U.S. Carrier Harry S. Truman Has Close Call With Iranian Rockets

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

When did the US launch cruise missiles over Iranian territory?


This also might be Iran / IRG trying to sink the nuke deal by forcing a US response so Iran can back out of the deal while trying to blame the US.

In the late 80's, during Operation's Earnest Will and Praying Mantiss, Iran at the time closed the gulf and was mining it and the US Navy was escorting foreign oil tankers after temporarily re-christening them as US merchant marines (giving us the authority to convoy them through the gulf). We attacked Iran several times in that time period. I'm also pretty sure during MIGCAP in Operation Desert Storm resulted in sorties flown into Iran to destroy Iraqi jets along the border, we were definitely right on their border.

The point is, Iran has had to deal with a heavy US military presence immediately along their border, and both sides try to provoke one another. I felt when I was there that the US wanted to invite such provocation, in order to get them into a war they couldn't win. When the Navy was actually concerned about carrier safety they kept them out of the gulf and strait of Hormuz, as the carrier still had the range to operate from the gulf of Oman, letting only the picket ships into the Persian gulf. Just google USS Stark, USS Sims, USS Samuel B. Roberts

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

YES they are invincible or it would have already been DONE before.
THAT is what tactics are for, as well as submarines satellites and the REST of the US military should someone try to do so.
You people have NO idea what is under our belts ...neither do we.
Lately I'm beginning to wonder if all the secrecy MIGHT be to protect US from the District of Columbia.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

My god are you really that desperate to try and prove your claim that you will take incidents where armed hostilities between the US and Iran are occurring and try to argue the US should have warned Iran before we attacked in response to Iranian military aggression? Ironically enough US forces did give warnings to Iranian targets before attacking.. Ironic you missed that part.

Please join the rest of us in the real world. When 2 countries are engaged in a shooting match neither side is required to seek approval before engaging forces or violation territorial sea or airspace.

So to sum it up your claim about the US not seeking Iranian approval to fire cruise missiles at Iranian targets is because the 2 countries were engaged in military actions against each other. Iran should not have violated international law by mining maritime sea lanes to attack shipping and foreign military vessels.

Why are you guys incapable of the truth and instead try to lie in hopes no one calls you out? That is a move worthy of the Russian government.


If you cant engage the topic without resorting to lies / omissions maybe you shouldn't join the conversation.

a reply to: pavil

Oh, absolutely. It's where I'd attack, were I idiotic enough to think going to war with the world preeminent military power was a good thing to do... It's a natural choke point.

Closing that strait would bring the entirety of the world down on their heads, though... I don't think they're that stupidly suicidal.

But who knows what the Revolutionary Guard are thinking from moment to moment...? I certainly don't.

a reply to: Xcathdra

No, the reality is that we don't need daily propaganda like yours to demonize Iran or Russia at every turn.

If the US Navy felt any concern at all about being 'attacked' by Iran, they would leave their carrier well outside the straits. I pointed out from those examples above that the Navy does not need it's carriers to enter the Persian Gulf or even the straits to conduct it's combat missions.

If you actually read the articles, Iran DID inform the US about it's rocket launch, and they were away from the carrier. Do not forget that Iran is as of right now engaged in combat missions of its own targeting ISIS - and doing a MUCH BETTER job of eliminating them than Nato or the US. When I posted the above incidents it was to highlight that these types of "provocations," if you want to call them that, were common-place - we did the same to them, and we did the same to Russian ships, and they try the same on us. Making this into something more is just politics. Now by all means revert to your usual doom and gloom hysterics over Iran and/or Russia.

a reply to: seagull

Except they did do that once before, it's what we went to war over back in '88.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Yes, I well remember the Tanker War.

I had friends and family involved.

On both sides, now that I think about it...

Small place, the world.

a reply to: matafuchs

Didn't hear about this till your thread; have had the tv off for the holidays. Wow....

Sees like either a deliberate provocation, or perhaps even an actual attempt to hit the ship. Either way, they are pushing for war.

Shame Reagan didn't follow through even after the hostages were released.....

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

and yet ive sourced my info..

you haven't.

No sources while making wildly inaccurate accusations / outright lies is in fact propaganda... by you, not me. Unless you can show me a source talking about the US violating Iranian airspace with cruise missiles, as you claimed, while the 2 sides AREN'T engaged in hostilities.

If you bothered to read posts instead of making things up you would have noticed my post here - Page 2 this thread

originally posted by: Xcathdra

Actually there was communication although in only 1 direction. Iran announced over maritime radio channels it was conducting live fire drills. Even though they were close there werent in the direction of the military or commercial vessels.

I dont think Iran is stupid enough to launch missiles in the direction of military vessels.

You need to focus instead of changing your argument each time you're proven wrong.

Ironic you accuse me being one tracked while you are doing the very thing you wrongly accuse me of.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

I don't have the facts regarding whether they were trying to provoke us, or we were trying to provoke them.

Correct.
And yet, you said this:

I'll just so that yes, the Iranians are being dicks and deliberately provoking us

Only 23 seconds warning was given before the weapons were fired, according to U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kyle Raines, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command.

There may be 'warning' there will be a live fire exercise but why would you do it even close to an international shipping lane unless you wanted to push some buttons?

Seems that whether it is in the Strait, off the coast of California, or Alaska or subs off the East Coast or spy ships in Cuba. These countries are testing our response. Not sure what would happen with the current POTUS in a SHTF scenario even if it was a mistake.

WAIT - - Isn't the Straight of Hormuz off Iran's coast [Persian Gulf]?

Shouldn't this read:

"US warship sails too close to Iranian Missile test - UN to implement sanctions against the US for dangerous and provocative ship navigation"

a reply to: SurrenderingIsBack

They were in international waters so no to your change.

Basically this is the United States crying around that they were near an Iranian test firing off Iran's coast in International waters?

Another example of utter cheapness of US propaganda and utter laziness of US propagandists.

Got it, thanks








[edit] At least American MSM was able to spell "Straight of Hormuz" correctly - - it's a start.

a reply to: SurrenderingIsBack

No it was an intentional act by Iran to piss off the US by holding reckless missile tests at a 5 minute notice in international waters, which contained civilian vessels as well.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: SurrenderingIsBack

No it was an intentional act by Iran to piss off the US by holding reckless missile tests at a 5 minute notice in international waters, which contained civilian vessels as well.

Right beside an oil taker passing between the Carrier and the Missile boats I might add. The Iranians are just plain stupid , one day they will see a pretty white flash and the Iranian problem will be gone.

The United States military made the rare announcement Thursday that it had flown two of its most advanced bombers in an "extended deterrence mission" all the way from Missouri to the Korean Peninsula, where they dropped inert dummy bombs, in a move clearly aimed at warning North Korea against further provocations.

The US doesn't get to be the only game player. Isn't it basically no harm, no foul in the game of intimidation.

On the flip side there was that minor "incident" where a US ship in Iranian water shot down an Iranian Air passenger plane.

a reply to: seagull

Closing that strait would bring the entirety of the world down on their heads, though... I don't think they're that stupidly suicidal. But who knows what the Revolutionary Guard are thinking from moment to moment...? I certainly don't.

Not really cause they would have Russia firmly in their back pocket protecting them or at least trying to unless they did something really stupid even Russia could not side with them on. Russia would supply the shortage while trying to stop NATO and others from beating them into the sands of history.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Yup, on the flip side there was * TWO U.S. Navy boats with crew intercepted in Iranian territory. . .

Here's some reference:

Iran releases 10 US sailors detained over territorial waters breach (PHOTOS)

LoL - try harder