Saudi Arabia and Iran. A History Of Tension

a reply to: intrptr

And guess who's behind it all the while and really spreading 'all that violence'.

Quelle surprise, you seem to seek every opportunity to spread your entrenched opinion that 'the west', or more specifically the USA and the UK, are behind all of the world's ill's.

I'm sorry, its simply not true.

The simple FACT behind the enmity between Saudi Arabia and Iran boils down to Sunni / Shia hatred.
The same thing that has fuelled sectarian violence in the region for round about a thousand years now.

Saudi Arabia has actually been criticising the USA for NOT getting involved in the various regional conflicts.

I'm sorry but you can't blame the US for this one....its down to good old fashioned religious bigotry and to a lesser extent racial differences.

originally posted by: SLAYER69

No-one denies the US/UK/West have had their hands in the mix, only a fool would, but to attempt to push aside 1,400 years of real history of division and violence between the two and lay blame on others for ALL ME problems is simply not facing reality.

Agree.

Also, not to forget the meddling of Russia /the Soviets. In the 1920s the Persian Socialist Soviet Republic was established and the Russians invaded Iran (with Britain) in the 1940s, including not withdrawing Soviet forces following the end of WW2, thus helping to kick off the Cold War. To put all the blame of meddling with the US and the West is to selectively read history and to misunderstand historical context.

Just an example Resolution 2 of the UN

It's also notable that Russia arms most Arab / ME countries.

originally posted by: SLAYER69
a reply to: intrptr

Islam is 1,400 years old.

Division and violence between the two sects is nearly as old.

The US is only 240 years old.

Attempting to blame the US and Allies, UK/West, for everything wrong between the two ancient rival sects is a very apparent form of denial.

No-one denies the US/UK/West have had their hands in the mix, only a fool would, but to attempt to push aside 1,400 years of real history of division and violence between the two and lay blame on others for ALL ME problems is simply not facing reality.

The feud may be 1400 years old, but the arms shipments and funding now is new.

Religions the world over have many sects. My point was the west conquers targeted nations by starting feuds between these sects that may have been already there but not killing each other on a mechanized scale until the west began fomenting that insurrection and injecting arms.

The CIA , the US state department and the military branch have been doing this my whole life.

Now who's in denial?

a reply to: Freeborn

Meh, the real (next) target is Iran. Ancient sectarian religious rivalry has been used as the excuse before in the ME and will be the next time, too. The focus is still (Syria, then) Iran, and Russia.

originally posted by: intrptr

The feud may be 1400 years old, but the arms shipments and funding now is new.

Religions the world over have many sects. My point was the west conquers targeted nations by starting feuds between these sects that may have been already there but not killing each other on a mechanized scale until the west began fomenting that insurrection and injecting arms.

The CIA , the US state department and the military branch have been doing this my whole life.

Now who's in denial?

No-one denies the US/UK/West have had their hands in the mix, only a fool would, but to attempt to push aside 1,400 years of real history of division and violence between the two and lay blame on others for ALL ME problems is simply not facing reality.

originally posted by: intrptr


The feud may be 1400 years old, but the arms shipments and funding now is new.

The Middle East and North Africa is awash with military equipment supplied by the US, Russia, China, Israel, France, Germany and everyone else.

a reply to: paraphi

Also, not to forget the meddling of Russia /the Soviets.

Nice on both counts… "Russia (slash) Soviets" isn't meddling. Russia, not "Soviets", is allied with Syria and Iran, Russia is invited.

NATO and its "coalition" are the "Meddlers".

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: intrptr


The feud may be 1400 years old, but the arms shipments and funding now is new.

The Middle East and North Africa is awash with military equipment supplied by the US, Russia, China, Israel, France, Germany and everyone else.

Russia and China are arming their allies against NATO encroachment. "Everyone else"?

Name one Central or south american, Asian or African country that is part of NATO's "coalition".

originally posted by: intrptr

Name one Central or south american, Asian or African country that is part of NATO's "coalition".

In other regions there are other mutual defense groups outside of the

North
Atlantic
Treaty
Organization

a reply to: intrptr

Blinkers.

Historically Russia has been a meddler extraordinaire in the Middle East and North Africa. To selectively ignore that fact is part of the problem when people think they are analysing the present situation. It makes it less simple when it is not just the US to blame!

Look at the history of Yemen as a case in point. Even Iran and Iraq were the subject of huge interference by Russia.

NATO has only ever been involved in carrying out UN mandated action in Libya. NATO is not involved in Syria. You know this.

a reply to: SLAYER69

No-one denies the US/UK/West have had their hands in the mix, only a fool would, but to attempt to push aside 1,400 years of real history of division and violence between the two and lay blame on others for ALL ME problems is simply not facing reality.

The reality is the propaganda starting up about another ancient rivalry between the Sauds and Iran (really, Sunni and Shia) to justify another eventual intervention, this time in Iran.

Maybe we should attack Saudi Arabia? They arm and train everybody with US supplied weapons. They are currently decimating Yemen with American supplied F15s and "smart" bombs. Maybe we should be bombing Riyadh?

Never gonna hear anyone calling for that, lol. Just Syria, Iran and the Russians.

a reply to: intrptr

Nice on both counts… "Russia (slash) Soviets" isn't meddling. Russia, not "Soviets", is allied with Syria and Iran,Russia is invited.

So, according to you because Russia is 'allied' to both Syria and Iran they are 'invited' and are not meddling.

BUT, because Saudi Arabia and its allies have been literally begging the USA to get more involved but they are refusing to do so the USA is meddling in Middle Eastern affairs.

You reasoning is blatant hypocrisy and double standards.

Your hatred for the USA blinds you to what is so apparent to almost everyone else - it is the deep rooted and burning hatred between Sunni's and Shia's and to a subtler level the dislike between Persians and Arabs that is fuelling this crisis between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

You seem so consumed with hatred for the USA that you point blank refuse to even consider any other explanation despite evidence presented to you.

originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: intrptr

Name one Central or south american, Asian or African country that is part of NATO's "coalition".

In other regions there are other mutual defense groups outside of the

North
Atlantic
Treaty
Organization

Yah, what the hell is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization doing in the Middle East, anyway?

Oh yah, thousand year old rivalries…

originally posted by: intrptr

Maybe we should attack Saudi Arabia? They arm and train everybody with US supplied weapons. They are currently decimating Yemen with American supplied F15s and "smart" bombs. Maybe we should be bombing Riyadh?

Never gonna hear anyone calling for that, lol. Just Syria, Iran and the Russians.

Where have I or anyone responding in this thread advocated bombing of Iran, Syria and or Russia?

Projecting onto others a bogus stance to further your own argument is disingenuous to say the least.

a reply to: intrptr

Russia and China are arming their allies against NATO encroachment. "Everyone else"?

Again, your double standards are glaring.

Name one Central or south american, Asian or African country that is part of NATO's "coalition".

Name one Central or south american, Asian or African country that is in the North Atlantic region?

a reply to: Freeborn

BUT, because Saudi Arabia and its allies have been literally begging the USA to get more involved but they are refusing to do so the USA is meddling in Middle Eastern affairs.

You reasoning is blatant hypocrisy and double standards.

The Saudis and the US are allies working together to overthrow legitimate nations in the ME, all the while blaming the victimized nations.

Talk about dual natured. They call it lying.

originally posted by: intrptr

Yah, what the hell is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization doing in the Middle East, anyway?

Oh yah, thousand year old rivalries…

Correct me if I'm wrong, is not Turkey a NATO member? AND What action has "NATO" taken to provoke or inflame the ancient Iran/Saudi conflict ?

a reply to: Freeborn

Name one Central or south american, Asian or African country that is in the North Atlantic region?

The North Atlantic Region isn't the Middle East, either.

NATO is a dinosaur from a bygone era, now the world bully.

US out of everywhere, Yankee go home.

a reply to: SLAYER69

Turkey is a tool of NATO, convenient proxy placed to wage covert war while simultaneously maintaining plausible deniability.

Syria and Iran are effectively surrounded by proxy states, the coalition of the (better be) 'willing'.

In the early stages US state department uses the CIA to infiltrate and hijack movements both religious and political to foment insurrection in targeted countries. That, "had a hand" thing you mentioned earlier.

This is getting boring….

gotta go.

originally posted by: intrptr

This is getting boring….

gotta go.

You know what they say..

If you're bored, maybe you're boring.

Catch ya later.