Former U.S. attorney: Clinton could face criminal indictment

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: RickinVa

I can guarantee you that asking a federal employee to remove classification markings from a document in order to circumvent security procedures is a crime.

The email is right there for everyone to see.

Ok. Provide the statute that covers such an issue. An earlier attempt only showed that the act had to actually occur before any violation was deemed against the law.

It doesn't matter whether the person asked did it or not

Actually, it does.

Here is a novel idea.... do some research and get back to me tomorrow... I have better things to do tonight than debate with someone who refuse to do research.

When the final determination is made by the FBI, we will continue this discussion... until then, it is pointless to keep pointing out what laws have already been broken.

My former co-workers tell me that a determination will not be long in forthcoming. Until then, we shall wait and see.

PS: having the last post does not mean you win an argument.... it just means people are fed up dealing with someone who refuses to answer real questions.

Answer any of the questions below with a real answer and I will shut up.


1. How did her home meet the requirements set forth by the government for the handling of classified information?

2. Can she produce a MOA (memorandum of agreement) between her and the state department for the storage of classified information at her private residence?

That's two real easy questions you should be able to answer.

It not about the email server... it is about the information contained in the emails on that server... you just can't seem to understand that.

a reply to: TheSemiSkeptic

Could it be that the investigation is not complete yet?

Yes.

Could it be that there is even more information the FBI has, that they are keeping close to the vest.

Yes. I am more than willing to see that information and respond accordingly.

Could it be that someone higher up is purposely slowing/stalling the investigation?

I try to distance myself from conspiracy.

a reply to: RickinVa

Have a good night, sir or maam.

I am more than delighted to discuss this issue, including charges against Hillary, if and when real evidence comes to light.

Until then, it's a waste of time.

I don't deal in fantasy or wishful-thinking.

originally posted by: ShadowLink

It's about as much of a let down as a lap dance, you get all excited then they walk away and nothing ever happens.

HAHA, best analogy of 2016 so far!

I still hope Hillary gets thrown in a prison in leg irons along with a ton of other federal criminals who when confronted with their crimes, try to tell the media that those who are speaking against them are "anti-government"

Both Hillary and Obama condemned the Honduran military as being "anti-government" when all they did was defend their country's constitutional laws when they kicked out the president for illegally attempting to remain in office after his term limit was up, he then tried to change the constitution. Hillary and our president did not like anyone defending their constitution since they already hated ours because it always gets in the way of their goals, so they called them anti government. What a hag and buffoon those two still make. Swinging from the end of a rope would not be too cruel for the crimes she has done.

I believe Hillary is immune to prosecution as long as she is a presidential candidate. As soon as she drops out of the race, things
change.

Irregardless of the best damage control, it is too late.
This debacle has cost her a bid for president, and probably rightfully so.

a reply to: beijingyank

I believe Hillary is immune to prosecution as long as she is a presidential candidate. As soon as she drops out of the race, things
change.

uhhh... no.

a reply to: charlyv

Irregardless of the best damage control, it is too late. This debacle has cost her a bid for president, and probably rightfully so.

uhhh... no.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: RickinVa

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: TheSemiSkeptic

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TheSemiSkeptic

There were a lot of emails on her server that contained classified information. She used the email to do her duties in that position.

I don't need to prove that there were classified materials on her server, You stated it right there.

All of which were handed over when requested. That's why no charges have been filed. It is not against SD procedures to use a private email for official government business as long as the records are available upon request.

It is when that information is housed on a unapproved server outside of government control.. why can;t you understand that?

How was it outside of government control? They asked for the emails and received it. They also were able to get the server itself.

Everything they asked for was handed-over, including her person emails.

and they got the old drives from the upgrade too, right? And the old server?

This entire thread is stupid.

diGenova is a lying slime-ball that has been peeing on peoples legs for decades trying to draw attention to himself.

His particular schtick is to attack the Clintons with innuendo, rumor, lies, libel, and defamatory gnat droppings.

In this case he is lying about the FBI investigation from start to finish.

The FBI is NOT, repeat, NOT investigating Hillary Clinton.

The inquiry by the FBI is considered preliminary and appears to be focused on ensuring the proper handling of classified material. Officials have said that Clinton, the Democratic presidential front-runner, is not a target. [The Washington Post, 8/11/15]

Law enforcement officials have said that Mrs. Clinton, who is seeking the 2016 Democratic nomination for president, is not a target of the investigation, and she has said there is no evidence that her account was hacked. There has also been no evidence that she broke the law, and many specialists believe the occasional appearance of classified information in her account was probably of marginal consequence. [The New York Times, 8/14/15]

It is absolutely clear that the FBI is not involved in a criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton. They are reviewing procedures for handling classified documents. And how on earth would diGenova be in a position to know what is going on anyway?

Evidence of diGenova's previous tantrums include his lies about Benghazi and the military involvement. Why would he even be in a position to have an opinion that was worth spit?

DiGenova Falsely Claimed Members Of The Military Were "Relieved Of Their Duty Because They Insisted That There Be A Military Response" To Benghazi Attacks. On October 28, 2013, diGenova claimed on WMAL that some members of the military were "relieved of their duty because they insisted that there be a military response" the night of the September 2012 Benghazi attacks, despite the fact that a military response was ordered by then-Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta. These military forces included a Marine anti-terrorism team deployed from Spain and special operations forces that were stationed in Croatia and the United States, but they did not arrive until after the attacks were over. [Media Matters, 10/29/13; Media Matters, 10/28/13]

He and his wife are absolutely known as "media hogs" and "self-promoters" to the detriment of their clients since last century.

DiGenova Has Been Criticized By Lawmaker For "Non-Stop Mugging" For The Press And For Lacking "Impartiality, Non-Partisanship, And Professionalism." In 1998, Joseph DiGenova and his wife and legal partner Victoria Toensing, who were working as outside counsel for the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, were criticized for their actions in connection with the Monica Lewinsky scandal. A February 5, 1998, Roll Call article "Rep. Bill Clay (D-Mo) launched a stinging attack on the two lead attorneys investigating the Teamsters campaign finance scandal yesterday, alleging that the attorneys have lost their objectivity because of their frequent television appearances and 'participation' in the scandal involving ex-White House intern Monica Lewinsky.
...
Clay said in his letter that a LEXIS/NEXIS search found 166 citations of diGenova and Toensing commenting on the Lewinsky affair between Jan. 21 and Feb. 4."

166 citations in 14 days? Froth at the mouth much? I would pretty much put him in the same basket as Orly Taitz in that regard, but I grant that he is a real lawyer, and probably does know how to conduct himself in a Court of Law.

But I wouldn't trust his opinions about the Clintons or the Democrats. Period.

a reply to: rnaa

"The FBI is NOT, repeat, NOT investigating Hillary Clinton."


WRONG. Hillary is in some deep deep doo doo and is in fact now under active investigation by the FBI. Check multiple reports of the expanded investigation now under way. She will referred to the DOJ for prosecution, under at least 15 criminal counts. Whether she is prosecuted or not remains to be seen, but each day with each drip makes it highly unlikely that she won't be prosecuted.

In the end will come the presidential pardon, so no jail time.... but she is finished.

a reply to: RickinVa

WRONG. Hillary is in some deep deep doo doo and is in fact now under active investigation by the FBI. Check multiple reports of the expanded investigation now under way.

Can you link to a source that does not lead back to DeGenova or "unnamed sources?"

a reply to: DJW001

Surely he is not the only source for all of the, seemingly, dozens of articles that are discussing the same thing. i.e., Hillary Clinton has been involved with some shady practices, and may face prosecution.

-dex

a reply to: DJW001

All I need to know is that an Inspector General found information that he knew to be classified outside of proper channels and reported that information to the FBI.

The IG by law was required to report his knowledge any mishandling of classified information. He did exactly what he was supposed to do.

One email contained satellite imagery concerning the movement of North Korean missiles.

That imagery did not come from google earth.

Some information is considered classified at conception, or some times, referred to as classified from birth.

Satellite imagery is that exact type information that is classified from conception.

Based on that alone, I can tell you Hillary Clinton is in some deep doo doo.

I do not need any news sources to confirm this information, it was heavily reported on at the beginning of this fiasco.

originally posted by: DexterRiley
a reply to: DJW001

Surely he is not the only source for all of the, seemingly, dozens of articles that are discussing the same thing. i.e., Hillary Clinton has been involved with some shady practices, and may face prosecution.

-dex

dozens of articles???....from what sources??......right-wing blogs??....right-wing opinion writers??....100 hours a week from rush Limbaugh's live and repeat radio shows???

refresher story.

The IG reviewed a "limited sampling" of her emails and among those 40 reviewed found that "four contained classified [intelligence community] information," wrote the IG Charles McCullough in a letter to Congress.

McCullough noted that "none of the emails we reviewed had classification or dissemination markings" but that some "should have been handled as classified, appropriately marked, and transmitted via a secure network."

The four emails in question "were classified when they were sent and are classified now," spokeswoman Andrea Williams told CNN.

McCullough said that State Department Freedom of Information Act officials told the intelligence community IG that "there are potentially hundreds of classified emails within the approximately 30,000 provided by former Secretary Clinton."

Official: Clinton emails included classified information

We've been hearing this for years though. Hillary will be sunk by Benghazi, Email Scandal, Health, Whitewater, Bill's infidelity, etc etc. And she's still there.

I'd love to see it but it's just click bait. None of it ever sticks.

a reply to: RickinVa

One email contained satellite imagery concerning the movement of North Korean missiles.

Can you prove that? That assertion was made by outlets like Fox News and Washington Times, but no official statement has ever been made to confirm it. It's all based on anonymous sources. But here is a different look at what you're trying to sell.

While neither of the emails was marked classified at the time they were sent, they have since been slapped with a “TK” marking, for “Talent Keyhole,” suggesting material obtained by spy satellites. And they also were marked “NOFORN,” meaning information that can only be shared with Americans with security clearances.

The two emails got those markings after consultations with the CIA and other agencies where the material originated, officials said. Some officials said they believed the designations were a stretch — a knee-jerk move in a bureaucracy rife with over-classification.

The officials who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity work in intelligence and other agencies. They wouldn’t detail the full contents of the emails because of ongoing questions about classification level.

Clinton didn’t transmit the sensitive information herself, they said, and nothing in the emails she received makes direct reference to communications intercepts, confidential intelligence methods or any other form of sensitive sourcing.

www.pbs.org...

a reply to: amazing


I like to look at it like this.... Hillary and her campaign will tell you this investigation is nothing new, just the same witch hunt BS by the republican party to try and make her look bad.

They like to refer to it as republicans throwing everything at the "wall" hoping that something will stick.

The FBI is about to shoot that wall with a cruise missile.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: RickinVa

One email contained satellite imagery concerning the movement of North Korean missiles.

Can you prove that? That assertion was made by outlets like Fox News and Washington Times, but no official statement has ever been made to confirm it. It's all based on anonymous sources. But here is a different look at what you're trying to sell.

While neither of the emails was marked classified at the time they were sent, they have since been slapped with a “TK” marking, for “Talent Keyhole,” suggesting material obtained by spy satellites. And they also were marked “NOFORN,” meaning information that can only be shared with Americans with security clearances.

The two emails got those markings after consultations with the CIA and other agencies where the material originated, officials said. Some officials said they believed the designations were a stretch — a knee-jerk move in a bureaucracy rife with over-classification.

The officials who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity work in intelligence and other agencies. They wouldn’t detail the full contents of the emails because of ongoing questions about classification level.

Clinton didn’t transmit the sensitive information herself, they said, and nothing in the emails she received makes direct reference to communications intercepts, confidential intelligence methods or any other form of sensitive sourcing.

www.pbs.org...

If you think that for one second the US Government is going to openly confirm anything concerning top secret or even secret satellite information, then you must have more than just one loose screw. You are asking for proof that can not be provided to your satisfaction other than someone posting classified information. Not going to happen.

I know it is a complete waste of time to reply to and I don't even know why I even bother. So I won't bother anymore.

The FBI is nearing the end of its investigation... all we have to do is wait.