imply that he is 'still wanted?'

a reply to: facedye

I don't know about all that but please note the bottom of the page where it says updated November 2001, so he was dead then ?

a reply to: wildb

This cannot be the case, since i remember visiting this page prior to the news that he was killed, only to find that he was still actively being hunted down. The deceased status was certainly not there prior to 'the raid.'

as for why the date has not been updated since, i agree with you that it's out of place at the very least. there's a lot here that makes me scratch my head.

a reply to: facedye

I'll stick with with I learned years ago, he died in December 2001 from natural causes...

I think the poster is probably just still active as Bin Laden was such a huge figure of public interest and that is the only reason its still on the site. Also a certain amount of "victory" over the terrorists associated with slapping "deceased" over the photo.

The question of 9/11 is a interesting one, form the perspective of the FBI the 9/11 attacks where conducted by a terrorist organisation called Al-Qa'ida who was headed up by a Saudi man called Osama Bin Laden which was fully investigated under PENTBOMB. However although he was found to lead the group responsible for the attacks they also found that the "architect" behind the attacks was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and in his 9/11 indictment multiple explicit references are made to OBL specifically. It was KSM's operation, not Bin Laden's.

Bin Laden however was wanted in connection to his leadership of Al-Qa'ida for which he was already wanted for after the 1998 attacks.

A full explanation of the legalities of all of this stuff i simply not possible to answer in one post or thread on ATS but i would highly recommend reading Ali Soufan's book "The Black Banners" which provides a amazing inside account of the FBI investigation into Al-Qa'ida.

The attacks were really though a legal midfield because they attempted some kind of strange hybrid military/law enforcement respond to the attacks.

I find the idea that the oddities with this poster would represent any kind of evidence of a conspiracy as being highly unlikely why on earth would they take such a risk?

He's still active and living in the Caribbean according to Snowden.

Then again, Snowden also said that DNA retrieved from the person killed in Pakistan confirmed it was Usama Bin Laden.

So as confused as they have us, dark forces are building in the M.E, something dark is lurking.

On another note, can anybody remember him as Osama Bin Laden?

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Otherside, victory over what? over the 9/11 attacks? he was never officially wanted for that. if you're referring to victory over the 'general terrorist framework,' this seems like a weak reason for them to do something outside of how they normally close their investigations. in addition, how would a wanted poster please the public more than a formal article from the FBI confirming he's being taken off of the most wanted list due to his deceased status, like any other terrorist they did that with? regardless, they took both approaches here. from all i've seen so far, it's anomalous and cannot be confidently attributed to 'public interest.'

"The attacks were really though a legal midfield because they attempted some kind of strange hybrid military/law enforcement respond to the attacks."

When you say 'they,' who are you referring to?

and i wasn't stating that this definitely represents evidence of a conspiracy. my OP was one of curiosity, as these oddities are very apparent under a microscope. it's either careless or deliberate at this point.

a reply to: wildb

this is interesting. would you be able to provide a source for this?

"Intelligence agencies quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by bin Laden’s terrorist organization, and in October 2001, his name was added to the U.S. Department of State’s Most Wanted Terrorists List."

This of course is stated this way because Bin Laden was not a part of the group on the planes who committed the act. As for not having 911 on the poster the poster only have crimes you have been indited for. Bin Laden was not indited for 911 and would not have been unless the got him alive. Instead he was treated as the leader of an enemy force that had attacked the United States and thus became a legit target of war. If you indite him for 911 he becomes a criminal and then trying to assassinate him leads to murky legal grounds.

At some point down the road the US and other nations intel agencies will release all the intercepts from AlQuida about 911 and it will be hard to run with any more conspiracies at that point. That however will be sometime as they will always protect sources and methods until the have become long obsolete to keep everybody guessing at just what their capabilities are.

originally posted by: facedye
a reply to: wildb

this is interesting. would you be able to provide a source for this?

For his death in 2001 ?

a reply to: wildb

Yes

originally posted by: facedye
a reply to: wildb

Yes

Well back in 2004 or earlier I could have given you links from the MSM all over the world, CNN, CBS , NBC, ect here in the US. But since then they have all been scrubbed from the internet, except this one from DEC 26, 2001


www.foxnews.com...

a reply to: facedye

Funny enough i checked the top ten website about 3 weeks ago.

9/11 is still not listed under his accusations.

My personal opinion, (based on nothing but believe) the FBI did it on purpose.

They are not agreeing with the Official Story, did not put 9/11 in and let the site there as a silent protest.

a reply to: MrSpad

That's a great point!

I deeply hope that's all true, and would love to put this matter to rest once and for all. Until then, we can probably go back and forth about matters that "are protected for reasons of national security."

For example:

No Hard Evidence = No Indictment

based on these words from the FBI director, would your opinion be that he is lying to the american public out of interests of national security?

originally posted by: svetlana84
a reply to: facedye

Funny enough i checked the top ten website about 3 weeks ago.

9/11 is still not listed under his accusations.

My personal opinion, (based on nothing but believe) the FBI did it on purpose.

They are not agreeing with the Official Story, did not put 9/11 in and let the site there as a silent protest.

Your not the only one....

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
He's still active and living in the Caribbean according to Snowden.
Then again, Snowden also said that DNA retrieved from the person killed in Pakistan confirmed it was Usama Bin Laden.
So as confused as they have us, dark forces are building in the M.E, something dark is lurking.
On another note, can anybody remember him as Osama Bin Laden?

Simple, 9/11 agreeing to be a patsy to start the war in Iraq Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden was flown to a special place prepared for him and his Family to stay out of sight and safe.

He provided the DNA that was used to ID unknown sad planted imposter who may or may not have been killed, I doubt it and the whole dumped at sea business. He was later moved to a wonderful place in So America part of a US military protected property belonging to the Bush family who are great friends and business partners with the Laden family just as many Hitler Family and friends were also treated..

The payoff to those who were useful

Navy SEAL Team Six: Unit that killed Osama bin Laden has become 'global manhunting machine with limited oversight', says report

www.independent.co.uk... 0.html

The payback for those who refused to be used

Sent off on a group mission (cleanup done)

What really happened to Navy SEAL Team 6? In August 2011, the elite special forces unit suffered the worst battlefield calamity in its history. A Taliban fighter shot down a Chinook helicopter carrying 22 Navy SEAL Team 6 members in Afghanistan. All 38 persons on board — the Navy SEAL warriors, other U.S. military personnel and seven Afghan soldiers — were killed. Grieving family members have been demanding answers. They may now get some as Congress finally opens an investigation.

www.washingtontimes.com...

Is this the real guy?

The Document proving bin Laden was CIA Asset Tim Ossman

humansarefree.com...

a reply to: facedye

thanks for that link!

a quote from it

The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.”

a reply to: wildb

interesting, indeed! i mean i'm sure you can see how an argument for both sides of the validity of these sources can be made, but that goes for most things as well.

still, let's say this article is true. i'm even more stumped as to how to reconcile that fact with this active wanted poster.

a reply to: facedye


What is one to make of this, alleged Snowden report that he has leaked documents claiming Osama Bin Laden is alive and well living on the C.I.A. payroll. If Snowden knows to much its no wonder they want him badly.www.yournewswire.com...

originally posted by: facedye
a reply to: wildb

interesting, indeed! i mean i'm sure you can see how an argument for both sides of the validity of these sources can be made, but that goes for most things as well.

still, let's say this article is true. i'm even more stumped as to how to reconcile that fact with this active wanted poster.

Hell, I don't know and I am no expert on OBL, all I know is back in 2004/2005 when I started to research 911 I found a lot of info he died in 2001... I wish I would have saved those pages, I do find it strange it only lives on Fox News today..