Where Is The Proof That There Is "Nothing" After Death?

It is general knowledge that the hypothesis of there 'is life' after death does not have significant scientific proof. Life after death therefore cannot be accepted and the null hypothesis of 'no life' after death cannot be rejected.

OP is saying that 'no life' has never been experienced and because of this, 'is life' should actually be the null hypothesis and 'no life' is the alternative that requires proof. i tend to agree

if it is taken that babies come from 'no life' , then it actually makes more sense that this implies there 'is life' after death since A(no life) -> B(born person - is life) -> A(no life). If no new babies were being born it would a greater implication of no life after death, but since there is constantly new life and life is interconnected, i am convinced that this experience will not end permanently upon death.

If you see a human as some kind of mechanism, and consciousness is just the result of a lot of chemical / electrical activity, then death is for sure the end of consciousness. However, we don't really understand (yet?) how consciousness works.

If it's a (electrochemical) function of the brain and you were able to copy every atom of my system, you'd end up with two conscious people, both thinking and actually feeling / knowing they were Charles Fort. We don't have the technology to try this, but if this vison holds true, in the end we may see consciouss computers.

Others think that the placement of atoms in a body (or in any object for that .. er.. matter) is ruled by a higher force and hence any body is merely an expression of that higher force (some might say that higher force is God). In which case, if you die, merely one facet of God is temporarily lost, but could be restored, simply by arranging a body according to plan. And consciousness could be part of that higher force, our bodies merely antennae.

I tend to believe that we are all facets of God, but that's a personal belief. It may be nonsense, but it's roughly as nonsensical as believing that we're all some kind of electrochemical robot. I choose to believe we are all facets of God.

Now, here's where things get really interesting, because choice has a very, very, interesting relationship to the quantum world. We know, by doing various experiments, that observers tend to create their own reality. And there lies your answer: those that believe that there is nothing after death - may actually disappear forever. Those that believe in the higher force (some may call it God) will indeed "live forever".

Once more, I'll refer you to Olson, whose essay quite adequately catches my personal belief.

Or, in the true spirit of this day and age: may indeed the Force be with you!

To me, the Universe is friendly.

originally posted by: MemeticHarvest

It is general knowledge that the hypothesis of there 'is life' after death does not have significant scientific proof. Life after death therefore cannot be accepted and the null hypothesis of 'no life' after death cannot be rejected.

OP is saying that 'no life' has never been experienced and because of this, 'is life' should actually be the null hypothesis and 'no life' is the alternative that requires proof. i tend to agree

if it is taken that babies come from 'no life' , then it actually makes more sense that this implies there 'is life' after death since A(no life) -> B(born person - is life) -> A(no life). If no new babies were being born it would a greater implication of no life after death, but since there is constantly new life and life is interconnected, i am convinced that this experience will not end permanently upon death.

I believe you have phrased this wrong you should be saying I don't know of any scientific proof, here is the proof

www.google.com.au...:en-AU:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&gfe_rd=cr&ei=0hKPVvLJL8 em8we48bSYBA&gws_rd=ssl

One man even recalled leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room.

Despite being unconscious and ‘dead’ for three minutes, the 57-year-old social worker from Southampton, recounted the actions of the nursing staff in detail and described the sound of the machines.

“We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating,” said Dr Sam Parnia, a former research fellow at Southampton University, now at the State University of New York, who led the study.

“But in this case, conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes into the period when the heart wasn’t beating, even though the brain typically shuts down within 20-30 seconds after the heart has stopped.

“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.

There are another couple of explanations that there is more and is not explained by the BS we are told by the roman empire that masquerades as the catholic church.
one is the council of Nicaea removed all writings of reincarnation.
and another cool one is if you know about your ancestors and what trade they had when you need a job done ask for guidance from them and you will be guided by them.

Is there really any point to even debating it? At some point, we all will know the answer. Either there IS something after we die, or there is not.

No one knows. While "near death" accounts are comforting... they are by no means proof. They weren't DEAD. People who say they "died" while being kept alive on machines? Nope. Sorry. You were not DEAD. Clinically dead? Sure.. maybe. But clinically dead isn't even DEAD. Many years ago they used to bury people they thought were dead, and weren't. Today we assume we know what death even is. Sure.. the embalming process pretty much guarantees you that the person is dead. But what if in 100 years or so, medical discoveries show that what we today consider "dead" is far from the truth?

Oh.. and just to add. I DO believe that there is something after we die. I have my reasons. I don't present them to people because for me, they are not up for debate. No one on this earth alive is an expert or has even the slightest amount of proof either way. That is just a fact.

there is no proof. people just act like they know and the feel superior because of it. atheists and their dumb beliefs.

a reply to: DerekJR321

well there is proof. its personal proof tho. something doesn't have to be an empirical fact to be true. i think people forget that. ive got all the proof i need to be 99.99% sure that there is an "afterlife". this is based on what ive seen and experienced. i have proof to back my view.

originally posted by: DerekJR321
Is there really any point to even debating it? At some point, we all will know the answer. Either there IS something after we die, or there is not.

No one knows. While "near death" accounts are comforting... they are by no means proof. They weren't DEAD. People who say they "died" while being kept alive on machines? Nope. Sorry. You were not DEAD. Clinically dead? Sure.. maybe. But clinically dead isn't even DEAD. Many years ago they used to bury people they thought were dead, and weren't. Today we assume we know what death even is. Sure.. the embalming process pretty much guarantees you that the person is dead. But what if in 100 years or so, medical discoveries show that what we today consider "dead" is far from the truth?

Oh.. and just to add. I DO believe that there is something after we die. I have my reasons. I don't present them to people because for me, they are not up for debate. No one on this earth alive is an expert or has even the slightest amount of proof either way. That is just a fact.

Doesn't all come down to the fact that if we reincarnate, and ask what death is?, then this life becomes death, it becomes a non question. Another one is to say that life happens when the body has consciousness. So if that's the case when we are unconscious are we then in that state we consider as death? like in sleep or coma. Until we work out what consciousness is, and how it can animate the common elements that our bodies are created from, and how that works we will then at least have half an answer.

a reply to: DerekJR321

I was dead.
Not on machines.
Woke in the Hospital Morgue.
My death called..
Explain that.
In Hospitals, as Students, Video recorded, very slowly.
We MOST of the time play it ahead, to see the person's spirit/soul, leave the body, sometimes upward, sometimes downward, sometimes out the side wall, some are white, some are a gray like dark smoke, and sometimes we somehow missed it.
The human husk is usually always lighter and not lighter due to any bodily fluid or waste lost.
by up to 2 mere ounces but usually .5 an ounce of weight leaves with the foggy looking thing that leaves the body.
So yes, Science does study and has found proof.
Sometimes it is seen, on video staying in the room then returning, patients having recounted precisely what was being done to them.
THOSE experiments, are NOT subjective.
They are even played off and on on Documentary channels.
I suppose one CAN try to see it as subjective, but how would you explain those fags which leave the body, different shapes to different sizes white to a dark gray fogged mist?

originally posted by: StormyStars
a reply to: DerekJR321

I was dead.
Not on machines.
Woke in the Hospital Morgue.
My death called..
Explain that.
In Hospitals, as Students, Video recorded, very slowly.
We MOST of the time play it ahead, to see the person's spirit/soul, leave the body, sometimes upward, sometimes downward, sometimes out the side wall, some are white, some are a gray like dark smoke, and sometimes we somehow missed it.
The human husk is usually always lighter and not lighter due to any bodily fluid or waste lost.
by up to 2 mere ounces but usually .5 an ounce of weight leaves with the foggy looking thing that leaves the body.
So yes, Science does study and has found proof.
Sometimes it is seen, on video staying in the room then returning, patients having recounted precisely what was being done to them.
THOSE experiments, are NOT subjective.
They are even played off and on on Documentary channels.
I suppose one CAN try to see it as subjective, but how would you explain those fags which leave the body, different shapes to different sizes white to a dark gray fogged mist?

It happens in other ways as well, the Japanese eat a fish that gives off a nerve toxin, if its prepared badly, all signs of death become apparent , but by law the body must be left at the morgue without any disturbance for three days because, a few come back to life, and the process of laying out the body would kill them. Hemlock has a similar effect. Also an account of the voodoo zombie potion has a fish nerve toxin in it, one account has the person who's been through the funeral and buried, hovering over the grave until he's dug up , then given the antidote, then taken to the sugar plantation to continue his existence, being fed Datura Stamonium (Zombie weed) to keep him passive while he works in the fields. as a slave. I'm not joking.

originally posted by: StormyStars
a reply to: DerekJR321

I was dead.
Not on machines.
Woke in the Hospital Morgue.
My death called..
Explain that.
In Hospitals, as Students, Video recorded, very slowly.
We MOST of the time play it ahead, to see the person's spirit/soul, leave the body, sometimes upward, sometimes downward, sometimes out the side wall, some are white, some are a gray like dark smoke, and sometimes we somehow missed it.
The human husk is usually always lighter and not lighter due to any bodily fluid or waste lost.
by up to 2 mere ounces but usually .5 an ounce of weight leaves with the foggy looking thing that leaves the body.
So yes, Science does study and has found proof.
Sometimes it is seen, on video staying in the room then returning, patients having recounted precisely what was being done to them.
THOSE experiments, are NOT subjective.
They are even played off and on on Documentary channels.
I suppose one CAN try to see it as subjective, but how would you explain those fags which leave the body, different shapes to different sizes white to a dark gray fogged mist?

It happens in other ways as well, the Japanese eat a fish that gives off a nerve toxin, if its prepared badly, all signs of death become apparent , but by law the body must be left at the morgue without any disturbance for three days because, a few come back to life, and the process of laying out the body would kill them. Hemlock has a similar effect. Also an account of the voodoo zombie potion has a fish nerve toxin in it, one account has the person who's been through the funeral and buried, hovering over the grave until he's dug up , then given the antidote, then taken to the sugar plantation to continue his existence, being fed Datura Stamonium (Zombie weed) to keep him passive while he works in the fields. as a slave. I'm not joking.

a reply to: anonentity

I've worked hospitals for 31 years.
NO bodies are left in the hospital morgue for 3 days at least, not in Canada,
My family was coming to view my just cleansed body then one of the Town/City morgues was to collect me at 8 pm.
The bodies are then embalmed, cremated or w/e as soon as possible unless family wait for family to arrive from out of town.
It takes up to 3 days for burial.
That is renting a hall for the after funeral life celebration come and go for the families, to wish condolences and such, caterers are hired, a church or funeral home with pews rented for the ceremonial ashes to ashes, dust to dust stuff officiated by a hired Priest, Minister, or whatever faith is used.
Paul Bearers, etc, are set up, etc.
The only time wasted is on all that stuff, for family. If no family,a ward of the Province, then usually a cremation or whatever costs least, the following day unless an Autopsy has been requested 1st. Which begins immediately but can take a bit of time before the body is sent wherever.
Here, in Canada, when a death is called, generally, dead is dead and after 57 minutes, they do not usually come back to life.
I have never lived near salt waters in Canada and we do not have amphibious toxic creatures or plants unless possibly Mushrooms which if not the edible or majick varieties, possibly death by poisons, which there is no return from generally.

In other Countries, I would agree the possibilities of such a thing.

Here, in Canada, once a death has been called, it usually remains so.

Plus, no Town/City Morgues are equipped to save anyone quickly enough if someone were to wake, but the 3 days of funeral prep,while the bodies are in the funeral homes, the bodied are already embalmed.

And ws/e dude or dudette.

This will probably be removed due to being off topic again. though the one was finishing a reply that actually was related so this is already made subjective instead of objective by whichever mod is removing RELATED statements even if completing the telling of an opinion.

So it won't matter anyway now will it?

But think soul.... Kinetic energies, ( Electric pulses in all human bodies to function properly like keeping the heart stimulated to keep beating as the body is mostly dependent on water...Hydra....Hydro....electricity. That electricity is believed to stem from Kinetic energies thought to be a human's soul or spirit as it were ).

Yes, people believe or do no believe.
Whatever works for whose ever mind needs the one belief or the other.

Guess no one can know unless they too die and return from their death as in the here and now, not the reincarnation/incarnation stuff.

And of course, multiculturalism plays a big part in one"s beliefs in most areas when it comes to anyone given a second, 3rd or more chance.
Probably would have been staked as a Vampyre or beheaded as a Zombie way back when or even in some cultures of today.

We can view it as a gift or abomination.

Everyone has an opinion on it including being accused of being a Voodoo/Hoodoo High Priestess of all things in Northern Canada ffs! lol!

People who know me whom I no longer wish to know, have actually come up with a lot worse scenarios than the actually dying and coming back to life to be able to talk about it.

Human Frailty. There MUST be a more logical explanation. NOT that someone has been a second chance or anything, AND these are mainly Christians of whatever denominations.

I guess the OP's post requires FAITH either way and the world has become very barren of Faith....

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I see people say "there is no proof that there is anything after death" all the time on these boards and even in real life. So where is the proof that there is nothing after death?

Have you ever seen or experienced "nothing"? No, there is only this "something" that we all experience. For all we know there is only this "something" and no such thing as "nothing".

I believe it takes a bigger leap in logic to conclude that there is nothing after death than there is to conclude there is something because no one has ever experienced nothing and lived to tell about it. All anyone knows is this something we experience right now.

So to those who believe there is nothing after death, where is your proof? My proof that there is something after death is right here and now within this something we have always experienced.

It's simple: we have no tangible proof that there is an afterlife, and we have all the evidence in the world, which is very strong, that there isn't something hidden from the reality we experience, therefore one can conclude by 99% certainty there isn't something after death.

From a philosophical point of view, why should it there be? there is no need for that.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
What if we look at the other end? What was there before you were born?

There must be a transfer of energy somehow, as they say you can't make or destroy energy, only change it's form. That's pretty standard scientific thinking.

Believing in a creator, we spiritually inclined lay our faith in a life or existence beyond our moment of death in this temporal world.
No matter where the audience, the same things in death are observable, but incidents linger long enough to give us pause, and time to examine. It seems a question unanswerable, similar to inter-dimensional travel....... say two dimensional and three dimensional travelers even recognizing one another. What did Steve Jobs see ?

One could devote reams of paper writing books on the subject. It' unlikely to ever have an answer, and add a supreme omnipotent creator, and you have two separate worlds to address. Our temporal world where we can interact, think, and believe as we wish, and the claim of a spiritual world. One unseen, but just as real, one governed by a Creator. It comes down to a matter of choice, and with enough effort spent searching ....... one might find contentment in their belief.