UFO's= Master of the Air

UFO's have been getting alot of attention the past century. Many people believe aliens do exist and have been around before our time. Many others believe that roswell and other UFO's sightings and abductions are just downright hoaxes. Yet we cannot deny the impact it has had in our society for both good and bad. Many cults and religions have arisen this century, many movies made about aliens not from this world, and many fears and suspicions about these strangers of outerworlds have arisen. Many have their theories and answers about UFO's and intelligent beings from other planets. I as for me I am a Christian so i do not believe in ghosts nor aliens.
Yet as a Christian I live my faith and go by with my bible is which is the word of God for me. According to my faith, all this stuff about ghosts and UFO's can be trace to one source. Lucifer, known as the light of the morning and father of all lies. He is only interested in one thing which is in the fall of humanity. Satan has his followers of fallen angels also know as demons. According to the bible these demons are very powerful. Demons work to weaken man in anyway possible. Whether it be through temptation of sin, deception, fears, or grief. Satan is one entity which his sole purpose is to decieve all nations.Satan has great powers which one is that he is master of the air.�the prince of the power of the air� (Eph. 2:2)
"It is stated in the Word that the enemy will work through his agents
who have departed from the faith, and they will seemingly work miracles, even o the bringing down of fire out of heaven in the sight of men" (2SM 54).
"We must not trust the claims of men. They may, as Christ represents,
profess to work miracles in healing the sick. Is this marvelous, when just
behind them stands the great deceiver, the miracle worker who will yet bring
down fire from heaven in the sight of men?" (ibid. 49).
"I saw that soon it would be considered blasphemy to speak against the
rapping, and that it would spread more and more, that Satan's power would
increase and some of his devoted followers would have power to work miracles
and even to bring down fire from heaven in the sight of men" (EW 59 [EW 86, 87]).
"Servants of God, with their faces lighted up and shining with holy
consecration, will hasten from place to place to proclaim the message from
heaven. By thousands of voices, all over the earth, the warning will be
given. Miracles will be wrought, the sick will be healed, and signs and
wonders will follow the believers. Satan also works with lying wonders,
even bringing down fire from heaven in the sight of men (Rev. 13: 13). Thus
the inhabitants of the earth will be brought to take their stand" (GC 612).
"It is the lying wonders of the devil that will take the world captive,
and he will cause fire to come down from heaven in the sight of men. He is
to work miracles; and this wonderful, miracle-working power is to sweep in
the whole world" (2SM 51).
"He claims to be Christ, and he is coming in, pretending to be the great
medical missionary. He will cause fire to come down from heaven in the sight
of men, to prove that he is God" (MM 87, 88).

Satan decieves the whole through lies. So these so called UFO's are just one way sway to poeple's faith from GOD and Christ


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Here's one for ya:

"Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha." -- II Kings 6:18

That's the same god that wants us to see the truth? No thanks. Keep him. I for one would rather not put on a pedestal anyone that would feel like doing the following to me:

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces." -- Malachi 2:3

This is not the religion forum.

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Hi,

I have been a commited Christian for 16 years now and I went to a Baptist church etc.

But on August 21st 2002, I went into Groom Lake or Area 51 with my Wife and her relative that worked there.

I or should I say we all saw Extra terrestrial craft there (only one I might add) so I don't care what anybody says now, they do exist. The proof and truth is out there.

It did challenge my faith greatly at the time and when you think about it, the Devil wouldn't have the technology to produce these craft to 'trick' humanity or other Christians would he!

Check out this link which shows how the world will know very soon!

www.indiadaily.com...

Minkey: Describe these extra-terrestrial craft and in what sections of the facility that you witnessed them (among other details that you'd care to splice in as well)?

Also, as can be read in at least two threads (at the time of my typing, probably more now) on the main page of this forum, India Daily is not a very reputable source for news.

But hey, if they're right, awesome.

I was in Vegas the day after we got married, met up with my Wife's cousin and her husband who both work there (something to do with weapons systems).

I said that I wanted to see the place whilst we were there and she said if we were going to go there, we might as well go in etc.

I thought she was joking but she drove us into the place (not the entrance seen in the usual photos) in her 4x4, showed 2 army dressed troops an ID of some sort and we were in!

We were only there for about 3 hours but the craft we saw was pear shaped and a dull grey colour. It was on the main part of the base and had some guys in white overalls near to it holding clip boards. It was out in the open and resting on the ground! Hope that helps?

She said that they had recovered it in 1989 and that she had been passed on some interesting details from the craft which helped her with her work.

We spent the evening with them both and stopped at a lovely place called Wendy's which has great burgers and we don't have them here in the UK.

She has invited us out there again this May and promises to tell us more.

They must be high up because her husband was just promoted and last time she got a promotion, the whole family (including me) was checked out by the CIA (my boss was furious with the phone calls here in the UK).

So I am absolutely dying to find out more now it's got me a little bit interested and when my wife spoke to her last Sunday, she tried to talk her out of telling us anything else as we are Christians but I really want to know more so we had a little argument etc.

I'll keep you posted.

aren't those that work there sworn to some kind of secrecy?

if you head back, do bring a camera.

also, if you found Wendy's to be a great burger place, you need to eat out more.

Thanks for bringing us your story minkey
Concerning the craft recovered in 1989, that reminds me the ufo crash which occured in Kalahari desert (South Africa) the same year

Hi

We ONLY have MacDonalds and Burger King here in the UK so to be able to get a Triple Burger at Wendy's was a real treat and it was about 4 times cheaper in the US!

I wasn't aware of a crash in South America. Did you mean ET crash and where did you hear about this? Was any kind of description given that matches the one we all saw etc.?

I have just bought a keyring sized digital camera for the very purpose mentioned ( just in case )

Yes, a ufo crash occured in Kalahari desert, South Africa, in 1989. Maybe it is the ufo you saw .

Here is a few links about the incident :
Link 1
Link 2
Try also "kalahari ufo crash" in google.

Some people think this crash is a hoax, because some documents have been confessed faked, but personaly i think there is still some truth behind this, and this "fake documents" matter has just been made to add confusion and blur things. Classic tactics.

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doh, now they know, now you will take the pic and they will gun you down, they wont let you take a pic, not happening, the only way that we will ever see inside area 51 is if,

A. the confess and show everyone everything
B. We all grab guns and stuff and take them down, kill everyone of the people at area 51 and show the world oursleves.

and those arnt happening.

But good luck though.

Originally posted by Crakeur

also, if you found Wendy's to be a great burger place, you need to eat out more.

No need to attack him, he was just stating that we don't have Wendy's here in the UK and made a nice change. One thing that pisses me off is when people attack someone without provacation, usually shows some kind of problem with that person that deems it necessary for them to take it out on others. Maybe next time you can 'crakeur' a better joke

To the person who said something along the lines of "you'd have to run into there, and kill everyone who works there". Why would you do that? Kill people who've done nothing wrong lol.

It just seems to good to be true that sentries would let two strangers into the base, even though they're accompanied by people with the proper clearance. Just seems a bit lax to me. Don't mean to be rude but you can understand why someone like me would find it hard.

It's kinda of odd that there allegedly seems to be a lot of crashed E.T spacecraft in recent times, unless they were shot down?

Anyway E.T wouldn't try anything, unless he wants to face this....

According to my faith, all this stuff about ghosts and UFO's can be trace to one source. Lucifer, known as the light of the morning and father of all lies.

Well then, at least you can rest easy that old Lucifer seems to be taking his time then, as such craft have been spotted for hundreds of years, hehe.... Nice to know that many will automatically assume that other life in the universe must be demons... Whoa! Hear that thunder outside? Surely the gods are angry! Same kind of primitive ideas at play there....

I wasn't going to address minkey's story really, but as I've grown up around such places, I do find it a bit incredulous, for more than a few reasons. For one, according to all sources we've ever seen on this (and just plain common sense), tests of these craft have happened either late at night or early morning under cover of darkness, and even then, away from the base proper. Also, civilians (especially non-citizens) are usually not permitted on such facilities, even on some military bases in general, even if escorted by one who does have clearance, as the civillian has not signed security agreements, and does not have the clearance. Likewise, the security procedures for witnessing something like this must be intense. An example, even though my father works on the Raptor every day at work, he needs to put that eyeball to the scanner, and then a few other procedures, etc. Now that's just for an ACKNOWLEDGED project. Can you imagine what one would need to go through to witness alien craft?

Not to discredit your story, but I did want to address those points.

Crakeur, have you ever been to the UK? Once eating there, you'll think Wendy's is the food of the gods! (kidding)

^^

Can't beat British food

Originally posted by Flyboy211
^^

Can't beat British food

Sure you can.






Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Welsh Lamb



I don't think so Charlie

What has food got to do with UFO's? lol

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Back on track....

"It is stated in the Word that the enemy will work through his agents who have departed from the faith, and they will seemingly work miracles, even o the bringing down of fire out of heaven in the sight of men" (2SM 54).

So don't trust priests...got it.

"We must not trust the claims of men. They may, as Christ represents, profess to work miracles in healing the sick. Is this marvelous, when just behind them stands the great deceiver, the miracle worker who will yet bring down fire from heaven in the sight of men?" (ibid. 49).

So don't trust televangelists...got it.

"I saw that soon it would be considered blasphemy to speak against the rapping, and that it would spread more and more, that Satan's power would increase and some of his devoted followers would have power to work miracles and even to bring down fire from heaven in the sight of men" (EW 59 [EW 86, 87]).

The Lord is a rap fan, got it, so don't trust those who bash rappers, even if they can make fire rain down...got it.

"Servants of God, with their faces lighted up and shining with holy
consecration, will hasten from place to place to proclaim the message from
heaven. By thousands of voices, all over the earth, the warning will be
given. Miracles will be wrought, the sick will be healed, and signs and
wonders will follow the believers. Satan also works with lying wonders,
even bringing down fire from heaven in the sight of men (Rev. 13: 13).

So, the REAL agents of the Lord will also be healing people left and right, but you'll know them as REM fans, for they will be "Shiny Happy People", but again, watch out for those fire bringers...got it!

Thus the inhabitants of the earth will be brought to take their stand" (GC 612).

Uhmm...yeah...

"It is the lying wonders of the devil that will take the world captive,
and he will cause fire to come down from heaven in the sight of men. He is
to work miracles; and this wonderful, miracle-working power is to sweep in
the whole world" (2SM 51).

Wow, even THEY think Satan is wonderful! Again though, watch out for those damn fire rainers...!!!

"He claims to be Christ, and he is coming in, pretending to be the great medical missionary. He will cause fire to come down from heaven in the sight of men, to prove that he is God" (MM 87, 88).

Again with the fire raining? Apparently, in the ancient world, all that was required to prove godhood, was to rain down a little fire. Nowadays, we call these guys pyrotechnicians....

You see how easy it is to warp scripture to pretty much anything you want it to say? And yet people continue to believe in this book...

I found it interesting to read what you had to say about security at certain bases.

Unfortunately I don't know what my wife's relatives security clearance is but I can ask her. She may not tell me but has been there for quite some years now which is where she met her husband.

I didn't know much at all about Area 51 before I went there. I was more interested and still am interested at what aircraft they had there as my all time favourite since I was very little has been the SR71 Blackbird.

I have never seen one in real life and was kind of hoping to get a glimpse of one. Unfortunately I didn't, only some MIG's and some F15's with helicopters parked up (apart from the wierd Pear Shaped Craft we saw).

I have since contacted the Stanton Friedman guy who has emailed me back a few times and I have offered to meet up with him when we next go back to Canada (my wife is from Ontario) and if neccessary take a lie detector test in front of him.

I didn't at the time realise the extent of what we all saw but know realise how lucky I am etc. Since then and more recently, I have been reading about the Disclosure Project as I think people should know that they have these fancy technologies out there. My Wife's Cousin's Husband even joked that they has a hand-held device that could cure any sort of Cancer. He made out he was joking but I thought afterwards, why would he just come out and say something like that.

Ask me anything you like, I didn't sign anything to say I would keep my mouth shut so I don't care who I tell if you know what I mean!

Anyway, I live in England and they are a long way from here, I seriously doubt I'll get a knock on the front door from the security guys from Nevada?

I try to keep an open mind, but this story is simply not logical or believable....so she shows her ID and two other people without ID get in ?

I'm not buying it for one second !!!!!! That doesn't work in NYC when you go to corporate offices !!!!!!!

minkey, you're story is missing one important thing, specific details. and to think you just walked up to a ufo and the guys in suits with clipboards (oh, please, talk about sci-fi cliche) just went about their work ?

good one


you mention we can ask you anything we like.....

ok, I'll start with this, can you post stanton freidmans e-mail responses to you or whatever is ethical/acceptable to verify your communications with him ? That proves nothing, but its a start

Well, if you're sincere...then I'd ask how big the craft was? I can think of a certain test plane that you may have seen....if it had wings, a tail, etc. Can you give us some more detail...

The SR-71 is quite impressive in person, and you'd never forget it, trust me on that one, hehe....

I doubt the craft you saw was ET in nature, as it was likely a drone or the plane I'm thinking of...

To be honest, I've e-mailed Stan and received responses, he's quite cool about it....

The craft we ALL saw was probably about 20 feet high and about 40 ish feet long. I say probably as I didn't have a tape measure with me lolol (sorry getting sarcastic now).

It was like a Pear shape lying down and was about 100 feet away from us, a dullish grey colour. No windows, wings, tailplace, wheels!

My relative did say that they HAD reverse engineered it so I can only ASSUME it wasn't their's to start with. I didn't take notes or too much notice of things whilst I was there as it was bloody boiling hot (compared to the UK) and as I said before, I was initially only interested in seeing aircraft, nothing else. I didn't know at the time that they would have anything else there!

We were also being ushered along past it so didn't get much of a chance to just stand there and stare for 10 minutes if you know what I mean.

How do you find Stanton, what do you think of him? He seems interested to see me after all the things we have spoken about, descriptions of inside the base etc. He claims that it sounded truthful from his background whatever that meant but he didn't say HE has been there!

I found out today whilst at work that they have an SR-71 at Duxford museum, near to Cambridge here in the UK. So guess where I am going soon?