Green orb sighting in California. Thoughts?

Several local residents reported seeing a UFO, described as “a green orb” fly over Pauma Valley on the evening of Tuesday, November 24, with much slower U.S. Marine helicopters giving chase.

Several other local residents, including residents on Miller Road have confirmed the initial MacPherson’s account. www.educatinghumanity.com...

a reply to: MDT20
My thoughts? I think they saw a light in the sky which they could not identify.

At this time we observed a green orb flying west over Pauma Valley at 7,000 feet.

How was the altitude of a light in the sky determined?

the green orb shot straight up stopping at approximately 20,000 feet.

How was the altitude of a light in the sky determined?

I estimated the speed of the green orb at 2,000 mph,

How was the speed of a light in the sky determined?

We know what we saw.

Apparently they saw a light in the sky. Something for which there is no way to determine altitude, distance, speed, or size.

a reply to: MDT20

If it really was moving that fast, I doubt that helicopters with a top speed a tiny fraction of that speed were chasing it.

Did any of you actually read the article? I went there thinking green is the signature color of a meteor streaking through the atmosphere--I've seen one myself--but it turns out the description here is much different than what I expected.

a reply to: schuyler

Did any of you actually read the article?

I did. I even quoted it.

a reply to: MDT20

You want to talk green orbs? i've seen one once.
January 2nd 2000 it was a sunsay night. What i seen
along with a jam packed I 10 freeway coming
home for the holidays. Has caused me to refer to them
as light beings. It was a trip!

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MDT20
My thoughts? I think they saw a light in the sky which they could not identify.

At this time we observed a green orb flying west over Pauma Valley at 7,000 feet.

How was the altitude of a light in the sky determined?

the green orb shot straight up stopping at approximately 20,000 feet.

How was the altitude of a light in the sky determined?

I estimated the speed of the green orb at 2,000 mph,

How was the speed of a light in the sky determined?

We know what we saw.

Apparently they saw a light in the sky. Something for which there is no way to determine altitude, distance, speed, or size.

Some U.S. military personnel are trained too determine speed, altitude and approximate size of aerial objects by eyewitness observation --- So in the case of Mr. MacPherson's eyewitness account...I would deem his estimations of the aerial objects as credible --- due to him being a military drone expert.

a reply to: Erno86

Some U.S. military personnel are trained too determine speed, altitude and approximate size of aerial objects by eyewitness observation

No. Human senses are not capable of doing that. If you know the size of an object you can make an educated guess at its distance, and vice versa. But without knowing one, you can't get the other.

due to him being a military drone expert.

As he states:

The pilots sit in actual cockpits in front of TV screens. The TV screens are their windows to the world around them.

So, how does that make one qualified to judge the size and distance of a light in the sky?

The last few paragraphs had me seriously wondering if I had had a stroke... looks like translation software gone batty.

To quote:

Management Command VC’s historical UFOs in San Diego. His The last time a UFO duty stations were in the was reported in Valley contractors manufacturing Center was April 29, plants located in Poway, 2012. The object was described Rancho Bernardo as a “Large bright and Palmdale. He oversaw rectangle light moving the engineering, fast.” construction/manufacturing Valley Center and Pauma and testing of the Valley has a history Predator, Global Hawk of UFO sightings, with and VTUAV Fire Scout the first of the famous (helicopter) in conjunction “UFOologists,” George with a Contract Administrator Adamski, having been and Quality based on Palomar Mountain Assurance staff. and in Valley Center He told The Roadrunner, in the late 1940s and early “I only used the 1950s. During World word Drone to let those War II Adamski was an people that doubt my air raid warden, keeping story and call what I his eyes trained on the saw a Drone know that skies looking for enemy I know the difference aircraft! between a Drone and a Adamski was credited UFO. Those that have by many with giving heard my story are split birth to the UFO phenomena fifty fifty over calling it in the late 1940s. truth or fiction. Of note He claimed that he encountered this Saturday evening aliens from we have confirmation Mars, Saturn and Venus. from friends that saw He had a large group of the UFO and helicopters disciples and maintained also. They live in the a “commune” on Valley Miller road area.” Center Road. He also had a cafe on Palomar Mountain called Palomar Gardens, which exists today as Oak Knoll Campground. The story goes that George Adamski used to take groups of disciples at night up to a spot on Palomar Mountain where you could see the valley floor for miles and miles.

a reply to: Baddogma
Either that, or a really really bad job of editing.
On the other hand, I've seen posts on ATS that are not that different.

a reply to: Baddogma

Had that exact thing copied and ready to paste !

George Adamski ?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Erno86

Some U.S. military personnel are trained too determine speed, altitude and approximate size of aerial objects by eyewitness observation

No. Human senses are not capable of doing that. If you know the size of an object you can make an educated guess at its distance, and vice versa. But without knowing one, you can't get the other.

due to him being a military drone expert.

As he states:

The pilots sit in actual cockpits in front of TV screens. The TV screens are their windows to the world around them.

So, how does that make one qualified to judge the size and distance of a light in the sky?

I'll just have to disagree with "without knowing one, you can't get the other." A trained person [that is educated in dealing with estimates of size, speed and altitude of unknown aerial objects] can give you ball park estimates of size, speed an altitude due too angle vectors and eyewitness tracking of unknown objects in our atmosphere --- Plus or minus estimates --- But definitely in the ballpark.
I wish I could give you a quote from a military expert that would justify my claim (I heard such a quote from a U.S. military general several months ago on T.V.), but I'll have to search for it on the web.

Mr. MacPherson claims he is a retired drone project manager...so he is definitely more educated in military drone tracking, than a typical military drone pilot.

a reply to: Erno86

A trained person [that is educated in dealing with estimates of size, speed and altitude of unknown aerial objects] can give you ball park estimates of size, speed an altitude due too angle vectors and eyewitness tracking of unknown objects in our atmosphere --- Plus or minus estimates --- But definitely in the ballpark.

No. No person can judge the size or distance of a light in the sky without some other point of reference.

Mr. MacPherson claims he is a retired drone project manager...so he is definitely more educated in military drone tracking, than a typical military drone pilot.

Perhaps, but you assume that means he is trained as an aerial observer. Drones are not generally tracked visually. But again, if you are familiar with a particular drone and can see it, you can guess at its distance from you. But if all you see is a light in the sky, you can't.

Something similar discussed here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thoughts? Well it sounds like a ufo orb was having fun and playing chase me with the people who control the sky 😀

Green is quite rare for these orbs, sounds like it was traveling alone too which again is quite unusual but there may have been more just not noticed by humans at that time. Would be interesting to see if the green type Ufo orb was was traveling close to an Earth energy line

originally posted by: Caver78
Something similar discussed here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No.
Not really similar.

a reply to: Phage

One point of reference would be the horizon and the vertical angle of the object --- With your fist extended...10 vertical degrees with each fist length from the horizon. If you see the aerial object on the far horizon, and have it approach overhead, along with other references of helicopters that were possibly chasing the unknown light. Cloud cover altitude can also help determine the height of the unknown --- like whether the object disappears behind the cloud cover, or is dimmed by it in relation to the observer.

In relation too Green Fireballs...you can check out the book titled [GOOGLE IT] - The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, by Edward J. Rupplet, who was chief of the United States Air Force's Project Blue Book, Chapter 4, page 47 --- Green Fireballs, Project Twinkle. Little Light's and Grudge.


Link:

www.nicap.org...

He told The Roadrunner, in the late 1940s and early “I only used the 1950s. During World word Drone to let those War II Adamski was an people that doubt my air raid warden, keeping story and call what I his eyes trained on the saw a Drone know that skies looking for enemy I know the difference aircraft! between a Drone and a Adamski was credited UFO. Those that have by many with giving heard my story are split birth to the UFO phenomena fifty fifty over calling it in the late 1940s. truth or fiction. Of note He claimed that he encountered this Saturday evening aliens from we have confirmation Mars, Saturn and Venus. from friends that saw He had a large group of the UFO and helicopters disciples and maintained also. They live in the a “commune” on Valley Miller road area.” Center Road. He also had a cafe on Palomar Mountain called Palomar Gardens, which exists today as Oak Knoll Campground.

Uhhh... what?

a reply to: Erno86

One point of reference would be the horizon and the vertical angle of the object --- With your fist extended...10 vertical degrees with each fist length from the horizon

Yes. But that does not tell you how far away anything is. A few weeks ago I saw both the Moon and Venus about 20º above the horizon (it was really pretty). That told me nothing about how far either one was. If I didn't know better, I could have assumed they were the same distance from me and that the Moon is much larger than Venus. But that doesn't seem to have much to do with this incident.

If you see the aerial object on the far horizon, and have it approach overhead, along with other references of helicopters that were possibly chasing the unknown light.

I've seen the ISS move from the far horizon to overhead. The only way I know how far away it was is that I know it was the ISS and I know how high its orbit is. But that doesn't seem to have much to do with this incident.

Cloud cover altitude can also help determine the height of the unknown --- like whether the object disappears behind the cloud cover, or is dimmed by it in relation to the observer.

Yes. That would be a valid point of reference. It could tell you that an object is lower than the clouds or above the clouds. But it will not tell you how much lower or how much higher. Unless, of course, it can be seen to enter the clouds. But that doesn't seem to have much to do with this incident.

a reply to: draknoir2

That page is screwy.

Here's the original article:
www.valleycenter.com...